Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[cetm-419]

You don't need to do anything. spironolactone is a really weak AA and 100mg of it will barely do anything to your male levels of T so there's zero risk of developing osteoporosis from taking it alone.

I'm going to supplement just in case.. osteoporosis is a nightmare

 

[cetm-419]

Spironolactone is a waste. It won’t cause much sides but it also won’t help hair very much.

I have a mild decrease in density, I'm using 20mg of oral minoxidil, and I was going to use 50mg of spironolactone to counter OM sides. So I might as well use 100 (150max) to help some more..

 

[Mr. Slap Head]

I have a mild decrease in density, I'm using 20mg of oral minoxidil, and I was going to use 50mg of spironolactone to counter OM sides. So I might as well use 100 (150max) to help some more..

I see. I just wouldn't expect much.

 

[MylovelyHair]

i think spironolactone is pretty decent if you pair it with E2 and 5ar inhibitors

 

[cetm-419]

i think spironolactone is pretty decent if you pair it with E2 and 5ar inhibitors

I take finasteride as well. I would increase my dose of spironolactone before E2, and as a last resource I'd use e2 in very low doses. I don't have enough hairloss to sacrifice my chest.

 

[MylovelyHair]

I take finasteride as well. I would increase my dose of spironolactone before E2, and as a last resource I'd use e2 in very low doses. I don't have enough hairloss to sacrifice my chest.

That is what i am doing but i am on bicalutamide,dutasteride minoxidil and i will add oral minoxidil aswell !

 

[subsidence82]

Nuclear option displayed in this entire thread. Taking female hormones to combat male pattern hair loss is beyond incomprehensible for 99% of men. Imagine weighing the options between losing 60% of your male body for a female one and gaining 20-40% of your hair back, absolute madness, boarder line mental illness. Anyhow, good luck to the men who pursue this avenue.

 

[cetm-419]

Nuclear option displayed in this entire thread. Taking female hormones to combat male pattern hair loss is beyond incomprehensible for 99% of men. Imagine weighing the options between losing 60% of your male body for a female one and gaining 20-40% of your hair back, absolute madness, boarder line mental illness. Anyhow, good luck to the men who pursue this avenue.

not that I agree with using estrogen to regrow hair (I personally think it's not worth it), but I think that it's a personal decision. Hairloss affects people in very different ways, some of us could in the worst case live with it, some can't.

 

[Mr. Slap Head]

not that I agree with using estrogen to regrow hair (I personally think it's not worth it), but I think that it's a personal decision. Hairloss affects people in very different ways, some of us could in the worst case live with it, some can't.

I think he is just warning people because there are many potential Janeys out there and HRT can light that fuse

 

[cetm-419]

I think he is just warning people because there are many potential Janeys out there and HRT can light that fuse

I agree. people who don't want to transition should stay away from estrogen.

 

[John Difool]

I would put my money on spironolactone+E2 vs Bica+E2 if I had to pick up between the two. spironolactone may be a weak AA but when it comes to hair, it's a proven way as long as Estrogen is involved. spironolactone mono, not so much. For reference, most cases published in serious studies (not anecdotal pictures) demonstrate this.

 

[John Difool]

That is what i am doing but i am on bicalutamide,dutasteride minoxidil and i will add oral minoxidil aswell !

Before going with minoxidil, try adding eplerenone as an MR inhibitor in conjonction with bica. If you add minoxidil later, keep eplerenone as a diuretics.

 

[John Difool]

I agree. people who don't want to transition should stay away from estrogen.

You forgot to add "at hrt dosage". There is a wave of experiments using E2 microdosing that seem to aim at demonstrating the efficacy of estrogen low dose.

 

[John Difool]

I take finasteride as well. I would increase my dose of spironolactone before E2, and as a last resource I'd use e2 in very low doses. I don't have enough hairloss to sacrifice my chest.

Why? Spironolactone induces gynecomastia by decreasing testosterone production so you are advocating getting more stress on the kidneys than using a natural estrogen which will both induce gyno? I fail to follow your broscience logic here.

 

[John Difool]

I see. I just wouldn't expect much.

Beside getting a heart failure! 20mg of OM is completely nuts. Just try climbing one floor using the stairs at that dosage but first, call an ambulance to pick you up on your way.

 

[John Difool]

This thread has become worse than what we can read on reddit with all the newcomers who don't know jack about what they are talking about (reading wikipedia doesn't count.) Good luck people.

 

[MylovelyHair]

I would put my money on spironolactone+E2 vs Bica+E2 if I had to pick up between the two. spironolactone may be a weak AA but when it comes to hair, it's a proven way as long as Estrogen is involved. spironolactone mono, not so much. For reference, most cases published in serious studies (not anecdotal pictures) demonstrate this.

Does spironolactone both reduces testosterone production and competes for Androgen receptors??

 

[cetm-419]

Why? Spironolactone induces gynecomastia by decreasing testosterone production so you are advocating getting more stress on the kidneys than using a natural estrogen which will both induce gyno? I fail to follow your broscience logic here.

there is a study on gyno with spironolactone, with 100mg there is 11% chance of developing really mild gyno (mainly puffy nipples), with 200mg it increases to 50%.

I'd increase my dose to 150 before adding e2 (low dose, and probably EOD). I think of it as baby steps.

 

[cetm-419]

Beside getting a heart failure! 20mg of OM is completely nuts. Just try climbing one floor using the stairs at that dosage but first, call an ambulance to pick you up on your way.

i was very careful when increasing my dose, and I'm not getting any sides at 20mg... I was getting some water retention but that went away with spironolactone. I started this high dose around September, and i'm getting incredible results, I only plan to be on 20 mg for another 4-5 months.

 

[cetm-419]

the last picture was around September, I'd been using 5-15mg for 5 months. My hair is thicker now, but i stopped taking pictures. OM has different effects on people, some get tachycardia at 5mg, some of us tolerate it very well.