Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Pls_NW-1]

Do you know anything about Almas? Plus Plz has disappeared. Were they the same person? Not likely since Plz spoke perfect English without Google Translate. I send a prayer out for you Almas. May your hair dreams all come true.

Janey

I am there, just lurking xD and no. We're not the same person

 

[Solxama]

Ha. The psychologist in my custody case noted that my body hair removal and "cross-dressing" in private, were bad for my "children" so we are far from fully evolved over here.

I remember reading in history exactly what you are saying about Russians. At first, Stalin was proclaiming that all should fight the Germans for communism but then as many in the Ukraine and other peripheral areas seemed not to care or to view them initially as liberators, he switched to fighting for "Mother Russia" which seems to have inspired the masses far more than fighting for an economic system.

Don't get me started on the Book of Revelation. Luther left it out of his proposed Bible and only that book, He even stuck with the Book of James. I have read the Bible twice all the way through both in order and then in chronological order which gives a much fuller perspective. People in the South often only want to talk about Revelation and my mother in her 80's still thinks she will never die since Christ is coming back. If they, lol, are coming back, Jesus should love my hair, unlike St. Paul who forbade long-hair to men since to him, it was a chick-thing and he wasn't a huge fan of women to begin with.

I am not worried about talking about some of these other things besides since our discussion is pretty damn high-level and right now, you, EXP, and me seem to be the main three even checking in. Plus, note my Biblical references to hair loss and my reference to baldness as the Mediterranean disease that formerly Asians, Siberians. Africans and Native Americans all lacked and still mostly do. Hey, with your background in sci-fi and extreme intelligence you will enjoy HRT just for the intellectual exercise if nothing else. Everyone but us is ultimately a mere mortal and can't know, won't know what this feels like and what a rush renewal even as a new gender can be, once one gets past "how humiliating this must be". But then again, baldness can be pretty humiliating too when you bald as 20 and Dad has a full head of hair now still at 82. I will pass him and so, so close....

Janey/Will

What a clown that psychologist lol. Unfortunately people like that are everywhere, as gender roles have been an integral part of hierarchical society for centuries, so they are pretty hard coded into some peoples heads. One can only hope that in the future this will change, and everybody will be able to freely express themselves. As for myself, I don't really feel the need to cross-dress into fully female clothes, but I would like to wear some more androgynous clothing, like I really like the hippie style for example, or for a more modern style, some outfits of the femboy style appeal to me, like a oversized hoodie with jeans for example. Also generally colorful stuff, not boring and bland like most men wear. Believe me or not, even these kinds of outfits could potentially cause a bad reaction in my country, especially in my small town.

As for other stuff considered feminine that I would like to do more freely, that's for example better body hair removal then shaving, being able to express my emotions more openly in public, taking care of my skin, nails and generally my body in a more feminine way.

That's right with Stalin, he knew that the only way to raise morale was to appeal to Slavic culture and traditions as most average people in the USSR didn't really understand what communism even is. Stalin himself was also fascinated with Slavic and Russian history, for example he admired and compared himself to Ivan the Terrible and Peter the Great, because of this some historians call him the "Red Tsar".

Saint Paul is for me a controversial figure in Christianity, some of his ideas are pretty bizarre and not very Christ like, like for example the woman thing you mentioned, as Jesus himself held women in high regard, an example of this is his relations with Mary Magdalene. And it's very hypocritical of Paul to talk about the short hear ideal, as Jesus himself had long hair lol.

For the humiliation thing, I don't consider being a feminine male something humiliating so I don't really care about looking more feminine, in fact I would welcome most of the potential effects of HRT (Well there is the gyno issue, but I won't go into that again now.). On the other hand, balding I very much do find humiliating. Even my Dad, who is now in his 60s, is pretty insecure about it. Every time I bring it up to him he becomes sad and sometimes angry. He copes with saying it's natural, that he doesn't understand why I care so much about hair, that it's a normal male thing to be bald etc. but his insecurity can be seen pretty easily. To his defense I can say that at least he's not hostile about it, in contrast to some other family members of mine that went as far as to laugh at me at family gatherings when I started balding, saying stuff like "You look so similar to your father, you're even gonna have a shiny head like he does soon" and exploding into fits of laughter. I forgave them and don't hold it against them anymore, but I have stopped relations with that side of my family as they are pretty toxic people in general.

 

[Norwoody]

He might have got banned for the "goodbye" and "last plan" for insinuating suicide, but idk if that's like a major rule or what.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

So Almas just got nixed and nobody remembers any infraction? He was asking for money but that was months ago I thought. How's your status, Mr. Lurker?

Status: Losing hair lmao

 

[Pls_NW-1]

When's HRT start date? You have to start writing double now that Almas is gone. You were always my favorite<winks>

Uhm,...

I tried to forget about that thought... and I did so. HRT is nothing for me, I shouldn't see it as a recourse or my last resort. It's just... not meant for me. HRT is only meant for people who have gender issues or hormonal problems/illnesses. And not for me, a cis-"teenage-boy" (lol), loosing his hair. (Tho I might have to take HRT, as in, taking Cortisol, if I do have an underlying issue with my adrenal gland...)

I honestly want to build someday muscle, and Testosterone is needed for that xD, so it's not pretty ideally to just..., destroy it, and probably, for ever... if I do so.

I re-thought everything, and honestly...

Yes, hair is very important, especially for the younger folks, but hey, your health, esp. your male health, is also (more) important.
Honestly, I would rather lose my hair, than my d*ck, and I am not really interested into sexual things, I think I am some sort of asexual.

From nowadays on I am not even allowed to take Finasteride anymore. So I wouldn't like to take some more harsh stuff, hormone-altering pills.

Have to currently deal with my sickness and check if I really got a mutation or a tumor in/on my adrenal gland.

To put it in short: I seriously hate my life, teenager don't have to go through this, school is already hard on you, other things like congregations, paper stuff n' authorities... AND SICKNESSES... It's all just too much for your mental health, sometimes I am questioning my existance. So I just stopped posting on this forum and try to ignore it. I try to see the positive things..., but it's... pretty damn HARD!

And honestly, I can see myself being dead at one point, be it from sicknesses, physical and psychical health etc...

Hope you understand my points, I made here. And I hope they are also clear enough,

Emanuel ^ !

 

[Norwoody]

Uhm,...

I tried to forget about that thought... and I did so. HRT is nothing for me, I shouldn't see it as a recourse or my last resort. It's just... not meant for me. HRT is only meant for people who have gender issues or hormonal problems/illnesses. And not for me, a cis-"teenage-boy" (lol), loosing his hair. (Tho I might have to take HRT, as in, taking Cortisol, if I do have an underlying issue with my adrenal gland...)

I honestly want to build someday muscle, and Testosterone is needed for that xD, so it's not pretty ideally to just..., destroy it, and probably, for ever... if I do so.

I re-thought everything, and honestly...

Yes, hair is very important, especially for the younger folks, but hey, your health, esp. your male health, is also (more) important.
Honestly, I would rather lose my hair, than my d*ck, and I am not really interested into sexual things, I think I am some sort of asexual.

From nowadays on I am not even allowed to take Finasteride anymore. So I wouldn't like to take some more harsh stuff, hormone-altering pills.

Have to currently deal with my sickness and check if I really got a mutation or a tumor in/on my adrenal gland.

To put it in short: I seriously hate my life, teenager don't have to go through this, school is already hard on you, other things like congregations, paper stuff n' authorities... AND SICKNESSES... It's all just too much for your mental health, sometimes I am questioning my existance. So I just stopped posting on this forum and try to ignore it. I try to see the positive things..., but it's... pretty damn HARD!

And honestly, I can see myself being dead at one point, be it from sicknesses, physical and psychical health etc...

Hope you understand my points, I made here. And I hope they are also clear enough,

Emanuel ^ !

But my... my sweet milkers....

 

[KNemo]

My pick is you stopping spamming the same f*****g pictures everywhere and get a grip.

WE. HAVE. SEEN. THEM. WE. DON'T. WANT. THEM. AGAIN.

 

[Solxama]

My pick is you stopping spamming the same f*****g pictures everywhere and get a grip.

WE. HAVE. SEEN. THEM. WE. DON'T. WANT. THEM. AGAIN.

I see some of Janey's posts have been deleted. Although my discussion with Janey was interesting, I can imagine it could be annoying to some other users. I already agreed with the proposition that we should start an off-topic thread about all the stuff we were talking about, but she continued on here so I just went with it. I will try not go off-topic too much in the future.

@Pls_NW-1 , I hope you get better soon, and your health improves. Although I never had any serious illness besides asthma, my mum's health has been really bad for the past 15 years, so I can empathize with you, especially since you are going through all of this as a teen. Try to have hope and believe everything will work out. Faith is very important, don't loose it and things will be ok

 

[Solxama]

Apparently you can delete your own posts on hairlosstalk. I'll delete some of the more off-topic ones as to not sh*t up the thread for potential new users or lurkers.

Edit : Well I deleted some really off-topic posts, I left the ones with regimen or hair talk in them. But still, without Janey's posts the last two pages look weird.

Sigh...I did my best to make it look somewhat presentable, and once again sorry for the off-topic.

 

[KNemo]

Apparently you can delete your own posts on hairlosstalk. I'll delete some of the more off-topic ones as to not sh*t up the thread for potential new users or lurkers.

Edit : Well I deleted some really off-topic posts, I left the ones with regimen or hair talk in them. But still, without Janey's posts the last two pages look weird.

Sigh...I did my best to make it look somewhat presentable, and once again sorry for the off-topic.

I don't mind some off topic discussions that can be interesting as long as it doesn't interrupt something else. The problem is Janey posting pictures of themselves repeatedly even if not prompted to do so or relevant, not only that but at least most of the time it's the same pictures that's been posted repeatedly in in the same thread and also in a lot of other threads.

 

[Solxama]

I don't mind some off topic discussions that can be interesting as long as it doesn't interrupt something else. The problem is Janey posting pictures of themselves repeatedly even if not prompted to do so or relevant, not only that but at least most of the time it's the same pictures that's been posted repeatedly in in the same thread and also in a lot of other threads.

Thank you for being understanding, @KNemo , but since Janey's posts are gone, I decided to delete some of mine as it basically looks like me talking with myself. Adding to that, maybe you didn't mind the off-topic stuff, but something did bother you (Her pictures in this case), so I apologized just in case as I'm new here, and I want to be respectful to other users and the whole community. Also, I want to avoid any drama or disagreement, and like I said there might be potential new users or lurkers who could find the last few pages confusing.

BTW, are you taking 1mg of E, or is that your Fina dose? It looks a bit confusing in your regimen tab, and I'm interested that if that amount is E, what are the effects of such a low dose on hair?

 

[KNemo]

Thank you for being understanding, @KNemo , but since Janey's posts are gone, I decided to delete some of mine as it basically looks like me talking with myself. Adding to that, maybe you didn't mind the off-topic stuff, but something did bother you (Her pictures in this case), so I apologized just in case as I'm new here, and I want to be respectful to other users and the whole community Also I want to avoid any drama or disagreement, and like I said there might be potential new users or lurkers who could find the last few pages confusing.

BTW, are you taking 1mg of E, or is that your Fina dose? It looks a bit confusing in your regimen tab, and I'm interested that if that amount is E, what are the effects of such a low dose on hair?

It's the finasteride dose. Estradiol dose is 200mcg patches plus some gel mixed into topical minoxidil which is enough to reduce testosterone to castrate levels and raise estradiol to around 200pg/ml.
Have greatly improved my diffuse thinning, totally recovered a bare vertex bald spot and significantly improved hairline.
Recently reduced doses for a while returning to a good male testosterone level without any sign of shedding.

I'll update the regimen for clarity.

 

[Solxama]

It's the finasteride dose. Estradiol dose is 200mcg patches plus some gel mixed into topical minoxidil which is enough to reduce testosterone to castrate levels and raise estradiol to around 200pg/ml.
Have greatly improved my diffuse thinning, totally recovered a bare vertex bald spot and significantly improved hairline.
Recently reduced doses for a while returning to a good male testosterone level without any sign of shedding.

I'll update the regimen for clarity.

That's interesting, so basically you have no need for any AAs. How's your gyno BTW, is it bad?

 

[Jacob Williams]

Unfortunately my regimen is failing me. Currently on 150mg bicalutamide, 0.5mg dutasteride, 2mg estradiol, and 10mg oral minoxidil. Not really sure where to go from here.

 

[Jacob Williams]

Could you maybe post pictures of your hair?

 

[Jacob Williams]

My temples have actually fared pretty well. I’m a textbook diffuse thinner. Hair is almost translucent in places under the sun. I guess I’m fortunate that you can still barely tell I’m balding from the front though.

 

[Gergely]

Unfortunately my regimen is failing me. Currently on 150mg bicalutamide, 0.5mg dutasteride, 2mg estradiol, and 10mg oral minoxidil. Not really sure where to go from here.

Did you had any blood test done recently?

 

[Solxama]

@Jacob Williams , your hair still looks great, I wish I had hair like that . Don't worry too much about it and have hope, I'm sure you will find something that works.

Anyway, I got some news for everyone here : I have decided as to my future regimen. If I do nothing I won't be able to forgive myself but I also want real results, not staying NW3 for ever. This is why I have decided to take the nuclear option. This is the plan :

1. First I am going to get on Finasteride as soon as possible, I'll ask my doctor for a prescription tomorrow, so even before I leave my country, I'll be able to buy 2-3 boxes as that's the maximum I'll most likely get on one prescription.

2. As soon as I arrive in the UK, I'm going to order Bica and Estrogel, I'll start with 50mg Bica and small amounts of E2 (0.75-2mg) on my balding crown and temples. I'll go easy first, to try and minimize gyno.

3. If the effects are not satisfactory or too slow, I will up the dose of E2 to full HRT doses (2-6mg), stay on it long enough to get good gains and then try to maintain them with Fina or Duta if Fina does not work well for me. If balding resumes, I will most likely start cycling HRT for the foreseeable future.

As for the gyno, I have decided to just accept that some amount of it is inevitable. I am pretty skinny, my weight at this point is 59kg, so in theory if I stay this way, there should not be enough fat to create big breast growth. If the gyno does start really bothering me, I might take breaks in using HRT and try to reduce it between cycles with stuff like Raloxifene, something similar to what nWo Wolfpack did. To be honest the gyno thing doesn't really bother me as much personally as long as it's not too bad, it's the reactions of others I fear and the need to hide it. But after thinking about this for the past few days, I have decided to simply stop caring about that anymore, hair is more important to me then people's opinions, even the opinions of my family members. And in the worst case scenario, gyno surgery is actually much cheaper then a hair transplant.

So my future regimen will look something like this to start with : 1mg Fina, 50 mg Bica, and 0.75-2mg Estrogel topically. I might also consider adding topical Minoxidil. If the doses are too low to have a good effect, I will up them and maybe try Duta instead of Fina.

I will keep everybody updated and I'll also take pictures of my progress and post them here. I might also create my own thread to document my treatment.

Thank you so much for inspiring me to take action people of hairlosstalk, thanks to you I have a chance to save my hair!

 

[Jacob Williams]

@Jacob Williams , your hair still looks great, I wish I had hair like that . Don't worry too much about it and have hope, I'm sure you will find something that works.

Anyway, I got some news for everyone here : I have decided as to my future regimen. If I do nothing I won't be able to forgive myself but I also want real results, not staying NW3 for ever. This is why I have decided to take the nuclear option. This is the plan :

1. First I am going to get on Finasteride as soon as possible, I'll ask my doctor for a prescription tomorrow, so even before I leave my country, I'll be able to buy 2-3 boxes as that's the maximum I'll most likely get on one prescription.

2. As soon as I arrive in the UK, I'm going to order Bica and Estrogel, I'll start of with 50mg Bica and small amounts of E2 (0.75-2mg) on my balding crown and temples. I'll go easy first, to try and minimize gyno.

3. If the effects are not satisfactory or too slow, I will up the dose of E2 to full HRT doses (2-6mg), stay on it long enough to get good gains and then try to maintain them with Fina or Duta if Fina does not work well for me. If balding resumes, I will most likely start cycling HRT for the foreseeable future.

As for the gyno, I have decided to just accept that some amount of it is inevitable. I am pretty skinny, my weight at this point is 59kg, so in theory if I stay this way, there should not be enough fat to create big breast growth. If the gyno does start really bothering me, I might take breaks in using HRT and try to reduce it between cycles with stuff like Raloxifene, something similar to what nWo Wolfpack did. To be honest the gyno thing doesn't really bother me as much personally as long as it's not too bad, it's the reactions of others I fear and the need to hide it. But after thinking about this for the past few days, I have decided to simply stop caring about that anymore, hair is more important to me then people"s opinions, even the opinions of my family members. And in the worst case scenario, gyno surgery is actually much cheaper then a hair transplant.

So my future regimen will look something like this to start with : 1mg Fina, 50 mg Bica, and 0.75-2mg Estrogel topically. I might also consider adding topical Minoxidil. If the doses are too low to have a good effect, I will up them and maybe try Duta instead of Fina.

I will keep everybody updated and I'll also take pictures of my progress and post them here. I might also create my own thread to document my treatment.

Thank you so much for inspiring me to take action people of hairlosstalk, thanks to you I have a chance to save my hair!

If you do get gyno surgery pick the right surgeon. The previous train of thought has been that you can’t remove the entire gland and as a result it will just grow back, but there are novel surgery techniques now that can remove the entire gland with the same aesthetic results. My surgeon removed the entire gland and it’s never grown back despite my regimen.

 

[Solxama]

If you do get gyno surgery pick the right surgeon. The previous train of thought has been that you can’t remove the entire gland and as a result it will just grow back, but there are novel surgery techniques now that can remove the entire gland with the same aesthetic results. My surgeon removed the entire gland and it’s never grown back despite my regimen.

Nice! I'll keep that in mind. And it was still probably cheaper then a hair transplant lol.