Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[nWo Wolfpac]

Consider a surgery man. It looks like female boobs.

I will if the Raloxifene doesn't work well enough. Right now though it's looking a little better everyday. I will update photos a week or 2 from now. And if the ralox doesn't work than I will try letrizole. If letrizole doesn't work than I will start saving money for surgery. I seem to be a good responder so I'm cautiously optimistic that I wont need surgery.

@nWo Wolfpac ; I have been on 400 mg spironolactone since the last 6 months. I am noticing that my butts are looking bigger nowadays. Is it possible that spironolactone alone can do this? I am not taking any E.

Yes taking spironolactone alone can raise your estrogen levels high enough to cause body fat redistribution. I'm not surprised that you would have these effects at such a high dose.

 

[Aki]

Man, you are a student of medical science. If hair loss was bothering you so much, you could have consulted a Psychiatrist. All you needed was CBT therapy or some Xanax. Remember that; every bald man gets a woman life partner, and they conceive kids. Balding at a young age can be traumatic and can limit your option of having a girlfriend. But in the end, every man gets settled with a woman regardless of whether they had hair in their teenage or not. Hair loss has a negligible effect on our life in the long term.

I don't really see why having a high libido, penile erection, or balls is such a big deal. The function of testosterone is too make men lose their hair in the place it belongs, and apparently give us high sex drive because thats all that people on this forum b**ch about. The fact men's confidence is apparently derived from what between their legs rather than what on top of their heads is idiotic too me. If you feel this way then Im not judging you, but for you to convince others to see it in this light is wrong. Having hair gives you more confidence, changes how people perceive you better, and makes you more attractive and successful. Having a functioning dick and balls just makes you more likely to think about sex, which arguably does nothing for you; and you can always bank you're sperm so its not like you've lost the ability to reproduce. I don't really consider it much of a sacrifice, but honestly why would you rather have a disgusting nutsack than a head full of hair.
I think it would be better if people who want to self medicate to stop hair loss, to be more aware of the side effects of anti androgens and estradiol. As Sonolmn said taking anti androgen long term is unhealthy, and is better just to get castrated. The research on how estrogen impacts males is limited, because in general studies done on transgenderism are very few. Blood clotting is increased, maybe cardiovascular and cancer risk, kidney/liver disease, osteoporosis, etc; im not sure trans resources are difficult to find. All things should be considered though since estradiol is still a drug and isn't meant to regulate a male's body.

 

[DHTcel]

I was using bicalutamide for a few days but stopped, I'm gonna try to get an appointment for gyno surgery before I use bicalutamide again. I ordered cyproterone acetate(cpa) because the gyno rate is only 18%. testosterone feel free to do as much damage to my hair as you desire for the next 2 weeks (when I get the cpa) because soon you will be no more .

 

[Ikarus]

I was using bicalutamide for a few days but stopped, I'm gonna try to get an appointment for gyno surgery before I use bicalutamide again. I ordered cyproterone acetate(cpa) because the gyno rate is only 18%. testosterone feel free to do as much damage to my hair as you desire for the next 2 weeks (when I get the cpa) because soon you will be no more .

I will be switching to CPA too. I have noticed that spironolactone has been making me lightheaded more often than usual.

 

[LEXUS]

for the time while I was gone I tried a lot of different modes. for me the best mode is this. 12.5 mg CPA, 1.5 mg avodart, top minoxidil 5%, 4 mg estradiol oral, estrogel on hair (leaving a lot). Avodart enhances CPA well. CPA without avodart is rather weak. and most importantly, don't be afraid for gyno. more than 0.5 or 1 size will not grow. it is not much at all. My advice is not to use things like raloxifene and others. they slow down hair growth. raloxifene only prevents hair from growing normally. big breasts you never grow on our mode. do not be afraid. for me 0.5 size can be confused with a pumped chest.

 

[Ikarus]

for the time while I was gone I tried a lot of different modes. for me the best mode is this. 12.5 mg CPA, 1.5 mg avodart, top minoxidil 5%, 4 mg estradiol oral, estrogel on hair (leaving a lot). Avodart enhances CPA well. CPA without avodart is rather weak. and most importantly, don't be afraid for gyno. more than 0.5 or 1 size will not grow. it is not much at all. My advice is not to use things like raloxifene and others. they slow down hair growth. raloxifene only prevents hair from growing normally. big breasts you never grow on our mode. do not be afraid. for me 0.5 size can be confused with a pumped chest.

Did your penis shrink?

 

[Sonolmn98]

I don't really see why having a high libido, penile erection, or balls is such a big deal. The function of testosterone is too make men lose their hair in the place it belongs, and apparently give us high sex drive because thats all that people on this forum b**ch about. The fact men's confidence is apparently derived from what between their legs rather than what on top of their heads is idiotic too me. If you feel this way then Im not judging you, but for you to convince others to see it in this light is wrong. Having hair gives you more confidence, changes how people perceive you better, and makes you more attractive and successful. Having a functioning dick and balls just makes you more likely to think about sex, which arguably does nothing for you; and you can always bank you're sperm so its not like you've lost the ability to reproduce. I don't really consider it much of a sacrifice, but honestly why would you rather have a disgusting nutsack than a head full of hair.
I think it would be better if people who want to self medicate to stop hair loss, to be more aware of the side effects of anti androgens and estradiol. As Sonolmn said taking anti androgen long term is unhealthy, and is better just to get castrated. The research on how estrogen impacts males is limited, because in general studies done on transgenderism are very few. Blood clotting is increased, maybe cardiovascular and cancer risk, kidney/liver disease, osteoporosis, etc; im not sure trans resources are difficult to find. All things should be considered though since estradiol is still a drug and isn't meant to regulate a male's body.

You are right, long term use of estradiol will increase the risk of certain diseases and cause blood clotting, but being on no hormones after getting castrated is worse, I tried going " classic eunuch" for few months and cut My E dose, but the hot flashes and fatigue were unbearable plus my bone density went down, my initial plan was not to take E and destroy all testosterone but I take estrogen for health benefits (saving bones, increasing mental clarity and mood) and hair regrowth is a win win on estrogen, luckily estrogen doesn't fuel the sex drive, or else I would lose the beauty of being a eunuch, iam getting my E under a transgender endocrinologist supervision, and apparently it is doing more good than harm for my situation, that's why he prescribed me that

 

[Ikarus]

@itchymadscalp Do you have any photos of your hair?

 

[itchymadscalp]

@itchymadscalp Do you have any photos of your hair?

Yeah but won’t post.

 

[Ikarus]

Yeah but won’t post.

What about PM?

 

[itchymadscalp]

What about PM?

No. It’s too depressing to take pictures. If I ever regrow my hair back it would be a pleasure to do a before-after picture. Until then it’s no.

 

[nWo Wolfpac]

So I have IBD (inflammatory bowel disease) and I've noticed now that every single time I take a break from taking estrogen my IBD gets way worse. I started to wonder so I did some research and apparently estrogen can actually help control inflammation.

"Estrogen has an anti-inflammatory effect in the body. When estrogen levels decline, chronic inflammation symptoms are increased. Many patients experience a decrease in their joint pain when their hormones are balanced. ... As a result, thickening of the lining inside the joints occur, causing pain and swelling."
https://derosamedical.com/did-you-know-the-connection-between-low-estrogen-and-arthritis/

What sucks is that I finally got off of a dangerous drug prednisone last summer. I thought it was because I started using cbd oil but I also started using estrogen at the same time so now I am thinking maybe the cbd oil does nothing at all or very little and it has actually been the estrogen that was helping the whole damn time. Now I feel really conflicted. My life sucks right now. I have constant stomach pain and discomfort, I am constantly going to the bath room. I honestly feel like going back on estrogen right now just to improve my IBD. I don't know what to do, my gyno will get worse again but I'm so tired of my f*****g stomach pain all the time. I dont want to go back on prednisone because it is very dangerous long term plus it bloats the hell out of my face and makes me look like a damn chipmunk. I think I might take some e tonight. I was planning on staying off of it for much longer but i'm so tired and weak right now. I can't believe probably the only reason my disease has been getting better is the damn estrogel i've been using. I'm desperate here buy maybe there is a chance that staying on a low dose of e my gyno will never get any worse. I've read many accounts of trans women who said their breast growth stopped completely until they upped their estrogen dose considerably. So f*** I don't know. I feel like sh*t. I think I'm just gonna try going back on a smaller dose and pray my gyno never gets any worse.

If any of you guys know someone with ibd, please have a little sympathy. Sometimes when I tell people what I have they seem to brush it off like I just told them I have asthma. I don't think people realize how debilitating, depressing and isolating it can be.

Here is some more research for anyone interested.

"Growing evidence from epidemiological and experimental studies suggests a role for estrogens, particularly 17β estradiol, in IBD pathogenesis [4-14]. Estrogens have been shown to finely regulate inflammation [15] and have been implicated in the modulation of several immune-mediated diseases"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4747344/

"Symptoms of IBD fluctuate considerably over time and often flare at times of hormonal changes, such as puberty, pregnancy, and menopause,2 suggesting a potential involvement of steroid hormones such as 17β estradiol (estrogen), prolactin, and testosterone in the pathogenesis of this disease."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5924746/

 

[Father_of_Shiseido]

@nWo Wolfpac ; Bro, I am suffering from severe insomnia. Is it a side effect of spironolactone? I heard you had a similar problem.

 

[Ikarus]

@nWo Wolfpac ; Bro, I am suffering from severe insomnia. Is it a side effect of spironolactone? I heard you had a similar problem.

Probably because you're taking 400MG...

 

[Marky]

So I have IBD (inflammatory bowel disease) and I've noticed now that every single time I take a break from taking estrogen my IBD gets way worse. I started to wonder so I did some research and apparently estrogen can actually help control inflammation.

"Estrogen has an anti-inflammatory effect in the body. When estrogen levels decline, chronic inflammation symptoms are increased. Many patients experience a decrease in their joint pain when their hormones are balanced. ... As a result, thickening of the lining inside the joints occur, causing pain and swelling."
https://derosamedical.com/did-you-know-the-connection-between-low-estrogen-and-arthritis/

What sucks is that I finally got off of a dangerous drug prednisone last summer. I thought it was because I started using cbd oil but I also started using estrogen at the same time so now I am thinking maybe the cbd oil does nothing at all or very little and it has actually been the estrogen that was helping the whole damn time. Now I feel really conflicted. My life sucks right now. I have constant stomach pain and discomfort, I am constantly going to the bath room. I honestly feel like going back on estrogen right now just to improve my IBD. I don't know what to do, my gyno will get worse again but I'm so tired of my f*****g stomach pain all the time. I dont want to go back on prednisone because it is very dangerous long term plus it bloats the hell out of my face and makes me look like a damn chipmunk. I think I might take some e tonight. I was planning on staying off of it for much longer but i'm so tired and weak right now. I can't believe probably the only reason my disease has been getting better is the damn estrogel i've been using. I'm desperate here buy maybe there is a chance that staying on a low dose of e my gyno will never get any worse. I've read many accounts of trans women who said their breast growth stopped completely until they upped their estrogen dose considerably. So f*** I don't know. I feel like sh*t. I think I'm just gonna try going back on a smaller dose and pray my gyno never gets any worse.

If any of you guys know someone with ibd, please have a little sympathy. Sometimes when I tell people what I have they seem to brush it off like I just told them I have asthma. I don't think people realize how debilitating, depressing and isolating it can be.

Here is some more research for anyone interested.

"Growing evidence from epidemiological and experimental studies suggests a role for estrogens, particularly 17β estradiol, in IBD pathogenesis [4-14]. Estrogens have been shown to finely regulate inflammation [15] and have been implicated in the modulation of several immune-mediated diseases"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4747344/

"Symptoms of IBD fluctuate considerably over time and often flare at times of hormonal changes, such as puberty, pregnancy, and menopause,2 suggesting a potential involvement of steroid hormones such as 17β estradiol (estrogen), prolactin, and testosterone in the pathogenesis of this disease."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5924746/

I get bouts with IBS and here are my observations:

I can be mostly fine for months, then all the sudden out of nowhere I get hard pain for a week. For me emotions might play a big part in this when I get upset about something.

I thought I read somewhere the opposite of what you posted and that E can increase bowl disorders.

When I was in Las Vegas several months ago I only ate breakfast and dinner, no snacking in between and had no issues with my stomach, no gas no constipation. I think in general in Western society we eat too much, I find if I eat to 2/3's full, and quit always snacking in between meals my digestion is normal. This is proof stuffing ourselves is too taxing on the digestive tract - it's why fasting is important to give it a break.
Years of treating my stomach as a trash garburator finally caught up with me, and as we age things don't work as well anymore.

 

[nWo Wolfpac]

@nWo Wolfpac ; Bro, I am suffering from severe insomnia. Is it a side effect of spironolactone? I heard you had a similar problem.

Insomnia is a side effect for all anti androgens. I had it from cypro. I suggest you switch to cypro. 400 mg of spironolactone is not safe.

I get bouts with IBS and here are my observations:

I can be mostly fine for months, then all the sudden out of nowhere I get hard pain for a week. For me emotions might play a big part in this when I get upset about something.

I thought I read somewhere the opposite of what you posted and that E can increase bowl disorders.

When I was in Las Vegas several months ago I only ate breakfast and dinner, no snacking in between and had no issues with my stomach, no gas no constipation. I think in general in Western society we eat too much, I find if I eat to 2/3's full, and quit always snacking in between meals my digestion is normal. This is proof stuffing ourselves is too taxing on the digestive tract - it's why fasting is important to give it a break.
Years of treating my stomach as a trash garburator finally caught up with me, and as we age things don't work as well anymore.

Emotions have definitely been messing with me lately. My job has been stressing me out and I'm still depressed over a girl and just the feeling that my life is going nowhere. So your right I can't blame it all on meds. I need to fix my negative state of mind. I read somewhere recently that you should never say something to yourself that you wouldn't say to someone else. I know I'm too hard on myself. I bought a book recently called the power of now by Eckhart Tolle that I still haven't read but he talks about how most people create their own pain and tourture themselves with their repetitive negative thoughts. I know I have this problem and I have to work on it.

And I have found intermittent fasting helps as well. I often will go 12 to 14 hours without eating. It really works.

 

[Jonny Craig]

Hey guys (and gals)

Anyone still using bi-estrocare cream?

I am considering possibly using it again now that I'm on Oral Progesterone. Just placed on hairline, for even more of a boost.

Any success stories at all?

 

[Jonny Craig]

OK, I have spent quite some time analyzing video.

On BI-ESTRO - Center hairline better, but right side hairline had a very SMALL bad spot.

On PROGESTERONE (oral) - Right side hairline spot totally better, great. Center hairline taking a hit.

What the f***.

Now I am thinking... Progesterone (oral) + BI-ESTRO at the same time???

 

[Marky]

OK, I have spent quite some time analyzing video.

On BI-ESTRO - Center hairline better, but right side hairline had a very SMALL bad spot.

On PROGESTERONE (oral) - Right side hairline spot totally better, great. Center hairline taking a hit.

What the f***.

Now I am thinking... Progesterone (oral) + BI-ESTRO at the same time???

Ya at the beginning some spots get better some get worse. With enough time it syncs together.

I think wolfpack can attest to that

 

[DHTcel]

holy fudgeeeee I hate gyno, I swear I can't wait to get my glands removed, its insane how easy it is to get gyno. at my high school a solid 10-15% of guys probably have it from looking around. whenever my hair gets benefited, my tits ache harddddd. 1 month from now I'm gonna blast 200mg bicalutamide knowing I had the surgery and I won't get tits.