Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[bridgeburn]

I'm no expert but we're talking about estro, so that would suppress T, which would shoot back hard if you took E out, no?

depends how much you took and how atrophied the testicles are. there are different tolerances for that

Bridge what does the E products look like, sounds like there is estrogel and estrodiol - these are both in gel form to rub on scalp?

estrogel is gel. estrofem(estradiol hemihydrate) is a pill

 

[Marky]

depends how much you took and how atrophied the testicles are. there are different tolerances for that

estrogel is gel. estrofem(estradiol hemihydrate) is a pill

...so estrogel is the better one to start if you want to test the waters? Maybe a few times a week to see if there is a response and hopefully no gyno.

 

[bridgeburn]

...so estrogel is the better one to start if you want to test the waters? Maybe a few times a week to see if there is a response and hopefully no gyno.

depends how thick your skin is

 

[Marky]

depends how thick your skin is

More on the thin transparent side...I'm pretty vascular looking.

 

[Marky]

depends how thick your skin is

What did your scalp feel like when the hair was growing back with such intensity - like a volcanic explosion?

 

[hemingway_the_mercenary]

OP i dont know if you mentioned this yet, but how old were you when your hairloss started. It looked pretty aggressive to me, do you think you might have been a non responder to finasteride

 

[Umber]

I've been thinking of adding oral spironolactone to my regimen but I'm not sure what dosage to go for. Am currently using 1 mg fina/day as well as 0,5 mg duta every other day with no side effects at all. What's the risk that 25 mg spironolactone/day would cause sides? Don't really care if I get a bit lower libido as long as it doesn't completely kill my dick, it's mainly whether I get gyno or not that worries me. Also, would a dosage of only 25 mg be enough to have any positive effects? I've been seeing people doing 200 mg/day and some posts saying that less than 100 mg won't have any effect. Don't really wanna add something that doesn't necessarily help, especially if it risks causing some severe sides

 

[Ein]

I've been thinking of adding oral spironolactone to my regimen but I'm not sure what dosage to go for. Am currently using 1 mg fina/day as well as 0,5 mg duta every other day with no side effects at all. What's the risk that 25 mg spironolactone/day would cause sides? Don't really care if I get a bit lower libido as long as it doesn't completely kill my dick, it's mainly whether I get gyno or not that worries me. Also, would a dosage of only 25 mg be enough to have any positive effects? I've been seeing people doing 200 mg/day and some posts saying that less than 100 mg won't have any effect. Don't really wanna add something that doesn't necessarily help, especially if it risks causing some severe sides

I was on 1mg Finasteride and 100mg Spironolactone per day about an year ago. I think it was working pretty fine, and there were no side effects, except muscle spasms, that led me to switch to Bicalutamide.
25mg, in my opinion, is a very small dose. I don't think it'll do anything in your body. And even if it does, helping in treating hair loss is the last thing I'd think of. (Well, technically hyperkalemia and osteoporosis would be the last things, but hair growth is definitely somewhere around the last.)

 

[Umber]

I was on 1mg Finasteride and 100mg Spironolactone per day about an year ago. I think it was working pretty fine, and there were no side effects, except muscle spasms, that led me to switch to Bicalutamide.
25mg, in my opinion, is a very small dose. I don't think it'll do anything in your body. And even if it does, helping in treating hair loss is the last thing I'd think of. (Well, technically hyperkalemia and osteoporosis would be the last things, but hair growth is definitely somewhere around the last.)

So 100 mg would be the ideal dosage then? Mind you I'll probably stay on fina + duta for the time being

 

[bridgeburn]

What did your scalp feel like when the hair was growing back with such intensity - like a volcanic explosion?

no, sometimes tingling when brushing. but usually it doesn't feel like anything.

OP i dont know if you mentioned this yet, but how old were you when your hairloss started. It looked pretty aggressive to me, do you think you might have been a non responder to finasteride

I noticed at 17, probably I started losing at 16 and didn't notice. If I had started finasteride back then maybe I'd be a responder, but definitely it got too aggressive for that in the next several years after.

 

[Ein]

So 100 mg would be the ideal dosage then? Mind you I'll probably stay on fina + duta for the time being

I won't say it's ideal, but it's definitely better than 25mg and might also be better than 200mg. And yes, staying in those two meds is also a good idea.

 

[hemingway_the_mercenary]

Last thing, when you started this aggressive regiment did you notice an increse in shedding in the beggining or was it more like a increase in hair quality and amount over a couple of months

 

[Marky]

estrogen let grow some parts of your brain ;-)

it is easier to learn new stuff with slightly higher E2 in your system.

estrogen let downgrade the androgen receptor... you can safe your hair only with a low dose of estrogen and feel lucky all the time.

i love my oestrogel and never will miss it ...

How low of a dose are you on, and what kind of results are you getting?

 

[Marky]

10 gtt E2 transdermal per day
some evenings 100mg progesterone sublingual
some envenings 50mg DHEA sublingual
Minoxidil topical 2%

E2 is really like v****.

on the long run it makes the scalp a little bit thicker and bring back the hair to a Norwood 1-2 ... in the corner are only some new hair..but the rest is fine.. thats me 2018

https://www.alopezie.de/fud/index.php/fa/25380/0/

in the year 2012 i had cpa 12.5 mg per day... 2013 i've ended it and rise the sose of estrogen high to 30 drops per day ... in the year 2014 i've stopped everything and thinned again .. in 2017 i've started again with E2 10gtt per day and P4 100mg per day (2 weeks on/3 weeks off)....

Think I got my answer here, although that link to your pic doesn't work.

 

[Marky]

Spirinolactone is such a bad drug. I seriously don’t even know why anyone bothers with it.

I’m gonna order daro estradiol and mix it with finas and ru and hope that it at least stops the progression of my male pattern baldness

I've always been skeptical of mixing things, do you think it may alter the chemical compound and render it useless?

 

[Marky]

Actually i started and stopped some things, i was on spironolactone for one month, then i changed to cyproterone adding estradiol pills. I stayed on that for three months, i had a shedding, i might have recovered, but i stopped all. Now i will try to restart low dose. I am also on dutasteride for seven months, and forgot to mention that on the middle of the treatment i used minoxidil for almost two months, then stopped also.

I think you said in a previous post you stopped E cause boobs were expanding - have they shrunk down?

 

[bridgeburn]

Last thing, when you started this aggressive regiment did you notice an increse in shedding in the beggining or was it more like a increase in hair quality and amount over a couple of months

no cause when I started I didn't have so much hair left to shed lol.

 

[Jesse Navarro]

I think you said in a previous post you stopped E cause boobs were expanding - have they shrunk down?

Yes, not totally, but they are shrinking

 

[likemike]

Think I got my answer here, although that link to your pic doesn't work.

https://www.alopezie.de/fud/index.php/mv/msg/26291/0/120/

 

[Marky]

I'm taking CPA 25mg + Estradiol 4mg + estrogel ... and my itchy scalp and hair loss are back again. It doesn't make sense to me, I don't know what to do. Give up ? .... After all of this, I can't.
I envy OP ...

Maybe it's the storm before the calm, hair cycle working it's way through?