Frontal thinning on Avodart

[ajax]

I'm not sure I really agree with dutasteride making frontal hair thinner. Check out my success thread for pics of my hair loss, as u will see my hair has thickened up no end including the front (except no real new hair growth except lots on tiny velus hairs on the hairline). http://www.hairlosstalk.com/discussions ... hp?t=28295

It just seems a bit strange to me that taking a DHT blocker could make you lose your hair... i'm no scientist thought so I could just be a bit uneducated on the subject.

 

[powersam]

noones saying dutasteride makes frontal hair thinner full stop. we are saying that some people have experienced frontal sheds which have coincided with the use of dutasteride. as this happened to me, i have absolutely no doubt that dutasteride can cause frontal sheds.

 

[Jacky81]

But after a shedding there is coming new hair! Shedding does not mean that the hair is gone forever. But it can be...

 

[ajax]

ahh ok sorry I thought you guys meant it does as a general rule. Maybe they study didnt leave it long enough for the shed to finish and then new hairs grow. As its been said many times on these forums it can take a year to see the positive results. I've been pretty lucky on my regimen as have never really had a shed. Or maybe mines just round the corner! :freaked2:

 

[CCS]

yeah, I thought of that possibility, but bryan thinks I read it wrong or something, and I can't find it now. I even tested google by searching for one of my posts on this site and google did not find it. google must only search a fraction of the web pages and give up after a fraction of a second.

 

[powersam]

hahah you can't find a study and have decided to blame google, the most successful search engine there is....

 

[CCS]

its not funny

 

[powersam]

ball cancer, thats not funny. a fat woman raping you with a strap on, not funny. but you blaming google because you cant find a study which Bryan 'Study Ninja' Shelton says does not exist does strike me as somewhat amusing.

gimme some of the details that you remember and i'll try find it too.

 

[Slartibartfast]

So as long as she's not a heifer you're okay with the strap-on :wink:

As its been said many times on these forums it can take a year to see the positive results.

With improvements possibly still coming through after two years.

 

[CCS]

on one of the hair loss sites, a guy provided a link to everyone else, told them to click on it and I think said it was done it another country. i don't know which one, but new zeland kind of sound familiar. he told them scroll down to a third the way from the bottom and click on the one with a certain title i don't remember. I clicked on the link, and it was a site with a list of studies on many topics in a window the size of this compose window i'm typing in. i scrolled down, found it, clicked on it, and i don't remember if I was redirected or another window opened, but i remember seeing a lot of tables. i did not read much text. i don't remember if that was because there was not much or if i was just graph hunting. the page kind of reminded me of a pdf fine but I don't think it looked loke a messy photo copy, and it had links in it to some of the tables. actually i think it was mostly tables and not graphs. it had the 0.1, 0.5, 2.5mg proscar, placebo. i don't remember if they used the word finasteride or proscar. And what is odd is i don't remember seeing the 0.05mg dose. maybe i saw it, but i'm sure i would have compared it to the proscar for the front if I did , and i don't remember making that comparison, so it must not have been there.

not a lot of information to go on. This was before i came to HairLossTalk.com.

 

[powersam]

hehe while searching for this study i've run across a shiteload of misinformation. for instance "It is important to remember that dutasteride is not proven to be better than, or even as good as finasteride, when it comes to the effect on hair follicles. And if there is an effect, the lowest effective dosage is still to be tested out."

most of it comes from transplant site... fishing for new patients i guess.


ccs - if you can remember any exact words or wording from the study that'll make it easier to find. i found something similar but the page had been deleted and googles cache only had a link to it.

 

[CCS]

The raw data had men's norwood scale, but i don't know the exact format.

I thouht in the forum some said "scroll down", but when I searched for that it returned a lot of results.

I don't even know if they used the word study in the forum.

Too bad google won't search for pages with links in them. you could add http to the search.

 

[powersam]

not really enough info to find it, any idea what the thread in the forum was about? you gone through the history on your browser? or does yours automatically clean itself.

 

[CCS]

I emptied it at least 10 times already.

i wonder how many web pages are fully linked to google.

another thing that pisses me off is I'll type -BPH, and google still gives me sites with BHP right there in the text. Is that shitty or what?

Go to one of your other posts on this sight and copy a sentence and paste it into google with quotes around it and see if it will even find it. I'd give it 30% odds.

nope. just tried it on several. no luck. make that 2% odds. piece of sh^t search engine. I can't even find a reference for the spectrum of copperII. All I get is reference books for sale. I think paid advertisers hog the links. you got to go 10 pages back to get to the real stuff usually.

 

[CCS]

All I know is with my limited finances, I'd rather buy extra prox-N (lef.org, perhaps), spironolactone tablets, and flax oil and apply that to my front than spend the extra $20 per month to go from every third day to every day. But if someone really hates topical and wants to know what pill to take, I guess they should probably just go with Bryan's dose advice. All my hair loss is in the front.

 

[Felk]

All I know is with my limited finances, I'd rather buy extra prox-N (lef.org, perhaps), spironolactone tablets, and flax oil and apply that to my front than spend the extra $20 per month to go from every third day to every day. But if someone really hates topical and wants to know what pill to take, I guess they should probably just go with Bryan's dose advice. All my hair loss is in the front.

What was Bryan's dose advice concerning dutasteride? Which thread is that in, i can't seem to find it (im sure hes done loads, though)

 

[Felk]

ball cancer, thats not funny. a fat woman raping you with a strap on, not funny. but you blaming google because you cant find a study which Bryan 'Study Ninja' Shelton says does not exist does strike me as somewhat amusing.

:lol:

Study ninja indeed...

 

[CCS]

bryan said that more dutasteride is better for the whole head, whereas i was saying I saw a big trial that showed it had worse results than proscar in the front of the head. Bryan asks me if i've found the study yet, but I'd like to see him try finding one of his own posts with google. Unless he uses HairLossTalk.com search features, I don't think he will find it even if he copies and pastes half a sentence out of one window and into the google search window. It will give him no results.

And many times when i type -BHP, i get results with BHP in them. It happens even if i go into advanced mode and put it in there. Google is a piece of sh^t.

I'm trying to find the composition of SD alcohol 23-A, but google gives me nothing but irrelevant results. I don't know what keywords to use to filter out the ingredients of all these other products that have it.

 

[arrogantprick]

I guess one question to ask is if the higher dosages of dutasteride significantly increases testosterone levels. If so and if frontal hair loss increases as dutasteride levels increase (beyond a certain point), that would support the testosterone/fronal hair loss theory.

 

[CCS]

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-remedy ... esults.cfm

DHT is a stronger androgen than testosterone. So changing DHT to testosterone would not necessarily support that theory.

The higher doses of dutasteride regrew more hair in back than lower doses did. So regardless of androgen speculation, we still don't have a reason why the front would act differently than the back.

I think we can all agree that if we want dramatic results, we need an androgen receptor blocker. And I wish I knew just how strong fluridil is. I want to know if I should continue it or switch to spironolactone, which is better known.



Side effects in Avodart are 1-3%, similar to propecia, according to one site I read.