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we can skip to japanese, of course...

japanese without kanji is not usable btw...
They do have some form of Latin script not to mention, in Asia, it is very common for children who grow up elsewhere to be illiterate, so to speak. I had a profession whose parents were from Taiwan and he used to joke about being illiterate.
 

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yeah you can write it without kanji, but it is very difficult to understand than because a lot of words sound alike... then when someone has no idea what something means they are like “first kanji from that word and the first from that”...
with names its even more complicated...

well returnees (as they call it here) dont have it that easy, they are usually put next to the half japanese and foreigners (much to their dismay)...
 

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japanese without kanji is not usable btw...
Bold claim. My BA entailed 2 years of Japanese language courses and I disagree. They'd just have to use European writing conventions as well, aka space between seperate wordsinsteadofonecontinuousscribble.
 

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Bold claim. My BA entailed 2 years of Japanese language courses and I disagree. They'd just have to use European writing conventions as well, aka space between seperate wordsinsteadofonecontinuousscribble.
then you still couldnt figure out what word it is a lot of the time...
because they are written the same way then... or you wouldnt know which part is grammar and which isnt...
it doesnt work with context all/most of the time...


but yeah, yours is the typical foreigner point of view and the way most foreigners study (no offense of course)... that works as long as you are outside of japan...
 

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then you still couldnt figure out what word it is a lot of the time...
because they are written the same way then... or you wouldnt know which part is grammar and which isnt...
it doesnt work with context all/most of the time...


but yeah, yours is the typical foreigner point of view and the way most foreigners study (no offense of course)... that works as long as you are outside of japan...
I agree that you have to be able to read the kanji to some degree. In the first year we only learned hiragana and katakana.
The good thing is, that when I was visiting China, I could at least read a little bit of Chinese, and could tell if I was ordering chicken or beef when there was no menu in English available. ;)
 

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I agree that you have to be able to read the kanji to some degree. In the first year we only learned hiragana and katakana.
The good thing is, that when I was visiting China, I could at least read a little bit of Chinese, and could tell if I was ordering chicken or beef when there was no menu in English available. ;)
well that is of course good to know...
for whatever reason menus are among the hardest things for me to read... most likely because i never really went out for food for a few years and im not used to... so even if i knew how to read, i wouldnt really know what it is anyway, unless i heard it before...

have to admit that i dont know too many kanji, maybe 1000, which is more or less useless... that happens when you study that on/off... or when you got to work and got no time for that^^
 

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well that is of course good to know...
for whatever reason menus are among the hardest things for me to read... most likely because i never really went out for food for a few years and im not used to... so even if i knew how to read, i wouldnt really know what it is anyway, unless i heard it before...

have to admit that i dont know too many kanji, maybe 1000, which is more or less useless... that happens when you study that on/off... or when you got to work and got no time for that^^
I use the wanikani app for learning kanji. I used to do my reviews and lessons while commuting to and from work, but the last year, working from home, I have not been able to advance much. Also, work got in the way.
 

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Provide the studies please

My skin always goes super pale on finasteride and my dark circles/eyes look darker /eye lids darker its strange no matter how much water i drink, wht i eat or anytihng.
 

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I use the wanikani app for learning kanji. I used to do my reviews and lessons while commuting to and from work, but the last year, working from home, I have not been able to advance much. Also, work got in the way.
i study by book and handwriting... well kanji that is... otherwise im quite good, i mean it is the only language i use in real life anyway, so i better be good at it...

i actually did use wanikani years ago, but now i cant even remember which side that was from... wasnt bad though...
there are tons of apps for kanji now, though...
somehow a lot of people use heisig, but that one doesnt teach you the readings, so i got no idea why anyone would use that...
 

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then you still couldnt figure out what word it is a lot of the time...
because they are written the same way then... or you wouldnt know which part is grammar and which isnt...
it doesnt work with context all/most of the time...
argumentum ad verecundiam fallacy. Since you consider yourself an insider, who has superior insights due to being a longterm sexpat or glorious nipponese, you should be able to come up with a more convincing argument than just pointing to my presumed outsider status. I have lived in Japan for more than a year and many Japanese had quite a different view than you and said that kanji are kept for traditionalism and national identity. Most inflections or particles are very distinctive and easy to recognize, not to mention you could write them as seperate entities just like words anyways.

You realize that people don't speak in Kanji either and still are able to understand each other.Context works 99.999% of times. There's ambivalence in any language and there is just as much ambivalence in Kanji as well, the reading can be even more contextual than hiragana, which at least tell you the phonetics, whereas almost every kanji syntagma has multiple readings.
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I like the kanji, they make you see the origin of words, like 金玉, testicles, literally: golden balls. The word for irony 皮肉,consists of skin and flesh. The kanji show you that. You would not know if you just learned the words in hiragana.
 

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argumentum ad verecundiam fallacy. Since you consider yourself an insider, who has superior insights due to being a longterm sexpat or glorious nipponese, you should be able to come up with a more convincing argument than just pointing to my presumed outsider status. I have lived in Japan for more than a year and many Japanese had quite a different view than you and said that kanji are kept for traditionalism and national identity. Most inflections or particles are very distinctive and easy to recognize, not to mention you could write them as seperate entities just like words anyways.

You realize that people don't speak in Kanji either and still are able to understand each other.Context works 99.999% of times. There's ambivalence in any language and there is just as much ambivalence in Kanji as well, the reading can be even more contextual than hiragana, which at least tell you the phonetics, whereas almost every kanji syntagma has multiple readings.View attachment 163196
i dont consider myself to be an insider, im
just living in japan, thats all...

you can write anything in any way you want to, thing is: people dont, so whatever people think that could be done and should be done is far from what it is in reality...

a lot of people say they dont want kanji and they cant write them by hand and have to look them up, since they dont write a lot by hand anymore... sure there is that...

people dont speak in kanji, how could they? they do think in kanji (as chinese and koreans do in their respective languages, too) though... as i said, barely a day goes by without someone explaining something by kanji, let it be meaning, abbreviation, origin of some word, or whatever... or when they just turn the kanji around and use some different pronounciation to make some sort of joke...
 

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I like the kanji, they make you see the origin of words, like 金玉, testicles, literally: golden balls. The word for irony 皮肉,consists of skin and flesh. The kanji show you that. You would not know if you just learned the words in hiragana.
It's quit interesting as a part of semantic or etymological insights for sure. But it is not a neccessity for a functioning writing system. Just as etymological research into Latin, Celtic and Germanic roots of words is not necessary, when using the alphabet to write an English sentence.

Whether you should get rid of kanji, is still an entirely different question as to whether you could.
 

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It's quit interesting as a part of semantic or etymological insights for sure. But it is not a neccessity for a functioning writing system. Just as etymological research into Latin, Celtic and Germanic roots of words is not necessary, when using the alphabet to write an English sentence.

Whether you should get rid of kanji, is still an entirely different question as to whether you could.
well you can get rid of anything, if you put it like that...
 

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At any rate, I’m also a fan of furigana :)
 
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