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Catagen

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I have seen someone going from NW1 to NW5 within a three month dbol cycle. Don't even touch it.
Can you dm me pics of someone going from NW1 to NW5 in three months?
The guy probably just buzzed his hair and already had NW5 thinning pattern with a NW1 hairline, no chance the hairline went from NW1 to NW5 hairline.
 

KNemo

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With regard to any medicine, I can say that 3 months is a sufficient time to understand whether it works

I strongly disagree with the need to wait 6-12 months. Do you seriously believe that after reaching the concentrations, baldness will first continue, and then somehow stop after half a year or reverse? No, you will watch how you go bald further
Do you understand how long hair cycles last? You're assuming that hairs that are already ready to be dropped should suddenly be rejuvenated and stay, sure that does happen however some hairs will continue to the resting phase. And then we have regrowth where already resting or semi-dead follicles will not have time to be reactivated with visible results in a few months.

Without verifying hair improvements with a microscope the time scale is even larger. In some areas I didn't see a visible improvement in a year though an USB microscope showed a lot of reactivated (or new?) vellus hairs in 8 months time. In 3 months nothing was visible with microscope or not.
 

Solxama

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Do you understand how long hair cycles last? You're assuming that hairs that are already ready to be dropped should suddenly be rejuvenated and stay, sure that does happen however some hairs will continue to the resting phase. And then we have regrowth where already resting or semi-dead follicles will not have time to be reactivated with visible results in a few months.

Without verifying hair improvements with a microscope the time scale is even larger. In some areas I didn't see a visible improvement in a year though an USB microscope showed a lot of reactivated (or new?) vellus hairs in 8 months time. In 3 months nothing was visible with microscope or not.
I must be some kind of mutant for having results so quickly then. 2 months of Fina and 1 month of HRT and I went from NW4 to NW3.
 

Almas_NW0

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Do you understand how long hair cycles last? You're assuming that hairs that are already ready to be dropped should suddenly be rejuvenated and stay, sure that does happen however some hairs will continue to the resting phase. And then we have regrowth where already resting or semi-dead follicles will not have time to be reactivated with visible results in a few months.

Without verifying hair improvements with a microscope the time scale is even larger. In some areas I didn't see a visible improvement in a year though an USB microscope showed a lot of reactivated (or new?) vellus hairs in 8 months time. In 3 months nothing was visible with microscope or not.
The telogen cycle lasts 3 months, not half a year or a year. Also, hair is always in different stages of cycles, so when you start HRT, a significant part of the hair reacts immediately. This explains the quick results on HRT, like Solxama
 

Trafalgar Law

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Half a year is enough for any medication. If there is no improvement during this time, there won't be any improvement after a year, or ever. I myself rarely test for more than four months.
I can confirm this statement from my own experience. When I first started oral finasteride I was led to believe that I would not see any improvement whatsoever until 6 months to a year have passed since starting my treatment. Fortunately that was not the case because I noticed visible improvement within 4 months. That said, I did not see cosmetically significant improvement until about 9 months into treatment, so while waiting 6 months to a year maybe necessary to notice significant cosmetic improvement, I think 4 months is an adequate amount of time to determine a treatment's efficacy(or lack thereof) for most individuals.
 

Fuchsilein

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Can you dm me pics of someone going from NW1 to NW5 in three months?
The guy probably just buzzed his hair and already had NW5 thinning pattern with a NW1 hairline, no chance the hairline went from NW1 to NW5 hairline.
No problem, I'll just pull him out of my closet and take some pictures. /S
I sincerely do not care if you don't believe me. The guy lost his hair like really fast. It certainly isn't the norm however.
 
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Pls_NW-1

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Btw this is my hair the day after I took the fotos*.

*I accidently made a typo, sry, anyways.

I will keep the thread updated about my condition when the gen test results arrive.
 
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Solxama

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Btw this is my hair the day after I took the fotos*.

*I accidently made a typo, sry, anyways.

I will keep the thread updated about my condition when the gen test results arrive.
I feel for you :(

If you believe you can't try any hormonal altering treatment due to your condition I would still recommend oral minoxidil, do anything to stop that hair loss, fight it as much as you can.

I believe in you :)

Edit : And yeah, @Gergely is right, you could try that too.
 

Almas_NW0

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@Pls_NW-1
There is no guarantee that HRT will not help you. You can try. Many women have adrenal problems and are treated for baldness. Moreover, they should produce only a smaller part of T. It is also possible that E reduces the density of receptors. For some reason I am sure that HRT will help you
But instead, you decided to give up like a coward, whine, and call yourself genetically defective. Do you want hair? Take action, try, hope.
 

Norwoody

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@Pls_NW-1
There is no guarantee that HRT will not help you. You can try. Many women have adrenal problems and are treated for baldness. Moreover, they should produce only a smaller part of T. It is also possible that E reduces the density of receptors. For some reason I am sure that HRT will help you
But instead, you decided to give up like a coward, whine, and call yourself genetically defective. Do you want hair? Take action, try, hope.
This is completely unfair to him.
 

Almas_NW0

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This is completely unfair to him.
I just don't see the point of whining and not trying to do anything about it. Calling yourself genetically defective and giving up is the easiest choice. This is not in my spirit. We can never be sure whether something will help us or not. But he probably doesn't really want hair if he decided not to even check it out.
 

Solxama

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@Almas_NW0 , I think the problem he faces is more complex then you put it. One thing is the banned person who went by Janey wasn't exactly the best advocate for HRT, giving some people unfounded fears of it's effects. I didn't believe her, but that's because I have a inbuilt bullshit detector, so I knew she's talking crap as soon as she started showing her real face. But others might not have, and she tried to basically groom people into becoming a twisted soul like herself. Then the second reason is @Pls_NW-1 may be so comfortable is his masculinity that he does not want any feminizing effects. Something hard to understand for people like us, due to dysphoria in my case, and to aesthetic priorities in your case.

But never the less, there is truth to your words that inaction is bad. That is why I recommended @Pls_NW-1 to do everything he can to fight his hair loss. Others here have recommended many treatments. If they fail he could always try a small non feminizing dose of topical Estradiol gel on his hair. But that's his decision to make, nobodies else. If he feels his health is stopping him, it's his choice.

But to be honest, I had a similar mindset to him in my teens, naturalism to be precise. It was forced on me by my environment, so called "friends" and family members. Some of them were convinced they were well meaning but it ruined years of my life. All I'm trying to say by this is, I hope he doesn't regret his decision later. I thought I could live with baldness, but no, I cannot. If he can then good for him, but I hope he really thinks it through.

@Pls_NW-1 you may think you'll be ok with it now in your teens, but wait until the 20s hit. And early baldness is something that really hits people hard, so I'll repeat this again : Do everything you can with treatments you find acceptable to fight your hair loss!

I wish you luck :)
 
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