i want to stay a men but i would like to save my hair, so i need feminize my scalp right ?
spironolactone will be ok for that ?
I take 1mg of fina every day, and more 1g of saw palmetto, with other plants
i want to add too topical duta in my shampoo
Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.
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spironolactone will be ok for that ?
I take 1mg of fina every day, and more 1g of saw palmetto, with other plants
i want to add too topical duta in my shampoo
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I am not the best person to talk to as I only tried finasteride 5mg as of now. I wouldn’t recommend you taking feminizing drugs, but you can start. spironolactone is an idea, yes.
Drop that saw palmetto and the idea of using topical duta.
why for duta topic ?
I think Bicalutamide monotherapy is a better idea then spironolactone. It has a much better safety profile, and on it's own it does not reduce Testosterone levels, and your fertility and erections should be ok. But be aware it does have a risk of small gyno, and some minimal feminization.
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While taking bica, raised liver enzymes are a problem. @tato123 has tried bica and stopped it Ig, due to that.
Gyno is a given, it depends on genetics how bad it gets. Regrowth isn't guaranteed, but halting hair loss could be expected. It's still risky, but oh well, no risk, no fun! Haha
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Where'd Tato go? I miss him. I didn't know that about the bica. And what's your plan again? You amassed all of this knowledge for nothing the way that the world sees things but not Janey. All knowledge, particularly when acquired freely and on purpose is to know the infinite, a tiny bit more towards that goal janey says.
Yes, that's true that it's pretty heavy on the liver. But apparently at doses up to 150mg it's not too bad. Definitely safer then other AAs. But still I will do a liver functions blood test after a month on it, just to be sure everything is ok.
I don't think gyno should be too bad with monotherapy, with doses up to 150mg. Cancer patients tend to get much bigger doses, and most side effect studies are done on them. And yes I agree that every drug has it's risks, even Finasteride. What you do depends on how much you value hair, for me the answer is a lot.
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Once you get some you just want more more more she's says and you won't care if it outs you more hair more boobs, please oh Goddess for whom janey is your solemn acolyte....
I doubt I'll like it, but who knows what the future holds, maybe you are right. Anyway at this point I simply don't care anymore, yes I am a bit anxious about it, but it's better having boobs then being bald, at least for me lol.
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I am off to page one of this thread to re-read it again as I usually hone my own knowledge as calibrated through him.
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You and Rob Winter will always be my heroes because you got me over the hump of my fears and that was breast growth so like you i choose not to notice it. If you didn't exist Janey would have been without options plus you are Zen she says. janeyMy exact regimen changed throughout this thread, however it was always extreme.
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Figured it's time to start a thread and document my hair journey.
I started losing hair sometime between 16-17. I never saw my temples slowly go away, i had long hair and kind of a bushy white mans fro at the time and one day at 17 I lifted it and was shocked to see that my temples were destroyed. I know that a few months before that I had a full head of hair, but at that time I was going through puberty and was super horny and masturbating all the time...
I didn't know about finasteride or this website and believed that once hair is dead, its dead. My hair still looked full when I styled it correctly. It receeded very slowly over the next several years...
I had kinda a Hippie mentality back then, hated society and didnt trust any commercial or pharmaceutical industry, Lol. I thought that Sodium Lauyral Sulfate was the reason because I googled it since i noticed it was literaly listed in almost every shampoo ingredients and many alternative health articles claimed it was the devil..I bought natural sulfate free shampoos.
eventually, i started searching online more. The first things i ever read unfortunately about finasteride were about sexual side effects, brain fog, etc. and I immediately decided No way! If only there was less scaremongering online things could have been different..
I tried minoxidil a couple of times but i wasn't very consistent with it.
I expected my hair to only recceed and thought i could grow my hair long to hide the reccession. But one day i noticed that the hairline was reeceding AND the hair all over ghe top was getting thinner.
Here's a pic from last year which was used as my college ID pic.
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at the time that pic was taken I had been experimenting with the Swiss Temples theory. Swiss Temples was the first thing I found which showed me that its possible to actually get hair back. I knew about that before i knew how powerful feminizing drugs were And everything I searched was focused more on Prostaglandins, I was heavy into the PGD2/Pge2 way of thinking...
I tried dermarolling, lithium chloride, sunlight exposure, castor oil with dmso, stemoxydine, sulfasalazine, miconazole, ...
I spent maybe hundreds of dollars on these and many supplements. also trying Evening primrose oil since i found studies showing omega fatty acids reduce 5ar, vitamin E since there was a study showing reduced pgd2 with the succinate form,... also used tretinoin, sulforaphane, rosemary, Melatonin, caffeine, zinc, green apple peel extract, biotin, taurine, drinking a spoonful of tabasco sauce everyday(yes, I'm serious), soy isoflavones... not sure if i can even remember everything i tried at some point, I even had a schedule to only ejaculate every 6 days, Lol.
I think theres some truth in the Pgd2 theory but I realized that Pgd2 is not the only negative growth factor. Sometimes it seemed like my hair condition approved a little bit. but Im not sure and the hair never continued to get better and my hair become worse despite my treatments.
Finally i gave up on my hope to discover some kinda uncommon hair secret and went with the more established Antiandrogen route. Eventually I learned that extreme regimens might regrow hair. AntyDHTor was a big inspiration. I wanted REAL results, not looking closely in the mirror and getting excited if I think I might see 2 vellus hairs that weren't there before.
I started off really cautious because I was nervous. scared of the effects on the liver from Cypro and worried about growing boobs on Estrogen. starting on June 2nd I took Cyproterone Acetate 50mg and .75mg topical estradiol 2 times a week. I took this about 2 x a week until July 5th. and I started taking dutasteride everyday on June 29th. I may have noticed some fuzzies on my temples during June. but they didn't grow at all or develope. They were very very tiny.
During June, Im not sure if can count as part of my total treatment time. I still had a strong libido, i think it might have been a little bit lower??, but Im not sure. maybe just nocebo.
Anyway, I felt more comfortable and started taking 50mg cypro Everyday on July 5th. Also started minoxidil 2x a day every other day, and estrogel Every Other day. My temples started filling with more fuzzy hairs. I could clearly see them in certain light but when i tried to take pictures even in the same light, my camera couldn't see them. I tried many times. The fuzzies become slowly easier to see, finally about 3 weeks later I was able to capture my fuzzy vellus on camera.
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They became easier to see in certain light over time.
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They were starting to look good under certain lighting but under most normal lighting I still looked Bald as f***!
on July 25th, I switched to taking Estradiol .75mg from Estrogel Everyday. On July 31st I noticed black dot things on my right temple. Use my 3 freckles for reference.
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and then a few days later.. Boom! there's tiny real hairs!
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getting longer...
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This was pretty exciting since my temples had been nothing but just Bare skin for about 9 years!! I was worried that even with an extreme regimen if it was too late..
At that point my results were not yet cosmetically significant.. could be a coincidence but it did seem that right after I switched to using estrogel everyday, results jumped up.
and when i made more extreme switches later results jumped up again.
On July 30th I had taken this first picture below which is the first area I noticed actually getting cosmetically significant under normal lighting.. I noticed the area at the side was darker on my left side. i took pics in the same bathroom during the month of August and it got darker throughout.
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Starting On August 4th I took 100mg of Cypro Everyday for 3 weeks. and then went back down to 50mg. Also sometime in August I switched to using 1.5mg topical Estradiol.
considering ive only been on a decently full dose since July. these results were fast!
Next my right side which was my worse recceded side became more cosmetically significant too on the side part.
on August 31st, I had ran out of cypro and couldn't take any for a week. i still had all the other stuff. I dont feel like my Testosterone returned any during that week and my hair didn't suffer either.
below are pics of my right side. use my freckle as a reference point.
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Sept 9th: Ignore the scratch on my nose.
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Now for the top of the head. you saw my horrible student id photo. my hair has thickened up all over the top now.
here's a couple photos taken during the beginning of treatment in June..
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My hair very very bad!! it was devasting.
Now heres a pic of the top taken Sept. 24th:
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My hair became much healthier after those 3 months. I know that it is longer in the Sept pic but believe me it is thicker and it wouldn't even grow much at all before this treatment!!! It would fall out before getting longer or become extremely wirey and thin at the ends.
Temples have tiny dark thin hairs and they can be seen if looking very closely. They are slowly becoming longer. My left temple has responded better.
Heres some pics of it from August until end of September. I was standing in the same location in my home when i took these except for the first one.
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temple hairs have gotten a little longer since this last photo but Im not sure if they are any thicker, i think i have to wait until the next cycle. I still havent been on an my extreme regimen that long. less than 6 months. so im looking forward to the future!
Ok, I know people will criticize and think I'm crazy. As Anty used to say, " I have the sides in my ***".
Ask me anything you want about the other effects of this regimen.
I'm not reccomending this extreme strategy to anyone unless they truly understand what to expect from it and are actually willing to accept it. If any cis males are tempted to try, it might be a good idea to get sperm frozen unless youre positive of not wanting kids and also to save up money for gyno surgery.
ok, Ill keep this updated. hopefully it gets better.
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I'm going to start posting pics from different viewpoints since I now have the confidence to. Most of time I haven't shown my right temple up close and only from a distance because the center of it has not responded as well. But lately it has been responding more and catching up. it looks like this close up under a bright light.
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sometimes I feel like results are slow but thats really not the case at all. I was also looking at multiple pics of my hair from this summer and I realize I had forgotten just how horrible I looked only a short time ago!!
Focus on those 2 freckles on my temple in the pic above as reference points and it can be seen how much has been grown on slick bald areas! I took this pic at the end of July when I was still very early into treatment and without any cosmetically significant gains yet:
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also my skin looked more shitty back then, lol. I have 3 freckles on my right temple, now the 3rd one which is the highest is covered by hair and the 2nd one is starting to get covered.
The difference between these 2 pics is 4.5 months!!
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mostly I have only been posting super close ups on my left temple because the results could not be shown as well from a distance other than that section at the side. I know that my left temple looks amazing super close up in the right lighting, but from even a little distance it honestly still looked very bald!!
it also looks much thicker if it is wet with minoxidil.
I have wrote about this before so don't be decieved by those previous pictures and overestimate. but finally I am able to faintly see my new hairline appearing on my left side even from a further distance
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I took both of these new pics 2 days ago.
one more thing, it seems I got a ton of hairs between my hairline in front of my ears and my eyebrows o.o this area is probably from the minoxidil.
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I popped a diane-35 for 2 weeks and continued to use 1.5mg estrogel as well... breasts are sore
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pic on the right is 12/29/2017
6 months difference!
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Goddess has a plan for all of us and I mean that. Maybe not hair but look at Mike Emmental. He went from goofy almost bald guy to grizzled but tough and manly like men used to be, and less hair there makes you look like don't mess with me anyone and some times that's a good think she says.This is a beautiful well-written post. I couldn't have said it better.
And it's so true. Sometimes I wish I could relive the last ten years of my life somehow with the guarantee of a full head of hair for that time. What would it be like to not hate the wind for revealing my secret, I can't even remember. I honestly like the way wind feels but I don't enjoy that simple pleasure because of this bullshit. How can anyone possibly think its funny?!!!!!
Never have i wanted something so badly. when I see on the news images of evil people like terrorists or nazi leaders who happen to have a full head of hair I get so f*****g infuriated and dream about peeling off their scalp with a knife.
f*** alopecia, Its so fucked up. People dont think of it serious at all. but depression is serious, and hairloss causes depression, Hahahaha. and in me it caused an obsession.
I do the same thing to be honest, I sometimes go back to the first pages of this thread just to once again see those amazing results Bridge had.
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The Stunning werewolf guy anti made me not try oral min for a while and I was getting a bit too hairy already for my tastes yikes go both will and jane.
I might use topical Minoxidil at some point, but I don't think I'll go oral. It's just a big pain to get into the UK, I would have to order it at the other side of the world and it would take weeks or even months to come here, same situation as with CPA. Plus the risk of more body hair makes me scared. It's really dysphoric for me. I could never wear shorts for years until I started shaving, as I couldn't even stand looking at my hairy legs
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Wait until the illeism sets in as a short-cut memory device. It feels like I am doing it on purpose but am I? I honestly don't know and Will went one toke over the line sweet Goddess, one toke over the line, sitting downtown in a railway station one toke over the line? Love that song she gloats, Will too.I might use topical Minoxidil at some point, but I don't think I'll go oral. It's just a big pain to get into the UK, I would have to order it at the other side of the world and it would take weeks or even months to come here, same situation as with CPA. Plus the risk of more body hair makes me scared. It's really dysphoric for me. I could never wear shorts for years until I started shaving, as I couldn't stand even stand looking at my hairy legs
I kind of don't mind your illeism, it make you unique, and conversations with you are interesting, even more so with your quirks
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I think many people exaggerate the effects of HRT on the body. Although it certainly is, it is also individual
If my body ended up looking like that I would be pretty happy. Even the persons breast growth looks quite acceptable and easy to hide in those pictures.