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ive been a bit busy, but will respond to everybody.


its a good regimen. i think bicalutimide is better if you can get it.

ive used minoxidil and estrogel topically. there were a couple brief times i used diane topically (crushed some pills in a bottle of rosemary extract and added a bit DMSO)

I think it will go at least partially systematic anyway if only topically. might be effective but depends how thick and fibrotic the scalp skin is. I think dermarolling or topical corticosteriods would help respond to it

they dont do the same thing. dutas prevents testosterone from turning into dht. cypro lowers testosterone and blocks androgen receptors . its synergistic this way.

seems a bit neutralizing to use patches with it, unless you put the patches on your head. (or on your nutsack)

damn that sucks, instead of lowering, you could try popping v**** or cialis. ;)

remember, drugs are always the answer...



Or try shooting meth up your dick...

actually please don't do that but I heard some people do that and bang all night..


o_O

well, for me I don't want any testosterone.

I think results will depend how heavy one is willing to go. sh*t id probably blast darolutimide if if was commercially available. even the fact cypros a very weak partial agonist worries me

When i was on 50mg cypro and 1.5mg estrogel only on scalp.. (thats 2.5g gel equal to 1.5mg e) I still started developing gyno, got more puffy nipples and some small lumps which continued to form, not nearly what i got now though but not sure how much it wouldve continued if i had stayed on that dose consistently.

I think with that regimen cypro and tiny amount E. it may wont lower T to total castrate range, it should be close though. but since this reg doesnt change our aromatase levels as far as i know, most of the little T made will probly aromatize.

yeah they do. if they get nuts removed they can come off antiandrogens but still need E.

It can take many months or several years to lose muscle if you have a good amount. though you may be able to maintain them, it will be more effort.
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"even the fact cypros a very weak partial agonist worries me"

Bridge what does this mean - for the most part it helps hair growth but in small part contributes to hairloss?
 
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When i was on 50mg cypro and 1.5mg estrogel only on scalp.. (thats 2.5g gel equal to 1.5mg e) I still started developing gyno, got more puffy nipples and some small lumps which continued to form, not nearly what i got now though but not sure how much it wouldve continued if i had stayed on that dose consistently.

I think with that regimen cypro and tiny amount E. it may wont lower T to total castrate range, it should be close though. but since this reg doesnt change our aromatase levels as far as i know, most of the little T made will probly aromatize.

Hey Bridge it's great to hear from you again, I wish I could give you some advice and return the favor but it seems you know all there is to know about this stuff. So I've decided to keep my dose at 1.5 g estrogel and 12.5 cypro everyday instead of every other day. I read on some mtf forums that often peoples libido goes away completely in the first few months but often comes back so I'm hoping that will be me. Thanks for reminding me about v**** and cealis I was so freaked out I actually forgot those things existed.

Bridge one thing I really want to know is how important do you think it is for me to add finasteride to my regiment? Do you think I'm missing a big peice or just a small add on? I know I should have low dht now but will it be low enough without finasteride or Dutasteride? The reason I'm hesitant to go on is finasteride gave me brain fog in the past but I would consider trying it again at a reduced dose maybe just 3 times a week or something like that.

Also some days I dont put the estrogel on my scalp at all because I dont want to mess up my hair is that a mistake?

I hope my hair starts thickening again, just as it was getting really good I started a massive shed but it's started to calm down now. I look so much better with hair than without it's ridiculus. Like a completely diffirent person. I really hope I can last for years on this regiment. At least until something else comes along if it ever does.
 

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there is a reson to take sprio and cypro ??
together, its not recommended and with a good cypro dose, not any point to add spironolactone
"even the fact cypros a very weak partial agonist worries me"

Bridge what does this mean - for the most part it helps hair growth but in small part contributes to hairloss?
cypro and spironolactone are basically a weak version of testosterone. much better for it to attach to receptors than Dht or T.

pure antogonists which dont activate AR at all are flutimide and bicalutimide. but also these increase testosterone production.

enzalutimide and darolutimide are pure antogonists which don't increase test prodyction.. but these must be ordered in powder form from China
 

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I read on some mtf forums that often peoples libido goes away completely in the first few months but often comes back so I'm hoping that will be me.
It will come back once the nipples start feeling pleasurable ;) lol
Bridge one thing I really want to know is how important do you think it is for me to add finasteride to my regiment?
The cypro E combo is more important (I've seen one trans case of regrowth with only spironolactone plus E) and you should have really low Dht with this regimen already, so it could be enough. but I still think finasteride is important cause 5ar is literally produced by our own follicles, it is a local problem and its possible to have overall low T and high androgen activity in the scalp specifically.. thats why you can sometimes see guys with man boobs and hairloss, aromatase is higher in breast area and 5ar high in scalp area.
The reason I'm hesitant to go on is finasteride gave me brain fog in the past but I would consider trying it again at a reduced dose maybe just 3 times a week or something like that.
you probably got brain fog from the reduced neurosteriods. try adding some progesterone with it (take before bed) and that should combine with remaining 5ar, which will boost neurosteriods and lower 5ar even more at same time
Also some days I dont put the estrogel on my scalp at all because I dont want to mess up my hair is that a mistake?
its fine sometimes to switch up where its rubbed. I'd rub it on different locations sometimes for absorption.
 

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The cypro E combo is more important (I've seen one trans case of regrowth with only spironolactone plus E) and you should have really low Dht with this regimen already, so it could be enough. but I still think finasteride is important cause 5ar is literally produced by our own follicles, it is a local problem and its possible to have overall low T and high androgen activity in the scalp specifically.. thats why you can sometimes see guys with man boobs and hairloss, aromatase is higher in breast area and 5ar high in scalp area.

Man thanks again for the info, I swear you could write a book with all the knoledge you have now. Allright you convinced me about finasteride, I just took 1.25 g of finasteride. I'm not sure how many days a week I will take it for. Your explanation makes a lot of sense so I'm all in.


you probably got brain fog from the reduced neurosteriods. try adding some progesterone with it (take before bed) and that should combine with remaining 5ar, which will boost neurosteriods and lower 5ar even more at same time

Great thanks for the idea. I'm definitley going to try that if the brain fog returns. do you think 5 mg a day would be enough?
 

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together, its not recommended and with a good cypro dose, not any point to add spironolactone

cypro and spironolactone are basically a weak version of testosterone. much better for it to attach to receptors than Dht or T.

pure antogonists which dont activate AR at all are flutimide and bicalutimide. but also these increase testosterone production.

enzalutimide and darolutimide are pure antogonists which don't increase test prodyction.. but these must be ordered in powder form from China

then flutamide with estrogen is not useful for baldness?
 

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Man thanks again for the info, I swear you could write a book with all the knoledge you have now.
hmmmm, maybe I should :rolleyes:
$$$$$$$

I just took 1.25 g of finasteride.
o_O I hope you mean mg :p

Great thanks for the idea. I'm definitley going to try that if the brain fog returns. do you think 5 mg a day would be enough?
5mg finasteride or P? progesterone usually comes in doses of 50mg and 100mg. also it should be cycled, so like 10-15 days a month.

then flutamide with estrogen is not useful for baldness?
Its very useful for baldness but bica is safer and effective at lower doses.

They both increase T but that can be counteracted by estrogen by some extant
 

Guido

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hmmmm, maybe I should :rolleyes:
$$$$$$$


o_O I hope you mean mg :p


5mg finasteride or P? progesterone usually comes in doses of 50mg and 100mg. also it should be cycled, so like 10-15 days a month.


Its very useful for baldness but bica is safer and effective at lower doses.

They both increase T but that can be counteracted by estrogen by some extant


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What do you predict with my current status? 500mg flutamide daily regimen, 1 mg finasteride daily, 4 mg estradiol daily, minoxidil 5% fos times, ketoconaxol every day shampoo.
you add spironolactone?

25 mg of bicalutamide is sufficient, it is very expensive in Argentina. that's why I use flutamide
if I use 25 mg bicalutamide and 125 mg of flutamide + finasteride and the 4 mg of estradiol? what do you think?
 
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What do you predict with my current status? 500mg flutamide daily regimen, 1 mg finasteride daily, 4 mg estradiol daily, minoxidil 5% fos times, ketoconaxol every day shampoo.
you add spironolactone?

25 mg of bicalutamide is sufficient, it is very expensive in Argentina. that's why I use flutamide
if I use 25 mg bicalutamide and 125 mg of flutamide + finasteride and the 4 mg of estradiol? what do you think?

Are you crazy? I genuinely can't see any miniaturisation in any of the pics you posted..
 

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It will come back once the nipples start feeling pleasurable ;) lol

The cypro E combo is more important (I've seen one trans case of regrowth with only spironolactone plus E) and you should have really low Dht with this regimen already, so it could be enough. but I still think finasteride is important cause 5ar is literally produced by our own follicles, it is a local problem and its possible to have overall low T and high androgen activity in the scalp specifically.. thats why you can sometimes see guys with man boobs and hairloss, aromatase is higher in breast area and 5ar high in scalp area.

you probably got brain fog from the reduced neurosteriods. try adding some progesterone with it (take before bed) and that should combine with remaining 5ar, which will boost neurosteriods and lower 5ar even more at same time

its fine sometimes to switch up where its rubbed. I'd rub it on different locations sometimes for absorption.
 

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Good morning Bridgeburn!! Welcome back!! I'm currently on 10 mg of loniten..5 of advodart and 4 mg of estrogen.2mg one in morning and one at night.I also divide the loniten pill half in morning half at night.Was thinking of adding bicalumtide.What dose you think I should hould start at?
 

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[QUOTE = "BetaBoy, publicación: 1717570, miembro: 132465"] ¿Estás loco? Realmente no puedo ver ninguna miniaturización en ninguna de las fotos que publicaste .. [/ QUOTE]

.my twin brother has a large frontal recession and his crown is weak, I am so that I use finasteride and minoxidil since the 22 ... but my hair is losing volume with my crown is not the same as young.
that's why my current regime I hope to stop baldness completely. I have tickets and my wet crown does not look good.
 

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[QUOTE = "BetaBoy, publicación: 1717570, miembro: 132465"] ¿Estás loco? Realmente no puedo ver ninguna miniaturización en ninguna de las fotos que publicaste .. [/ QUOTE]
my twin brother has a large frontal recession and his crown is weak, I am so that I use finasteride and minoxidil since the 22 ... but my hair is losing volume with my crown is not the same as young.
that's why my current regime I hope to stop baldness completely. I have tickets and my wet crown does not look good.
 

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What do you predict with my current status? 500mg flutamide daily regimen, 1 mg finasteride daily, 4 mg estradiol daily, minoxidil 5% fos times, ketoconaxol every day shampoo.
you add spironolactone?

25 mg of bicalutamide is sufficient, it is very expensive in Argentina. that's why I use flutamide
if I use 25 mg bicalutamide and 125 mg of flutamide + finasteride and the 4 mg of estradiol? what do you think?
Sorry, what do you have to complain about?
 

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It will come back once the nipples start feeling pleasurable ;) lol

The cypro E combo is more important (I've seen one trans case of regrowth with only spironolactone plus E) and you should have really low Dht with this regimen already, so it could be enough. but I still think finasteride is important cause 5ar is literally produced by our own follicles, it is a local problem and its possible to have overall low T and high androgen activity in the scalp specifically.. thats why you can sometimes see guys with man boobs and hairloss, aromatase is higher in breast area and 5ar high in scalp area.

you probably got brain fog from the reduced neurosteriods. try adding some progesterone with it (take before bed) and that should combine with remaining 5ar, which will boost neurosteriods and lower 5ar even more at same time

its fine sometimes to switch up where its rubbed. I'd rub it on different locations sometimes for absorption.
Hey bridgeburn do u think i would benefit from using estrogel a few times a week on the scalp to encourage regrowth? Im already on propecia and minoxidil and have noticed a difference. My hair would grow thin and patchy on top but growth now seems to have evened out. TIA
 
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Sorry, what do you have to complain about?
my hair does not stop falling ... every time I shower I lose 50 hair ... my twin brother is worse and does not use anything that is why I tried to do something ... I was also diagnosed alopecia androgenetoca at 22 from there I use finasteride I also want to change sex
in those photos the hair benefitted ... if I compare it with 4 years ago it is finer and the entries more pronounced ... at 20 I had a woman's frontal line
Perdón, ¿de qué tienes que quejarte?
Sorry, what do you have to complain about?
in those photos the hair benefitted ... if I compare it with 4 years ago it is finer and the entries more pronounced ... at 20 I had a woman's frontal line




with my regimen of flutamide, fonasteride, estradiol, minoxidilmi hair is still street and thinning before was thick hard, not with that I should improve I think my regime is good .... almost like castration ... I have bald genes my brother is twin and this is much worse, big tickets and potentially thin pate I'm 27 .... and I want to change the sex, that's why I worry ... every time I shower, I fall like 40 hair
 

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@bridgeburn Do you know of anything that can increase the Aromatase Enzyme? (CYP19)

I can't afford nor can I even have access to Estrogen, which sucks; Does anyone know how to increase Aromatase? because from the extensive reasearch I'm in the midst of, it seems that almost everything out there is an Aromatase Inhibitor, hell even Soy Isoflavones and Linseed Lignans are proven to be Aromatase Inhibitiors, and Estrogen Receptor Down-regulators...

Does anyone know how to increase Aromatase Enzyme, and subsecquently Estrogen, prefereably without the involvement of prescription drugs, because where I am, I can't justify wanting a female hormone, as a man....

Thanks
 
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