Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[JaneyElizabeth]

You followed me closely, you know I tried everything a lot, I tried to see how far an XY could go, and I'm getting to that point.

I used a lot of things in that time, bicalutamide, flutamide, CPA, E2, spirolactone, I participated in all the side effects and I was putting in the balance what was acceptable to me.

But I try to expose as much information as possible.

I mean I always come here and post pictures, because I know the pain of losing our hair.

It's who we are, it's part of our personality, and what I can do to help, will I do it, what do I want in return?

See you happy.

Thanks for the support.




Qui judicatis terram, discite.

I think you, and Almas and Gergely and I have done a huge amount to illustrate bicalutamide and it's limitations when used alone or even in conjunction with E2. The combo seems far more physically feminizing in terms of strength but not in terms of hair restoration necessarily. With spironolactone, I was always exhausted and it relented the day I stopped spironolactone. I tested it this summer again for like three days and still, no go. I can't walk stairs or push the Goddess-damn lawn mower anymore with a regime of both spironolactone and E2. In general, Janey is treated far better than original Will and still better than Will in male drag and mostly restored hair. These differences are fascinating sociologically.

 

[tato123]

You don't struggle much at all in terms of coverage. What you lack is the flexible texture and free flowing aspect of white juvenile hair. I am getting that back increasingly and I often try to advise non-MtF XY's that there is no "male" method that will allow one to wear one's hair long without at least some frizziness and the lack of anagen even for males with coverage can defeat all attempts to wear their hair long even with coverage. I also coined the term SOS or Son of Sam hair for the phenomenon of complete XY coverage that actually looks far worse and less neat that NW7 baldness. Everyone assumes coverage means "better" hair. It most certainly does not.

I fear that you need to be exposed to higher E2 levels and possible breast growth to go much further but you are a good looking guy regardless and you are one of the nicest people I know. You never attack anyone and unlike me, your get your points across far more subtly but Janey's too young and innocent literally from 2nd puberty that there's a huge "watch me, everybody!" aspect that I find endearing and others might see as contrived and cloying. Janey says, yes, that's sort of the point. Janey's a different person from Will pretty much top to bottom although we share most memories in common not related to abuse where things can be largely blocked for Will but available for Janey to process since "she" didn't actually go through these experiences.

Goddess bless,
Janey

My hair only had this texture when I was a child, after my adolescence my hair changed its texture a lot.

But my hair is soft, hydrated and swaying in the wind, but of course it's not straight hair because I have a Mediterranean background.

My hair is like Frodo hobbit in Lord of the Rings', Similar, I think his makes more curls.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

You followed me closely, you know I tried everything a lot, I tried to see how far an XY could go, and I'm getting to that point.

I used a lot of things in that time, bicalutamide, flutamide, CPA, E2, spirolactone, I participated in all the side effects and I was putting in the balance what was acceptable to me.

But I try to expose as much information as possible.

I mean I always come here and post pictures, because I know the pain of losing our hair.

It's who we are, it's part of our personality, and what I can do to help, will I do it, what do I want in return?

See you happy.

Thanks for the support.




Qui judicatis terram, discite.

I hate when people use Latin phrases that I don't know, ceteris paribus vel non, res ipsa loquiter and post hoc ergo propter hoc, so to speak. Lawyers here keep it going in terms of using it for no reason except jargon and it serves as a type of membership in the lawyer club, interregnum and all.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

My hair only had this texture when I was a child, after my adolescence my hair changed its texture a lot.

But my hair is soft, hydrated and swaying in the wind, but of course it's not straight hair because I have a Mediterranean background.

My hair is like Frodo hobbit in Lord of the Rings', Similar, I think his makes more curls.

Mine is getting long and curly similar to Bridge's which is astounding at almost 57. I have pursued this for life after I identified estrogen as the only cure back in 1984 and it never changed. It was more the challenge of full restoration at an advanced age and the amazing rejuvenative effects. People DM me and say I look eh, 39 she says and Will agrees. This is as joyous as all males on here might expect it to be and it doesn't diminish like most joyful states. The rest of my life I will cherish my new hair after four decades almost of eh, mediocre, partially balding hair. I continue posting pics on Hair is Not life and I know you leave remarks which I really appreciate.

 

[tato123]

You don't struggle much at all in terms of coverage. What you lack is the flexible texture and free flowing aspect of white juvenile hair. I am getting that back increasingly and I often try to advise non-MtF XY's that there is no "male" method that will allow one to wear one's hair long without at least some frizziness and the lack of anagen even for males with coverage can defeat all attempts to wear their hair long even with coverage. I also coined the term SOS or Son of Sam hair for the phenomenon of complete XY coverage that actually looks far worse and less neat that NW7 baldness. Everyone assumes coverage means "better" hair. It most certainly does not.

I fear that you need to be exposed to higher E2 levels and possible breast growth to go much further but you are a good looking guy regardless and you are one of the nicest people I know. You never attack anyone and unlike me, your get your points across far more subtly but Janey's too young and innocent literally from 2nd puberty that there's a huge "watch me, everybody!" aspect that I find endearing and others might see as contrived and cloying. Janey says, yes, that's sort of the point. Janey's a different person from Will pretty much top to bottom although we share most memories in common not related to abuse where things can be largely blocked for Will but available for Janey to process since "she" didn't actually go through these experiences.

Goddess bless,
Janey

Also very well remembered, my hair improves the texture a lot when I'm using more E2, it looks like the hair of the women in my family, few waves very soft, very anagen.

The Problem is what high e2 levels do to me.

But this is real, hair texture improves!

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I hate when people use Latin phrases that I don't know, ceteris paribus vel non, res ipsa loquiter and post hoc ergo propter hoc, so to speak. Lawyers here keep it going in terms of using it for no reason except jargon and it serves as a type of membership in the lawyer club, interregnum and all.

Can you usually decipher Latin just from being a Romance language speaker? We also have Law French which is fascinating as it lacks gender and changes in articles unlike French. Le Mort d'Artur is a prime example.

 

[tato123]

Mine is getting long and curly similar to Bridge's which is astounding at almost 57. I have pursued this for life after I identified estrogen as the only cure back in 1984 and it never changed. It was more the challenge of full restoration at an advanced age and the amazing rejuvenative effects. People DM me and say I look eh, 39 she says and Will agrees. This is as joyous as all males on here might expect it to be and it doesn't diminish like most joyful states. The rest of my life I will cherish my new hair after four decades almost of eh, mediocre, partially balding hair. I continue posting pics on Hair is Not life and I know you leave remarks which I really appreciate.

You don't struggle much at all in terms of coverage. What you lack is the flexible texture and free flowing aspect of white juvenile hair. I am getting that back increasingly and I often try to advise non-MtF XY's that there is no "male" method that will allow one to wear one's hair long without at least some frizziness and the lack of anagen even for males with coverage can defeat all attempts to wear their hair long even with coverage. I also coined the term SOS or Son of Sam hair for the phenomenon of complete XY coverage that actually looks far worse and less neat that NW7 baldness. Everyone assumes coverage means "better" hair. It most certainly does not.

I fear that you need to be exposed to higher E2 levels and possible breast growth to go much further but you are a good looking guy regardless and you are one of the nicest people I know. You never attack anyone and unlike me, your get your points across far more subtly but Janey's too young and innocent literally from 2nd puberty that there's a huge "watch me, everybody!" aspect that I find endearing and others might see as contrived and cloying. Janey says, yes, that's sort of the point. Janey's a different person from Will pretty much top to bottom although we share most memories in common not related to abuse where things can be largely blocked for Will but available for Janey to process since "she" didn't actually go through these experiences.

Goddess bless,
Janey

Your results are motivating my friend, thank you for always sharing and always being open-hearted, I feel honored by your words, thank you

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Also very well remembered, my hair improves the texture a lot when I'm using more E2, it looks like the hair of the women in my family, few waves very soft, very anagen.

The Problem is what high e2 levels do to me.

But this is real, hair texture improves!

Have you gotten above 100 pg/ml in E2 levels? Many seem to get no improvement without visible feminization which was my experience and only once I said, my boobs are in your hands, Goddess, come what may, did my hair finally regrow. Goddess threw in the nice tits for free says Janey. If you can show marginal improvement from non-feminizing amounts say facially and body-wise, then that is incredibly valuable anecdotally because we go back and forth about whether Estrogel on the hair is important to either results or their rapidity.

 

[tato123]

Have you gotten above 100 pg/ml in E2 levels? Many seem to get no improvement without visible feminization which was my experience and only once I said, my boobs are in your hands, Goddess, come what may, did my hair finally regrow. Goddess threw in the nice tits for free says Janey. If you can show marginal improvement from non-feminizing amounts say facially and body-wise, then that is incredibly valuable anecdotally because we go back and forth about whether Estrogel on the hair is important to either results or their rapidity.

Yes, I remembered you a lot, low doses of E2 if not done carefully cause long-term breast enlargement, nipple growth, I could see it before and lower the dose, but this is also real, it seems that the body accumulates or signals different when you've been on e2 for a long time, so it's true low doses of E2 can also cause gynecomastia and in a different, consistent way.

 

[tato123]

I Never beat 100 pg/ml, Maybe many times , but at the time I didn't take exams

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I Never beat 100 pg/ml, Maybe many times , but at the time I didn't take exams

That's key. Bridge never tested and like me, he largely used the mirror method until I started answering questions on reddit, my blog and on here. My guestimate is that reaching 300pg/ml which might be roughly twice normal cis-female levels, is important to repair years and years of T bombardment and deprecation of looks, facially and hair-wise but we only have anecdotal info and many MtF's seem to be unaware that hair recovery is even a "thing" as they talk about transplants all of the time. People on here badgered Bridge about getting a transplant for his frontal region while it was clear that he was already progressing to almost, juvenile quality except perhaps in the temples. With the microneedling, I am also seeing extensive recovery in the temples and in front of the ears. Most XY's don't even realize that they lose/have lost hair in front of the ears but it is striking and along with the temples, perhaps impossible to restore without estrogen but the entire halo in front for me is filling in from M shaped and my pics indicate that. People can look and verify at least my anecdotal accounts by comparing dated pictures in two different types of lighting generally over six years now as I went from increasingly bald to a nice mini-comeback to more loss when trying low-dose estradiol and then complete shed to NW7 with spironolactone and now post spironolactone with extremely high-dose estradiol last year, consistent with first trimester pregnancy levels and I have posted the most recent tests the last couple of years on Hair is Not life....

Now with two Climara patches (100's) and again usage of Estrogel and Retin-A, I shoot for 300pg/ml with the permission of my endo who usually stops at 200pg/ml. Sol seems to be getting improvement in less than a month after being largely bald for a while and he appears to be ecstatic, like me, to the point of not caring if breasts come or not because hair is so much nicer than a flat chest and the tits, when substantial are all but identical to a real-live girl, which I use ironically, no offense to anyone, for comparison.

 

[tato123]

That's key. Bridge never tested and like me, he largely used the mirror method until I started answering questions on reddit, my blog and on here. My guestimate is that reaching 300pg/ml which might be roughly twice normal cis-female levels, is important to repair years and years of T bombardment and deprecation of looks, facially and hair-wise but we only have anecdotal info and many MtF's seem to be unaware that hair recovery is even a "thing" as they talk about transplants all of the time. People on here badgered Bridge about getting a transplant for his frontal region while it was clear that he was already progressing to almost, juvenile quality except perhaps in the temples. With the microneedling, I am also seeing extensive recovery in the temples and in front of the ears. Most XY's don't even realize that they lose/have lost hair in front of the ears but it is striking and along with the temples, perhaps impossible to restore without estrogen but the entire halo in front for me is filling in from M shaped and my pics indicate that. People can look and verify at least my anecdotal accounts by comparing dated pictures in two different types of lighting generally over six years now as I went from increasingly bald to a nice mini-comeback to more loss when trying low-dose estradiol and then complete shed to NW7 with spironolactone and now post spironolactone with extremely high-dose estradiol last year, consistent with first trimester pregnancy levels and I have posted the most recent tests the last couple of years on Hair is Not life....

Now with two Climara patches (100's) and again usage of Estrogel and Retin-A, I shoot for 300pg/ml with the permission of my endo who usually stops at 200pg/ml. Sol seems to be getting improvement in less than a month after being largely bald for a while and he appears to be ecstatic, like me, to the point of not caring if breasts come or not because hair is so much nicer than a flat chest and the tits, when substantial are all but identical to a real-live girl, which I use ironically, no offense to anyone, for comparison.

I think it's kind of logical because E2 gives the result.

It increases the synthesis of several types of collagens necessary for the well-being and health of the skin, which is why female skin is so much smoother, whiter, and shiny than male.

Hair is an extension of your epidermal tissue, just like your skin, so it's obvious that it will restore your hair, meaning it's "skin" in the end.


The big problem is that sometimes E2 alone is not enough, the region no longer has blood flow, it is already in an advanced fibrosis process,and I don't know a thousand other things,so it will need a broad, multifactorial approach.

My posts are gigantic, I can't say in a few words what hair loss is, that's all.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I think it's kind of logical because E2 gives the result.

It increases the synthesis of several types of collagens necessary for the well-being and health of the skin, which is why female skin is so much smoother, whiter, and shiny than male.

Hair is an extension of your epidermal tissue, just like your skin, so it's obvious that it will restore your hair, meaning it's "skin" in the end.


The big problem is that sometimes E2 alone is not enough, the region no longer has blood flow, it is already in an advanced fibrosis process,and I don't know a thousand other things,so it will need a broad, multifactorial approach.

My posts are gigantic, I can't say in a few words what hair loss is, that's all.

You are my comrade in realizing that the most useful posts are long enough but not turgid, nor too brief to elucidate the phenomenon referred to. I read every single post on here with interest and Bridge and KCMB are two types of hair "recovery" indicating youth and hair feminization even for her, without ever having noticeable hair loss as an XY, only in terms of line shape in front of the ears and at the hair line, i.e. the juvenile, feminine halo.

 

[Get my hair back]

To tell the truth, I don't see the point in high doses of oral minoxidil if you're not going to take it for life.
When you reduce the dosage, part of the result will go with it, it turns out that you will get the maximum result, but temporarily. Then what is the point of taking 20mg if you are going to reduce the dosage in the future?

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

To tell the truth, I don't see the point in high doses of oral minoxidil if you're not going to take it for life.
When you reduce the dosage, part of the result will go with it, it turns out that you will get the maximum result, but temporarily. Then what is the point of taking 20mg if you are going to reduce the dosage in the future?

There might be a variety of reasons. Maintenance on regular min might be possible; hair might need in essence, a booster to get back into the game and it might increase anagen. To some extent you can titrate doses downward and possibly maintain without the sides which seem to drastically go up ~ 5mg daily. MtF's are likely to be able to stop completely, since we have HRT to more or less completely halt T/HRT. Maintenance in general for XY's might work with reductase inhibitors. It might be that smaller amounts work for MtF's similar to cis-females meaning below ~1mg daily. Together with topical min via once to twice weekly sessions of microneedling, oral min might awaken "dormant" follicles with essentially zero anagen; it might kickstart HRT effects although Bridge added it fairly late in the game. On the down side, for females who often take ~.25mg daily, peripheral hair can be significant and it has been for me in terms of beard thickening and beard thickening might or might not go away after desisting. I am still testing at ~3mg once daily in the morning to titrate downward to where sides equal marginal benefits. With oral min, even a drop in the morning might create sulfurotransferase to make topical min work much better but it might also increase topical min sides. "Drinking" topical min can be much cheaper and more flexible in terms of titration since maybe even half a drop is plenty daily.

Oral min might also speed up hair recovery/restoration and/or be synergistic to MtF HRT.

 

[MylovelyHair]

Good morning guys.

It's been a long time, but I keep on with the intention of adding to the community, I've entered almost nothing here, I remembered you decided to come do an update, maybe it will be useful for someone.


Well I'm still on my treatment I just increased my dose of minoxidil.

10mg-20mg oral minoxidil maybe more same days, E2 in cycles, 1mg finasteride, who accompanies me knows that it is from bicalutamide to CPA, the only thing I kept was E2.

What do I have to say? I've already reached the one-year mark using E2.

I took testosterone, SHBG, E2, E3 tests.

My testosterone is around 1345.50 ng/dl. well above the reference value.

DHT was high too, even using finasteride, 506.00 pg/ml

My SHBG was also discharged
79.50 nmol/L

My estrone 55.10 pg/ml
And my e2
75.10 pg/ml.



My observations about E2:

I keep gaining ground, my hair is in Norwood-1 looking like mature hair with a lot of volume, if I comb it sideways it's imperceptible that I've already been bald, on the contrary it's with beautiful volume, but as souls said hairstyles like the ones in the photo he sent, I still lack volume, my hair doesn't hold the hairstyle due to lack of volume, I keep evolving I just don't know how long it will take to achieve this result.

I must go like this endlessly, that's where I get to.

But I've been noticing that even with very good testosterone exams if I overdo it on E2 I lose my libido completely and that makes a difference for me, I like to be sexually active.

Perfect ejaculatory volume.
But sometimes I'm getting very low libido, as I said, being forced to stop E2 but when it stops, the effects mainly on the skin go away quickly.

But when I don't use E2 in 15 days I already see a clear difference in my skin, face, even my dark circles increase, it's bizarre.

Minoxidil turned me into a wolf, literally, I noticed that the explosion of my hair came along with the explosion of my body hair, I mean I had a growth blast again some time ago, even my hands are hairy, giant eyelashes, side of the hair joining with the eyebrow I'm looking like a werewolf.

Notes: At this dosage of minoxidil I'm having a difference in my QT (HEART DISEASE) interval, but at this dosage I got amazing results. If you don't understand I'm having problems with my electrocardiogram, probably everyone who takes these dosages will have a difference in the electrocardiogram, but I doubt they will, to avoid this the correct thing would be to take a beta blocker like atenolol for example,I have access all day to support medical and follow-up because i'm a Doctor, i'm young ,i'm an intern Doctor. Why am I saying this? only for those who are reading to be aware that what I do is risky and I am being accompanied, be careful when approaching this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I'm sharing dangerous information here but you who are reading need to be careful with this, we are talking about cardiac tamponade, pericardial effusion and so on, your diet is not good enough to ingest this dosage of minoxidil you don't drink enough water during the day and do not practice physical activity, the recipe for death. TAKE f*****g CARE!

Everything that has an effect on this sh*t fucks you up somehow, how absurd we've come to solve a problem that seems banal but in end of the day you see, it's insane.

BICA, CPA, MINOXIDIL(unsual dosage), female hormones, so choose your poison, opssss, choose you path.


Huge hug my comrades, janey, noorwody,almas, gergely, plsnw1,I hope you are well. s2

Hey did your crown completely thickenned up??

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Hey did your crown completely thickenned up??

Were you the one who asked me about crown recovery pics?

 

[likemike]

What's the E2 dose of the user @Junely ?

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I think it is probably above somewhere but it might be as long as ten months ago. Maybe try command F on Macs to search for Junely. They say that they are desisting from HRT if I recall correctly. They started posting about the same time as Janey if I recall correctly with similar hair lines and results but Junely lacked extensive scarring from previous transplants. Janey and Junely goes together well, sonically, lol and Junely posted some great progress pics. I hope they maintain.
Janey

What's the E2 dose of the user @Junely ?

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I think it is probably above somewhere but it might be as long as ten months ago. Maybe try command F on Macs to search for Junely. They say that they are desisting from HRT if I recall correctly. They started posting about the same time as Janey if I recall correctly with similar hair lines and results but Junely lacked extensive scarring from previous transplants. Janey and Junely goes together well, sonically, lol and Junely posted some great progress pics. I hope they maintain.
Janey

People on here could use your feedback often, on CPA and I am wondering what your E2 dosage and P4 dosage are as well as curious about your thoughts on P4 and how your progress/maintenance is going....

Best,
Janey