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Except possibly with respect to breast growth which is typically meager when MtF's are even shooting for it, everything else sees reversible but I would stick bank sperm or harvest eggs.
Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.
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Mr. Forehead is back:
Again, I reiterate everything Bridge says below in my personal experience.
I'll never let it come back. Ill destroy all androgens and gain God like hair!!! side efffects are sign that its working!
Again, I reiterate everything Bridge says below in my personal experience.
I havent measured them and I can still hide them with the right clothes, but they basically look like a small pair of boobs
Never!! Testosterone betrayed me
I'll never let it come back. Ill destroy all androgens and gain God like hair!!! side efffects are sign that its working! its not strictly oral. I take my estrofem tablet buccally, and use estrogel topically, not only on my head though
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The cost of that in some european countries is on par with a hair transplant in turkey.
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Bridge now has his first acolyte in Mr. Navarro and again, pertinent info in every post by bridge:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9052581/
Single-dose pharmacokinetics of sublingual versus oral administration of micronized 17 beta-estradiol.
Sublingual administration resulted in a significantly lower E1 to E2 ratio during the 24 hours than did oral administration.
yes, you can take it that way
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9052581/
Single-dose pharmacokinetics of sublingual versus oral administration of micronized 17 beta-estradiol.
Sublingual administration resulted in a significantly lower E1 to E2 ratio during the 24 hours than did oral administration.
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Now Bridge deals with the psychological aspect, not the medical, again, I agree with every single thing he says related to my own transition and my continuing gynophelic perspective but soft butch FtM's, I do dig:
and of course I was an ectomorphic skinny weirdo in school who got picked on so I have thought that girls must have it easier in terms of bullies.
Puberty though was not so good. The way I remember it is I starting getting horrible body odor and people telling me I stunk, becoming extremly horny and jacking off all the time, my temple hair suddenly dissapearing, I lifted up my long hair one day and saw my temples had rapidly vanished into bare f*****g skin, and I got alot of acne and shittier looking skin.
I also think that at least up until menopause that men's looks decay faster than womens. In general, a woman who is 30 years old will have better skin than a man who is 30, also she would have maintained her childlike cuteness since puberty more.
I'll admit that If I honestly met a transgirl who was really beautiful, had a great personality and a feminine persona but hadn't had the surgery, probably the penis would not bother me. I don't know how gay you think that is but I think most guys would feel the same but are just too embarrassed to admit it.
This may be going a bit off the direct topic but still about attractiveness and sexuality. And since I have progressively gotten crazy obsessive to a point that I despise anything related to Dht including masculinity, I will say a few things:
In the grand scheme of attraction, male features are inferior and this could even apply to women's attraction to us to a certain extant.
If you put more female traits on a girl she will not lose any attractiveness and more likely she will just become more attractive! but It doesn't work the other way around, too many masculine traits on men can actually decrease their attractiveness.
Men have to be somewhere in the middle to be more attractive to most women. There has actually been studies on this.
Most women do not actually prefer the face way on the right;
And even Society overall agrees with this way of thinking too, that femininity is valued dose dependently while masculinity can only be valued in a moderated fashion. Think of all the companies who want their employees to be clean shaven, Facial hair is a male trait and yet even many cis men choose to shave because they think it looks more proffessional, younger and cleaner. But do women ever do anything to reduce feminine features?, unless in some extreme circumstance like getting breast reduction because her boobs are so big they cause back pain, otherwise No.
And Baldness is a primarily androgenic induced Male feature, but how many hollywood movies pick bald characters for lead roles, Only if the character is meant to be an older guy, like a "dad" character, of course anyone in their 20s or early 30s with traces of "premature balding" would not have the part. The only roles for bald guys is older characters, or goofy side charcters, loser characters, or the villian. and the only acceptable possible attraction role for any bald guy is when he's the bald badass hypermasculine killing machine whose job is to be a brutal monster entertaining us with violence.
Also it is known that women are more likely to be bi sexual or get bi curious later in life than men..
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/11820710/Women-more-likely-to-be-bisexual-study-finds.html
I remember hearing some guys in high school claim that if they were born a girl that they would definitely be a lesbian and I thought that was a little dumb to assume. How could we honestly know what we would be under such different circumstances? If we were a cat, we'd be f*****g other cats. and If I had a vagina of course I'd want it to get penetrated someday, especially If I was born a girl who grew up watching Disney movies of falling in love with a prince, that would simply be the romantic ideas and desires that would have formed.. but I would not be surprised that if Disney movies, tv shows and mainstream media played equal number of stories involving same-sex couples or charcters in same sex romantic situations that children were exposed to then there would be an increase in the number of lesbians and bi sexuals. Maybe there would be some increase in gays too but I am certain that there would be an unproportional rise in the number of lesbian acts in comparison.
and there is a reason for all this. I would say, because in some weird objective cosmic collective human perspective, male traits are inferior overall just as testosterone is inferior to estrogen not only in attraction but other ways too, and if there is a God then surely God agrees too because God took a giant flaming sh*t on our gender and I'll tell you exactly how in the rest of this post.
men are more likely to cheat, and even men who are relatively decent morally when it comes to all other aspects in life fall short when it comes to lust.
Many men will put "hoes before bros" betray thier friends because "all is fair in love and war" and be f*** boys who lead girls on just to get sex.
And guys are put under tremendous social pressure by other guys to be total w****s and if your not, they think something is wrong with you. Other guys will egotistically brag about their number of partners and make the "non top tier" men even more frustrated.
At first, I just started all this for my hair. I wasn't planning to continue forever, I didn't expect to start thinking the way I do now or to gradually turn into an estrogen junkie. I may have not showed it too much but I honestly like estrogen for more reasons than just hair. I actually like the way it makes me feel and It is giving me my youth back..
here are some old pictures of me:
and here are some during the past few months:
Androgens ravash our bodies and make us uglier and older. We go from young and cute to balding, old, and gross. We watch hair appear everywhere else on our body except for the one place we actually care about it and that just feels like a slap in the face from god. I was a nasty, horny, stinky, balding old man and I looked like a damn 40 year old pedophile!
And perhaps my biggest problem with testosterone is that it doesn't just make us look older. It Actually makes us older!!
-When people get thier pets castrated it increases thier lifespan
-and historically eunuchs in Korea lived longer
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(12)00712-9
-Also, Women live longer In humans and in many other species as well!
When a man ejaculates he is cumming out his life force, men are designed to f*** and then die and that's all evolution cares about! but women need to stick around longer to take care of kids. The universe is designed to be fucked up and of all the things fertility and hair had to linked to it has to be lifespan. but lets take a good look at estrogen now:
-Estrogen increases collagen
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15955089
- Topical estrogen accelerates cutaneous wound healing in aged humans
"Compared to placebo, estrogen treatment increased the extent of wound healing in both males and females with a decrease in wound size at day 7, increased collagen levels at both days 7 and 80, and increased day 7 fibronectin levels. In addition, estrogen enhanced the strength of day 80 wounds."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1867002/
- It has antioxidant properties
"Estrogen deficiency in ovariectomized mice induced a downregulation of ecSOD and MnSOD expression, which was associated with increased production of vascular free radicals and prevented by estrogen replacement or treatment with PEG-SOD. In humans, increased estrogen levels led to enhanced ecSOD and MnSOD expression in circulating monocytes. Estrogen acts antioxidative at least to some extent via stimulation of MnSOD and ecSOD expression and activity, which may contribute to its vasoprotective effects."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816884/
"Females live longer than males in many species, including humans. We have traced a possible explanation for this phenomenon to the beneficial action of estrogens, which bind to estrogen receptors and increase the expression of longevity-associated genes, including those encoding the antioxidant enzymes superoxide dismutase and glutathione peroxidase."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15944465/
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Our bodies as a product of nature only care about its own self preservation so that we can reproduce. Whenever a female runs out of eggs, that gives the signal to produce less life giving estrogen and then she experiences age related health issues. I wouldn't be surprised if women lived even longer if they didn't go through menopause.
In fact, this study shows women who took estrogen therapy for a longer amount of time after menopausal lived longer than non users and those who took it a shorter amount of time. Risk of death decreased with increasing duration of estrogen therapy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3373269/
and guess what else,
-estrogen deficiency leads to shorter telomeres in mice.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18936784
-and human women have longer telomeres than men
https://www.researchgate.net/figure...-age-The-X-axis-gives-the-age-of_fig2_7291931
SO, I think male hormones are f*****g poison and inferior in every way. They are a sick cruel joke of nature and they are death and that death is symbolized in baldness. There's no greater symbol of mortality than a bald scalp, it even looks like a f*****g skull!!
I used to think nature was my friend, and had very conservative and fearful viewpoints on drugs of any kind, I thought marijuana was just as bad as meth and that finasteride would make my dick fall off. Yet, here I am on dutasteride, 50mg cypro, 5mg estrogen and sometimes I take a bit more cause I feel like it. and I don't have any problems yet getting or maintaining erections.
Maybe I'm completely wrong here and there's some scientific reasons or I'm just lucky but I think it could be that I am in a relationship, I'm having sex with someone I care about and because sex drive becomes more mentally and emotionally linked then it would make sense that people who are single would experience more problems when it comes to sexual function. Because living alone and needing to masturbate is less exciting and having a one night stand or random hookups are less comfortable, and the nocebo effect could all potentially psychologically lead to ED.
Hopefully I will be able to continue to perform, but as of now, I really don't seem to need testosterone for sexual function.
What then is the actual good point of testosterone?? The good point to me is that it has the ability to convert to estrogen lol.
Ok Ideal, I'll answer seriously and honestly and tell you my detailed perspective on hormones, masculinity, and femininity. maybe its a bit personal but I'll make it public cause why care anymore what people think of me.This will be a long post. Some of this may piss guys off, some people may get defensive when I say things they don't want to hear. but these are just my honest views and if you stop and think about it you'll probably see some truth in it.
I don't remember growing up wishing I was a girl or dysphoria. and I don't think that my thoughts were too particularly transy. I remember before imagining that if I was a girl I would choose to have extemely long hair, probably growing it past my a$$ lol.
and of course I was an ectomorphic skinny weirdo in school who got picked on so I have thought that girls must have it easier in terms of bullies.
Puberty though was not so good. The way I remember it is I starting getting horrible body odor and people telling me I stunk, becoming extremly horny and jacking off all the time, my temple hair suddenly dissapearing, I lifted up my long hair one day and saw my temples had rapidly vanished into bare f*****g skin, and I got alot of acne and shittier looking skin.
I am attracted to girls. I can't imagine liking guys, men are full of testosterone and Dht and all that sh*t I don't like.
I also think that at least up until menopause that men's looks decay faster than womens. In general, a woman who is 30 years old will have better skin than a man who is 30, also she would have maintained her childlike cuteness since puberty more.
I'll admit that If I honestly met a transgirl who was really beautiful, had a great personality and a feminine persona but hadn't had the surgery, probably the penis would not bother me. I don't know how gay you think that is but I think most guys would feel the same but are just too embarrassed to admit it.
This may be going a bit off the direct topic but still about attractiveness and sexuality. And since I have progressively gotten crazy obsessive to a point that I despise anything related to Dht including masculinity, I will say a few things:
In the grand scheme of attraction, male features are inferior and this could even apply to women's attraction to us to a certain extant.
If you put more female traits on a girl she will not lose any attractiveness and more likely she will just become more attractive! but It doesn't work the other way around, too many masculine traits on men can actually decrease their attractiveness.
Men have to be somewhere in the middle to be more attractive to most women. There has actually been studies on this.
Most women do not actually prefer the face way on the right;
And even Society overall agrees with this way of thinking too, that femininity is valued dose dependently while masculinity can only be valued in a moderated fashion. Think of all the companies who want their employees to be clean shaven, Facial hair is a male trait and yet even many cis men choose to shave because they think it looks more proffessional, younger and cleaner. But do women ever do anything to reduce feminine features?, unless in some extreme circumstance like getting breast reduction because her boobs are so big they cause back pain, otherwise No.
And Baldness is a primarily androgenic induced Male feature, but how many hollywood movies pick bald characters for lead roles, Only if the character is meant to be an older guy, like a "dad" character, of course anyone in their 20s or early 30s with traces of "premature balding" would not have the part. The only roles for bald guys is older characters, or goofy side charcters, loser characters, or the villian. and the only acceptable possible attraction role for any bald guy is when he's the bald badass hypermasculine killing machine whose job is to be a brutal monster entertaining us with violence.
Also it is known that women are more likely to be bi sexual or get bi curious later in life than men..
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/11820710/Women-more-likely-to-be-bisexual-study-finds.html
I remember hearing some guys in high school claim that if they were born a girl that they would definitely be a lesbian and I thought that was a little dumb to assume. How could we honestly know what we would be under such different circumstances? If we were a cat, we'd be f*****g other cats. and If I had a vagina of course I'd want it to get penetrated someday, especially If I was born a girl who grew up watching Disney movies of falling in love with a prince, that would simply be the romantic ideas and desires that would have formed.. but I would not be surprised that if Disney movies, tv shows and mainstream media played equal number of stories involving same-sex couples or charcters in same sex romantic situations that children were exposed to then there would be an increase in the number of lesbians and bi sexuals. Maybe there would be some increase in gays too but I am certain that there would be an unproportional rise in the number of lesbian acts in comparison.
and there is a reason for all this. I would say, because in some weird objective cosmic collective human perspective, male traits are inferior overall just as testosterone is inferior to estrogen not only in attraction but other ways too, and if there is a God then surely God agrees too because God took a giant flaming sh*t on our gender and I'll tell you exactly how in the rest of this post.
exactly. male sex drive is torture, consider all of the pain it has caused you. It's great now to be able to get aroused whenever I choose to but to not absolutely need to. To not be in complete desperate bondage to it like men are.
men are more likely to cheat, and even men who are relatively decent morally when it comes to all other aspects in life fall short when it comes to lust.
Many men will put "hoes before bros" betray thier friends because "all is fair in love and war" and be f*** boys who lead girls on just to get sex.
And guys are put under tremendous social pressure by other guys to be total w****s and if your not, they think something is wrong with you. Other guys will egotistically brag about their number of partners and make the "non top tier" men even more frustrated.
What Hilltop says here about objectifying women is true. Hrt is honestly changing the way I think and made me lose interest in p**rn. I don't rank people on number scales and I'm letting go of riddiculously superficial hyper-analyzed preferences. I am able to focus on romantic ideas and overall story and I prefer this more pure form of libido as well.
No! I feel utterly betrayed, I'm not going to ever give testosterone another chance. Hrt opened my eyes and I plan to stay on it forever. Even if a cure comes out tomorrow I would keep taking estrogen.
At first, I just started all this for my hair. I wasn't planning to continue forever, I didn't expect to start thinking the way I do now or to gradually turn into an estrogen junkie. I may have not showed it too much but I honestly like estrogen for more reasons than just hair. I actually like the way it makes me feel and It is giving me my youth back..
here are some old pictures of me:
and here are some during the past few months:
Androgens ravash our bodies and make us uglier and older. We go from young and cute to balding, old, and gross. We watch hair appear everywhere else on our body except for the one place we actually care about it and that just feels like a slap in the face from god. I was a nasty, horny, stinky, balding old man and I looked like a damn 40 year old pedophile!
And perhaps my biggest problem with testosterone is that it doesn't just make us look older. It Actually makes us older!!
-When people get thier pets castrated it increases thier lifespan
-and historically eunuchs in Korea lived longer
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(12)00712-9
-Also, Women live longer In humans and in many other species as well!
When a man ejaculates he is cumming out his life force, men are designed to f*** and then die and that's all evolution cares about! but women need to stick around longer to take care of kids. The universe is designed to be fucked up and of all the things fertility and hair had to linked to it has to be lifespan. but lets take a good look at estrogen now:
-Estrogen increases collagen
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15955089
- Topical estrogen accelerates cutaneous wound healing in aged humans
"Compared to placebo, estrogen treatment increased the extent of wound healing in both males and females with a decrease in wound size at day 7, increased collagen levels at both days 7 and 80, and increased day 7 fibronectin levels. In addition, estrogen enhanced the strength of day 80 wounds."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1867002/
- It has antioxidant properties
"Estrogen deficiency in ovariectomized mice induced a downregulation of ecSOD and MnSOD expression, which was associated with increased production of vascular free radicals and prevented by estrogen replacement or treatment with PEG-SOD. In humans, increased estrogen levels led to enhanced ecSOD and MnSOD expression in circulating monocytes. Estrogen acts antioxidative at least to some extent via stimulation of MnSOD and ecSOD expression and activity, which may contribute to its vasoprotective effects."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816884/
"Females live longer than males in many species, including humans. We have traced a possible explanation for this phenomenon to the beneficial action of estrogens, which bind to estrogen receptors and increase the expression of longevity-associated genes, including those encoding the antioxidant enzymes superoxide dismutase and glutathione peroxidase."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15944465/
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Our bodies as a product of nature only care about its own self preservation so that we can reproduce. Whenever a female runs out of eggs, that gives the signal to produce less life giving estrogen and then she experiences age related health issues. I wouldn't be surprised if women lived even longer if they didn't go through menopause.
In fact, this study shows women who took estrogen therapy for a longer amount of time after menopausal lived longer than non users and those who took it a shorter amount of time. Risk of death decreased with increasing duration of estrogen therapy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3373269/
and guess what else,
-estrogen deficiency leads to shorter telomeres in mice.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18936784
-and human women have longer telomeres than men
https://www.researchgate.net/figure...-age-The-X-axis-gives-the-age-of_fig2_7291931
SO, I think male hormones are f*****g poison and inferior in every way. They are a sick cruel joke of nature and they are death and that death is symbolized in baldness. There's no greater symbol of mortality than a bald scalp, it even looks like a f*****g skull!!
I used to think nature was my friend, and had very conservative and fearful viewpoints on drugs of any kind, I thought marijuana was just as bad as meth and that finasteride would make my dick fall off. Yet, here I am on dutasteride, 50mg cypro, 5mg estrogen and sometimes I take a bit more cause I feel like it. and I don't have any problems yet getting or maintaining erections.
Maybe I'm completely wrong here and there's some scientific reasons or I'm just lucky but I think it could be that I am in a relationship, I'm having sex with someone I care about and because sex drive becomes more mentally and emotionally linked then it would make sense that people who are single would experience more problems when it comes to sexual function. Because living alone and needing to masturbate is less exciting and having a one night stand or random hookups are less comfortable, and the nocebo effect could all potentially psychologically lead to ED.
Hopefully I will be able to continue to perform, but as of now, I really don't seem to need testosterone for sexual function.
What then is the actual good point of testosterone?? The good point to me is that it has the ability to convert to estrogen lol.
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I would say that you and I are -200 on that scale but you are young so you would be more neotenic most likely.
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Here we go with the first person who regrets this path due to shedding, a common theme that has been a focus of mine along with inflammation. This person, Korean, I think had a moderately aggressive regime:
I am regretting usin any of this sh*t.
God knows.
I am regretting usin any of this sh*t.
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I am Zhea. She's young. With beard removal, I took at least ten years off so this can actually work better for older XY's. Bridge mentions less the tissue re-matrixing from head to foot which is startling and amazing.
Here's her protocal that allegedly worked great for her and she has pics at page 40. My goal is to pick out the successful folks and their protocols and the shedding and no results folks and their protocols. Above 4mg estradiol swallowed seems to work well for virtually everyone who doesn't stop because of a shed:
Finasteride 5 mg ED (only cause this is how the pharmacy gives them to me and I'm too lazy to cut them up lol)
spironolactone 75 mg every 12 hours (getting orchi in 1 month)
Estradiol 2.5 mg every 12 hours
Progesterone 100mg, 12 days on, 18 days off.
Biotin 10,000 mcg.
@bridgeburn this entire thread is amazing. It's been several months since I logged in but I had to get back on here to applaud the discourse in this thread. I absolutely adore your dissection of masculinity vs femininity. It's wonderful to hear about these nuances of gender and hormones that 99% of the world will never understand. It's especially interesting to hear it from a different perspective other than a transperson. Testosterone truly is the inferior hormone. I'm glad it exists though because I am super attracted to masculine guys that are pumping full of T and if they didn't exist... who would be there to carry me around?
That being said, I'm a transwoman and I had a near full recovery from a Norwood~3.5. It's fascinating seeing you talk about the other mental effects of estrogen. It's really such a beautiful and calm hormone compared to testosterone. I was gender non conforming all of my life so I'm a bit biased, but testosterone was absolutely disgusting. I honestly can not think of a single benefit testosterone gave me other than hyper competition.
Since being on HRT, I have easily lost 6 years of "age" on my appearance. Everybody always guesses 4-7 years younger than what I really am. My hairline has surged back to life and is starting to round off. My skin is way healthier (practicing skin care now too). It's so comfy. Your input on the whole gender, sexuality, and masc/fem philosophy is valuable. It's fascinating to hear a "cis male" speak with such hatred for testosterone.
I also agree that if more males experienced what life is like on estrogen instead of testosterone they probably wouldn't switch back (don't let them know this though because the world needs beefy hunks).
Here's her protocal that allegedly worked great for her and she has pics at page 40. My goal is to pick out the successful folks and their protocols and the shedding and no results folks and their protocols. Above 4mg estradiol swallowed seems to work well for virtually everyone who doesn't stop because of a shed:
Finasteride 5 mg ED (only cause this is how the pharmacy gives them to me and I'm too lazy to cut them up lol)
spironolactone 75 mg every 12 hours (getting orchi in 1 month)
Estradiol 2.5 mg every 12 hours
Progesterone 100mg, 12 days on, 18 days off.
Biotin 10,000 mcg.
@bridgeburn this entire thread is amazing. It's been several months since I logged in but I had to get back on here to applaud the discourse in this thread. I absolutely adore your dissection of masculinity vs femininity. It's wonderful to hear about these nuances of gender and hormones that 99% of the world will never understand. It's especially interesting to hear it from a different perspective other than a transperson. Testosterone truly is the inferior hormone. I'm glad it exists though because I am super attracted to masculine guys that are pumping full of T and if they didn't exist... who would be there to carry me around?
That being said, I'm a transwoman and I had a near full recovery from a Norwood~3.5. It's fascinating seeing you talk about the other mental effects of estrogen. It's really such a beautiful and calm hormone compared to testosterone. I was gender non conforming all of my life so I'm a bit biased, but testosterone was absolutely disgusting. I honestly can not think of a single benefit testosterone gave me other than hyper competition.
Since being on HRT, I have easily lost 6 years of "age" on my appearance. Everybody always guesses 4-7 years younger than what I really am. My hairline has surged back to life and is starting to round off. My skin is way healthier (practicing skin care now too). It's so comfy. Your input on the whole gender, sexuality, and masc/fem philosophy is valuable. It's fascinating to hear a "cis male" speak with such hatred for testosterone.
This thread is soooo fun to read.
I also agree that if more males experienced what life is like on estrogen instead of testosterone they probably wouldn't switch back (don't let them know this though because the world needs beefy hunks).
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Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy the thread
It really is a crazy journey. When I started I had no idea I would get so deep into gender stuff or how radically affected I'd become.It doesn't make every guy like that. Even when I was full of testosterone, I wasnt super masculine. least not in the good way, I have a pretty small bone structure, am an ectomorph and my metabolism was extremely high before Hrt. I could not gain much weight at all even when i tried eating a ton. I was active too yet was hard to gain much muscle even when i did gain some strength.
Testosterone just wasn't meant for people like me. It works for some particular guys with the right combination of every other naturally masculine traits.
It is kinda hard to believe that everyone doesn't want to be filled with estrogen Lol, but still I'm not so sure this is true cause other guys on this forumn have used estrogen, and many stop eventually or try to maintain without it later. I think it's particularly gyno above everything that makes them stop and it would probably freak most guys out if they had the level of gyno that I do. Most are taking lower doses than trans level doses though, so possible they aren't getting the full experience, but still I was on low doses too at first but kept craving more.
I'm thinking about trying progesterone too. It should give me more neurosteriods which i probably need since im on dutasteride. But i have some concern like Hilltop does, It also can potentially turn into many things depending on what enzymes it reaches so im a bit leary...
youth is more valuable than gender.
an enemy of hair is an enemy of mine.
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Sigh.... It's Goddess-like hair that you have Bridge. He admits that he is on a strong MtF regime:
youth is more valuable than gender.
an enemy of hair is an enemy of mine.
My regimen at the moment is what a transwoman would take. or even more than some actually. I want to murder all my androgens and grow Godlike hair. Yes, my skin is softer and healthier. People just think Im a young guy though.
youth is more valuable than gender.
an enemy of hair is an enemy of mine.
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I find this sad and there's some good info but none of the promised pics. Mr. Forehead apparently moved on but this was supposed to be a more male-oriented thread but it's an orphan thread now:
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Wolfpac decides to put some skin in the game but note nobody thinks just to copy bridge, not even the MtF's apparently who pipe in frequently claiming HRT made them permanently bald:
Bridgeburn I really respect you for sharing your experience with us and for being brave enough to show your face. I think you look great and you have inspired me to attempt a less hardcore version of your method for myself. I'm going to try 50mg of spironolactone and 1mg topical estradiol per day for 3 to 6 months. I might be willing to double the doses if I dont get the desired results. Thanks for hanging around to keep us updated.
Bridgeburn I really respect you for sharing your experience with us and for being brave enough to show your face. I think you look great and you have inspired me to attempt a less hardcore version of your method for myself. I'm going to try 50mg of spironolactone and 1mg topical estradiol per day for 3 to 6 months. I might be willing to double the doses if I dont get the desired results. Thanks for hanging around to keep us updated.
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Mr. Navarro drops out:
I admire your courage or crazyness, bridgeburn, but i couldnt take it. I was growing boobs and they were becoming huge, hard to hide. When i began, i thought i could handle this but i couldnt. I think i was feeling what transexuals feel before HRT (dysphoria). I stopped estradiol and androcur. Ill try a strong regimen but a more reasonable one, "only" spironolactone and dutasteride.
I admire your courage or crazyness, bridgeburn, but i couldnt take it. I was growing boobs and they were becoming huge, hard to hide. When i began, i thought i could handle this but i couldnt. I think i was feeling what transexuals feel before HRT (dysphoria). I stopped estradiol and androcur. Ill try a strong regimen but a more reasonable one, "only" spironolactone and dutasteride.
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Least feminizing med = CPA?
Bridge:
but I would say maybe cyproterone acetate if used alone. (stronger blocker than spironolactone, lower rate of gyno, stronger anti gonadotrophin, may inhibit 5ar too)
Bridge:
your question is an oxymoron..
but I would say maybe cyproterone acetate if used alone. (stronger blocker than spironolactone, lower rate of gyno, stronger anti gonadotrophin, may inhibit 5ar too)
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Notice that no one comes on here claiming that HRT doesn't work for hair loss anymore but there used to be people who would say ridiculous stuff. Estrogen makes all MtF's look younger and often decades younger if you look at trans timelines on reddit:
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Am I really the only one to realize the OP is trolling everyone?
He simply presents the AFTER pics as the BEFORE pics and vice versa. And by after, I mean after he went bald, whereas the pics with his supposedly miraculous hormone therapy results date back to when he began balding or was not even balding yet.
I'm really not sure what he's getting out of this, but you gotta be blind not to notice he's like a decade younger, almost a child, in those hairy pics.
EDIT: Thinking about it for a second, I probably know what he is getting out of it. A laugh. Lots of it. Well earned dude. You fooled them all.
I believe that you won't take a hairy one holding a handwritten piece of paper with the current date and this thread title. That's the only thing I believe. It's quite easy to prove me wrong, but something tells me we will have to make do with "if you don't believe me it's totally fine lol".
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Whip and Snap:
Am I really the only one to realize the OP is trolling everyone?
He simply presents the AFTER pics as the BEFORE pics and vice versa. And by after, I mean after he went bald, whereas the pics with his supposedly miraculous hormone therapy results date back to when he began balding or was not even balding yet.
I'm really not sure what he's getting out of this, but you gotta be blind not to notice he's like a decade younger, almost a child, in those hairy pics.
EDIT: Thinking about it for a second, I probably know what he is getting out of it. A laugh. Lots of it. Well earned dude. You fooled them all.
Let me tell you what I believe.
I believe that you won't take a hairy one holding a handwritten piece of paper with the current date and this thread title. That's the only thing I believe. It's quite easy to prove me wrong, but something tells me we will have to make do with "if you don't believe me it's totally fine lol".
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Alright, I'm a believer now, frizzy auntie.
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Bridge on Estrogen Rejuvenation:
I would say maybe men age better in late age while women definitely age better up to menopause but menopause speeds the process messing them up, men have a steady gradual decline in their hormone production. But totally the attraction of women is that they look more youthful!
Youth is a huge part of the female gender and so signs of age don't look right on women. Men are acceptable more easily with wrinkles and aging because thats just a normal part of being a man. Maybe women are a bit less superficial too. Many masculine features actually make people look older!
Hairloss, oily rough skin, facial hair.
plus men don't statically live as long.
And if you really think about it, there is not much difference between becoming more feminine and becoming more youthful. Its practically a synonym.
Little kids for example are more feminine than masculine. They have nice smooth skin, full heads of hair, no facial hair, emotional, etc.
see the correalation, what does estrogen do? it makes us closer to being like a little kid! it lessened my body hair, made me more emotional, gave more head hair, practically no body odor hm come to think about it nobody told me I stunk Before puberty! cleared up acne and gave better skin, stopped my sperm production and we didn't make sperm yet when we were little kids did we?
there's definitely something to this.
we all start off as female by default in the womb even. and then change based on the level of androgen exposure.
youth is more valuable than gender.
an enemy of hair is an enemy of mine.
yes exactly! I agree with all of this in general.
I would say maybe men age better in late age while women definitely age better up to menopause but menopause speeds the process messing them up, men have a steady gradual decline in their hormone production. But totally the attraction of women is that they look more youthful!
Youth is a huge part of the female gender and so signs of age don't look right on women. Men are acceptable more easily with wrinkles and aging because thats just a normal part of being a man. Maybe women are a bit less superficial too. Many masculine features actually make people look older!
Hairloss, oily rough skin, facial hair.
plus men don't statically live as long.
And if you really think about it, there is not much difference between becoming more feminine and becoming more youthful. Its practically a synonym.
Little kids for example are more feminine than masculine. They have nice smooth skin, full heads of hair, no facial hair, emotional, etc.
see the correalation, what does estrogen do? it makes us closer to being like a little kid! it lessened my body hair, made me more emotional, gave more head hair, practically no body odor hm come to think about it nobody told me I stunk Before puberty! cleared up acne and gave better skin, stopped my sperm production and we didn't make sperm yet when we were little kids did we?
there's definitely something to this.
we all start off as female by default in the womb even. and then change based on the level of androgen exposure.
youth is more valuable than gender.
an enemy of hair is an enemy of mine.
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I have tried to emphasize the binary/on-off aspect of reaching adult female estradiol levels. This dude Bridge is uncanny. Always right:
newborns have high estrogen. E is something which changes gene expression, like a switch. Androgens develop facial hair but old men with low T still have beards cause the genes are still on. Physical castration stops further balding but doesn't reverse hairloss or regrow long lost hair. But chemical castration or hormone therapy can in many cases.
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Don't be like JesseNavarro. You cannot keep switching in different directions all of the time:
Actually i started and stopped some things, i was on spironolactone for one month, then i changed to cyproterone adding estradiol pills. I stayed on that for three months, i had a shedding, i might have recovered, but i stopped all. Now i will try to restart low dose. I am also on dutasteride for seven months, and forgot to mention that on the middle of the treatment i used minoxidil for almost two months, then stopped also.
Actually i started and stopped some things, i was on spironolactone for one month, then i changed to cyproterone adding estradiol pills. I stayed on that for three months, i had a shedding, i might have recovered, but i stopped all. Now i will try to restart low dose. I am also on dutasteride for seven months, and forgot to mention that on the middle of the treatment i used minoxidil for almost two months, then stopped also.