Since there is almost no sperm, getting pregnant is much more difficult. Anyway, I don't care at all
Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.
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HRT appears to be completely reversible for folks without SRS. Plus you haven't been on it long.
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Thank you Janey! Do you think you can be your old self again?
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I don't think that statement was really correct. E2 can do everything that E2 plus an AA can do. It helps to know something about the history of MtF meds. People used to use ethinyl estradiol (synthetic) and Premarin (horse estrogens but natural) by themselves and if anything, gals had better results than now. Some think that the all but universal issue with lack of breast growth is because natural estrogens don't "work" as well as these two. Anecdotally, I was on Premarin for a couple of years and I have had outstanding breast growth.
So anyway, when it was discovered that these two were really rough on the liver, doctors began to switch to natural estradiol but there was a tendency, for liver safety, not to prescribe enough to reach adult female targets. This left MtF's not achieving full facial and hair restoration. As I say often, you have to maintain adult female targets for many months it seems to "turn on" hair growth for the majority of one's hair. It's confusing because you can see some marginal improvement at lower levels.
Hence, doctors started adding AA's to the mix since the gals weren't reaching targets on E2. Had more estrogen been used, however, the AA wouldn't have been necessary. That's one reason why testing can be important for those lacking the success that they want.
Now what about excessive feminization for guys on HRT from all of that estrogen? Here's the kicker. Your body feminizes in different areas at different rates and extensive hair growth/regrowth only comes at the end after you pass all but fully through the breast growth phase. So using less E2 to avoid feminization of breast tissue is likely to create more breast development, not less. This is because small amounts of E2 or even estrone or estriol, tricks the body into thinking, "oh, this is a girl ready for breast growth" so it turns on breast growth. Thought among MtF's is that people who titrate up from tiny amounts <raises hand> are likely to have more or much more breast growth than just starting at a level that reaches adult female targets.
When I started posting, I harped on this notion again and again because if you don't understand how female puberty works, you would think, "oh, I will just use less".
That's why I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that Serms are probably necessary to get both hair and avoid breast growth. However as I also reiterate, most MtF's have tiny breasts so this might be less of a concern. I am not the best spokeswoman here though because l followed the breast growth protocol unwittingly by using Premarin in tiny amounts (.30mg starting out!) and then doubled for titration every six months. I also used Estrogel on my breasts extensively and MtF's are uncertain whether topical application increases breast growth and many believe that it at least has some effect <raises hand>.
Some times there is a reason why people haven't done something in the past and we have known about estrogens since estradiol and estrone were isolated in the 1930's.
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One thing that I have rarely been accused of is lack of memory. I seem to remember everything except names and faces and that is probably because my mind doesn't recognize such things as "data". Like the robot in the old Ally Sheedy movie with the robot, Short Circuit, my mind has always been like that "more data please. More input!"
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I do if I had a partner who wanted that. I haven't seen Noah in a while but I think a person can do what he is doing and then cycle back on estrogen maybe every other year. He fully restored and then went off HRT except for Duta. At the one year mark, he was maintaining very well except in the temples a little which is the area most likely to regress in general. I may have gone beyond the pale in terms of breast growth but they might deflate some without HRT and even more so if I used a Serm but I don't think this has been tested much. I have had other non-binary folks state that it works at least some to deflate breast growth.
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This virtually never happens to XY's. Traction alopecia is something that happens essentially by wearing a pony tail too tight. It was often seen in ballet dancers and could result from some African-American hair styles for women. Tight braiding could be another cause. There didn't use to be a cure for this except stop and hope but I am fairly certain that DR would help if not completely restore traction loss but this is conjectural in my mind. But if it restores scar tissue and I can vouch for its incredible effects there, it seems as though it might heal traction loss.
Women also go bald - that's a fact. You can console yourself as much as you like and look for the cause in traction alopecia. Since when does traction alopecia affect only temples and cause miniaturization?
I'll always tell the harsh truth and give you back your depression, b****s
does estradiol increase fat?
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f*** MEN AAAAAAWomen also go bald - that's a fact. You can console yourself as much as you like and look for the cause in traction alopecia. Since when does traction alopecia affect only temples and cause miniaturization?
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So wait now, Gergely. Why can't you use oral minoxidil?
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You would have to be more precise. Females tend to have more fat as a percentage of body weight relative to men so yes but in the sense of making someone obese, then no, it doesn't to my knowledge. Some of us gain weight and often intentionally because when starting out, this makes the breast, hip and buttock growth more apparent but my weight appears to move up and down no differently from before and my current weight about 68 kilos is what my average weight was as a "male". I do have breasts, hips and a bottom that are far more fleshy but my weight overall equilibrates.
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So you are against AA's, lol? That's four A's too many!
What makes me depressed is the fact that @Jacob Williams continues to go bald even after 150mg of Bica. And his baldness one to one looks like mine.
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Lol
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I usually think of AA's as inducing marginal hair improvement but not so much as for maintenance. That's an interesting question. Some MtF's still have issues even after castration. It appears that DHT never wants to go "gently into the night" and it can be amazingly persistent. I had to have my beard removed before my dermatitis relented even with estrogen and spironolactone being used at the time. It appears that DHT can also come from the adrenals as well as synthesizing itself in hair and beard follicles.
I am uncertain that using just an AA is any better either at avoiding breast growth since very little estrogen will result in breast growth as seen in pubertal cis-females. Do they have less effect on spermatogenesis? I don't know because I never used only an AA but regardless using bica at those levels is something that the body cannot sustain without losing bone mass. Some of you folks do more dangerous things just to avoid using or admitting you use estrogen because estrogen is for girls while apparently AA's are seen as less oriented to femaleness.
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Reducing the level of shbg through insulin resistance, if you eat a lot of sugar, your liver begins to produce less shbg and gradually androgens begin to have their detrimental effect on the hair follicles.Women and men go bald precisely because of insulin resistance,all our food contains sugar, especially at the present time.Insulin resistance is to blame.From sugar, insulin increases, progesterone decreases, and shbg decreases.I did experiments on myself, ate only sweets for a day and the next day my hair was very, very greasy!Remove sugar from your life, add something that increases your natural progesterone,add estradiol once a day, add spironolactone once a day, and you will grow great hair!
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I don't wan't hair on my arms and my back that's all.
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