Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[nicoandgello]

He was on an extreme program as am I. He did us a favor and hopefully I am by publishing protocols that we know at least worked for one person but we actually need more folks who titrate slowly for data points.

I saved his regimen, and realistically it's f*****g insane.
.5mg dutasteride, 6mg buccal estrofem, 1.5mg estrogel.
Every other day, 10mg oral minoxidil. topical finasteride/min solution on the other every other days
one Diane pill on Monday and Friday.
100mg oral progesterone first 10 nights of the month
No one should use this much meds.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I saved his regimen, and realistically it's f*****g insane.
.5mg dutasteride, 6mg buccal estrofem, 1.5mg estrogel.
Every other day, 10mg oral minoxidil. topical finasteride/min solution on the other every other days
one Diane pill on Monday and Friday.
100mg oral progesterone first 10 nights of the month
No one should use this much meds.

I keep posting them. Let me see if I have the same one.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

@Bridegeburn's Protocols

I try to re-post these frequently since many people seek proven protocols even though all items in a stack are frequently unnecessary:

@bridgeburn Dosage Recommendations:

I am trying to keep up a bit with @bridgeburn's dosing as we know that it will work. He was taking his estrogen sublingually so that means more or less it is three times as potent but has a shorter half-life from what I have read. This is about at his 9 month mark, I think:

abcnamed said:


hi, may l ask you, what's your final complete regime now?
which kind of estradiol are you using?
ethinyl estradiol ،valerate?! topical or orally or both? in which dose?,
and are you using cyproterone 50 now?
thanks

.5mg Dutasteride
2.25mg oestrogel topically
2mg estradiol hemihydrate, buccally
50mg cyproterone
10mg oral minoxidil, every other day

In terms of strength, this would be a pretty standard male to female HRT protocol for someone well into transition or maintaining adult female target levels except the CPA is off the charts. This is puzzling because he was doing fine without CPA but he might be struggling with the temples. He cut back on the oral minoxidil because someone alleged that that was causing some/much of his growth. I highly doubt this because the growth he has simply doesn't resemble minoxidil hair growth in its pervasiveness. I don't think anyone is claiming that oral minoxidil on its own could do anything close to his gains. He mentions that oral minoxidil has a short half-life so I am not sure why he didn't just go to 2.5mg twice a day.

He explains that he decreased oral minoxidil dosage due to excessive unwanted hair growth.

On August 25th, 2018, this was his regimen:

Second Cocktail in his own words, dating from late summer to fall of 2018:

1mg dutasteride everyday, 6mg buccal estrofem (a couple times i took 8mg but mostly 6mg a day), 200mg spironolactone, 500mg sulfasalizine, 10mg oral minoxidil every other day and topical minoxidil every other day on alternating days (I don't really measure just cover the area). He also was taking 100 mg of progesterone orally which is a marginal dose. October 2nd, he added one Diane pill per week.

All he really needs in my estimation at this point is the 6mg to 8mg estrofem. The oral minoxidil might be important also but that isn't a hormonal med. He shouldn't need oral minoxidil and sulfasalizine, just one or the other from what I have read as long as a person is using topical minoxidil with the sulfasalizine. I think by this point the spironolactone is largely useless as is the dutatsteride but he doesn't know this because he doesn't test so he can't be sure he is hitting targets, perhaps, without an AA.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

@Bridegeburn's Protocols

I try to re-post these frequently since many people seek proven protocols even though all items in a stack are frequently unnecessary:

@bridgeburn Dosage Recommendations:

I am trying to keep up a bit with @bridgeburn's dosing as we know that it will work. He was taking his estrogen sublingually so that means more or less it is three times as potent but has a shorter half-life from what I have read. This is about at his 9 month mark, I think:


.5mg Dutasteride
2.25mg oestrogel topically
2mg estradiol hemihydrate, buccally
50mg cyproterone
10mg oral minoxidil, every other day

In terms of strength, this would be a pretty standard male to female HRT protocol for someone well into transition or maintaining adult female target levels except the CPA is off the charts. This is puzzling because he was doing fine without CPA but he might be struggling with the temples. He cut back on the oral minoxidil because someone alleged that that was causing some/much of his growth. I highly doubt this because the growth he has simply doesn't resemble minoxidil hair growth in its pervasiveness. I don't think anyone is claiming that oral minoxidil on its own could do anything close to his gains. He mentions that oral minoxidil has a short half-life so I am not sure why he didn't just go to 2.5mg twice a day.

He explains that he decreased oral minoxidil dosage due to excessive unwanted hair growth.

On August 25th, 2018, this was his regimen:

Second Cocktail in his own words, dating from late summer to fall of 2018:

1mg dutasteride everyday, 6mg buccal estrofem (a couple times i took 8mg but mostly 6mg a day), 200mg spironolactone, 500mg sulfasalizine, 10mg oral minoxidil every other day and topical minoxidil every other day on alternating days (I don't really measure just cover the area). He also was taking 100 mg of progesterone orally which is a marginal dose. October 2nd, he added one Diane pill per week.

All he really needs in my estimation at this point is the 6mg to 8mg estrofem. The oral minoxidil might be important also but that isn't a hormonal med. He shouldn't need oral minoxidil and sulfasalizine, just one or the other from what I have read as long as a person is using topical minoxidil with the sulfasalizine. I think by this point the spironolactone is largely useless as is the dutatsteride but he doesn't know this because he doesn't test so he can't be sure he is hitting targets, perhaps, without an AA.

He was taking oral minoxidil and if I understand correctly, also sulfurtransferase. I am not sure that both were needed.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I keep posting them. Let me see if I have the same one.

Yours is similar to the second one I posted but seems to differ slightly but you were following him in real-time. I just read the entire thread. I thought that you looked familiar. The main one I remember above all was the person with the baby doll head icon which sort of freaked me out. I guess I will add yours as an intermediate or additional protocol.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

@bridgeburn used all three.

I never understood whether it was eon or ein or maybe there were two:








Noun. eonism (uncountable) A pretence, by a man, of being a woman; transvestism.

eonism - Wiktionary​

 

[Almas]

Who used bicalutamide? I think Ein and Ikarus. Ikarus used E2 so its hard to say if bica worked for him. Ein on the other hand never had any male pattern baldness(at least from what I have seen)

Few have used bicalutamide without estrogen. Someone he helped, some not. The problem is that everyone has different Androgenetic Alopecia aggressiveness. I have very bad genes and use 50mg without estrogen. Let's see what happens. In any case, apparently, the temples cannot be restored even on HRT, Ikarus has thin temples and Norwood 1 despite the extreme regime

 

[Almas]

I don't know why Bridgeburn needs so many drugs. Why couldn't you just get by with Bick and estrogen? It's safer and less troublesome

 

[Almas]

DHTcel achieved regrowth on Bica in just 3 months. But we don't know how bad genes he had. Considering the age of 15-16, they must be bad. But he used a high dose. There are 2 options:
1) 50mg Bica + 2mg E
2) 150mg Bica
I don't know which option is better

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

Women also go bald - that's a fact. You can console yourself as much as you like and look for the cause in traction alopecia. Since when does traction alopecia affect only temples and cause miniaturization?
I'll always tell the harsh truth and give you back your depression, b****s

Actually it usually does affect temple hairs more prominently

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Actually it usually does affect temple hairs more prominently

I wrote about this briefly earlier today on my thread.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

No bald super heroes, sigh:

But at least we could don a cowl to hide our hair loss. Neil Adams, copyright.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

No, it's not, lol. MtF's use 50mg all of the time. Remember spironolactone can have extreme sides.

Yes! But to be effective for male hair loss you need 100-200mg... And thats just such a high dose, because of that I wouldn't stick with it tbh.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Yes! But to be effective for male hair loss you need 100-200mg... And thats just such a high dose, because of that I wouldn't stick with it tbh.

You don't my friend. Remember titration is our friend and we can titrate both spironolactone and estrogen plus ask me about medroxyprogesterone as it largely lacks sides in my experience. It's morning there, lol.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

DHTcel achieved regrowth on Bica in just 3 months. But we don't know how bad genes he had. Considering the age of 15-16, they must be bad. But he used a high dose. There are 2 options:
1) 50mg Bica + 2mg E
2) 150mg Bica
I don't know which option is better

Personally, I would choose option 2, but thats just such a high dose for the liver, thats too risky yikes!

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Actually it usually does affect temple hairs more prominently

Hi girl.

 

[Almas]

Personally, I would choose option 2, but thats just such a high dose for the liver, thats too risky yikes!

Bicalutamide is not as dangerous for the liver as you think. This is not something to worry about. I'm more interested in which of the two options is more efficient and safer. The advantage of Bicalutamide is that it does not interfere with muscle building

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Bicalutamide is not as dangerous for the liver as you think. This is not something to worry about. I'm more interested in which of the two options is more efficient and safer. The advantage of Bicalutamide is that it does not interfere with muscle building

spironolactone is arguably the safest for the liver but it has the heaviest sides in the short-run.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Bicalutamide is not as dangerous for the liver as you think. This is not something to worry about. I'm more interested in which of the two options is more efficient and safer. The advantage of Bicalutamide is that it does not interfere with muscle building

Perhaps, it improves lol

 

[Nimos0651]

50mg is really small dose. Do you think it could help someone that only takes finasteride and oral min?

Still too early to tell. I will be bumping it up to 100mg at the 1 month mark.