Hello I am new, and looking to go dwn the natural route.

[Quantum Cat]

Basically, finasteride is a demasculating drug that respected doctors (not the FDA pat roll ones) say effects at least 5-10% of users a very seriously 33%
.

which respected doctors?

 

[Health Truth]

which respected doctors?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAZ3-t7vJeg - Dr. Michael S. Irwig

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXUrWdcG_oY - Dr Andrew Ryne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DEdskgOWVI - Dr John Crisler

There are several more who have written about it but here are a few short videos.

 

[Notcoolanymore]

Dr. Michael S. Irwig

Dr Andrew Ryne

Dr John Crisler

Health Truth, Grammaton Cleric, or whatever new user name you will be using to spread your anti propecia garbage. Your examples of respected doctors is very weak at best. Dr. Michael S. Irwig, the guy from the "unbiased" Irwig study, where he surveyed guys from propeciahelp that were already blaming their sides on finasteride. Great example there.

Then we have Dr. Andrew Ryne. Didn't know who he was so I actually started watching the video in the link you provided. Within the first 40 seconds he starts rambling about how natural hair loss is, that is doesn't need to be treated, that we shouldn't worry about it, he even says it is something we should be proud of. I especially love the part at 1:20 in the video where he can't even pronounce Propecia, does he say propetia? I didn't want to watch any more of the video at that point, but for some reason I couldn't turn away.

After those two fine examples I was really afraid to click on your 3rd link. Give us all a break. We all know the risks by now of taking finasteride. People have been taking it for 20 years now! If you don't wish to take it and are proud to be bald/going bald, then great for you. There is a place for you at slybaldguys. You aren't here to help anybody. You are just here to stop people from effectively treating their hair loss. You are hear to harm men that are already suffering because of their hair loss. Your actions are disgusting.

- - - Updated - - -

Tell us how your natural regimen is working for you. It would be nice if you anti propecia guys actually provided actual alternative solutions that work instead of spreading nothing but fear.

 

[chipsy]

Health truth if you don't want the's guys opinion s don't come on the forum and ask advice. As a group were telling g you natural is a waste of time on the back of the guys experience. Dont come here and preach the rubbish finasteride debate. The thousands of guys it works wonders for don't come on here to shout it to the skies. Most who 'graduate' drop off the forum. Its only the newcomers or the struggles or the small group of guys that are kind enough to stick around and offer advice that you will find, and yet its these same veterans your c hosing to ask and not listen to. I'll break it down simply. Go the best current natural regime and be in for a slow and frustrating journey. Or go the proven route and have a slow but very successful journey, if you are patient, commited and not afraid of all this side affect fear mongering

 

[Parsia]

Health truth if you don't want the's guys opinion s don't come on the forum and ask advice. As a group were telling g you natural is a waste of time on the back of the guys experience. Dont come here and preach the rubbish finasteride debate. The thousands of guys it works wonders for don't come on here to shout it to the skies. Most who 'graduate' drop off the forum. Its only the newcomers or the struggles or the small group of guys that are kind enough to stick around and offer advice that you will find, and yet its these same veterans your c hosing to ask and not listen to. I'll break it down simply. Go the best current natural regime and be in for a slow and frustrating journey. Or go the proven route and have a slow but very successful journey, if you are patient, commited and not afraid of all this side affect fear mongering

Hi Chipsy , Thanks for your post ,just curious whats your herbal bend you are using now ?

 

[Quantum Cat]

as soon as I saw the name Irwig I knew it wasn't worth reading any further

 

[Grammaton Cleric]

as soon as I saw the name Irwig I knew it wasn't worth reading any further

as soon as I saw this post I thought of



- - - Updated - - -

Health Truth, Grammaton Cleric, or whatever new user name you will be using to spread your anti propecia garbage. Your examples of respected doctors is very weak at best. Dr. Michael S. Irwig, the guy from the "unbiased" Irwig study, where he surveyed guys from propeciahelp that were already blaming their sides on finasteride. Great example there.

Then we have Dr. Andrew Ryne. Didn't know who he was so I actually started watching the video in the link you provided. Within the first 40 seconds he starts rambling about how natural hair loss is, that is doesn't need to be treated, that we shouldn't worry about it, he even says it is something we should be proud of. I especially love the part at 1:20 in the video where he can't even pronounce Propecia, does he say propetia? I didn't want to watch any more of the video at that point, but for some reason I couldn't turn away.

After those two fine examples I was really afraid to click on your 3rd link. Give us all a break. We all know the risks by now of taking finasteride. People have been taking it for 20 years now! If you don't wish to take it and are proud to be bald/going bald, then great for you. There is a place for you at slybaldguys. You aren't here to help anybody. You are just here to stop people from effectively treating their hair loss. You are hear to harm men that are already suffering because of their hair loss. Your actions are disgusting.

- - - Updated - - -

Tell us how your natural regimen is working for you. It would be nice if you anti propecia guys actually provided actual alternative solutions that work instead of spreading nothing but fear.

 

[Health Truth]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride Here's wiki about finasteride to prove it is used for sex changes.

http://www.askdocweb.com/propecia48.html Here is a page of people reporting side effects of propecia, note this is not an anti propecia forum just a health forum. Frenchy has already reported some of these sick side effects on here.

I was just asking for NATURAL cures, if any of you lot don't believe there are any air does express that politley or don't post unlike smug **** Frenchy.

I will never use finasteride I would rather lose my hair than risk the side effects of that drug. Some things are far more important than hair to me.

- - - Updated - - -

LMFAO. I am a 22 year old male from Newcastle, England I have never used this account under any profile other than the one I have. Believe whatever you want I don't give a **** who "Grammaton Cleric" is. I do not know this forum paticularly well and the reason finasteride become such a big debate is coz of that **** Frecnhy trying to slag me off for NOT using it when he has said himself that he has got tits off it.

If anyone wants to use that ****e all luck to them, I have never used it so I can't say first hand but I never will use it either so that is why I asked for NATURAL stuff which I feel is doing wonders.

- - - Updated - - -

Honest to ****ing god mate, the stupidity of this arse hole. I only read the first part where he accuses me of being you but after reading the full thing and being acused of "harming men" all I can say is what a douche. I think anyone who has such low self esteem that they are willing to take some **** like finasteride which can **** up their lives to "cure" or in reality "slow down" hair loss has serious personality issues but that's just me.

Anyway I think the basic fact that I came on this forum only went on the alternative treatment section because I had already looked up finasteride and do not like the look of it. The reality is no one should be coming on this forum talking about finasteride because it is for "Alternative" methods. Also I have a great head of hair so I don't need to go on any bald forum or the forseeable future.

I actually have seen some very interesting stuff else where on the alt forum though so I won't call this site a complete dump it jut has a few pricks like any forum about anything.

 

[Quantum Cat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride Here's wiki about finasteride to prove it is used for sex changes.

.

if you have to resort to wikipedia as 'proof' of something, you know you're in trouble...

I was just asking for NATURAL cures

there are no natural cures. (in fact there are no cures fullstop)

if you don't want to use Propecia that's totally fine, but I promise you'll save yourself a lot of time and money if you understand that simple statement.

- - - Updated - - -

Also I have a great head of hair so I don't need to go on any bald forum or the forseeable future. .

so what are you even doing here? are you like one of those Mortal meatheads you see on 'Geordie Shore'?.... :laugh:

 

[Health Truth]

if you have to resort to wikipedia as 'proof' of something, you know you're in trouble...





there are no natural cures. (in fact there are no cures fullstop)

if you don't want to use Propecia that's totally fine, but I promise you'll save yourself a lot of time and money if you understand that simple statement.

- - - Updated - - -




so what are you even doing here? are you like one of those Mortal meatheads you see on 'Geordie Shore'?.... :laugh:

Go and check up finasteride on wikipedia, I provided a link. Not just anybody can edit the page it is protected so that only respected members of wiki can. You will see the padlock in the top corner. The guy on youtube, who I actually think is a paid actor, "hairlossfromsteroids" claims he has been using finasteride 11 years and my hair at 22 is about the same as his. I just got paranoid about my appearance after a break up earlier in the year.

Like I say I posted on here for some natural advice, I wanted to hear from people who feel they have had success with natural methods. This like I say is the Alternative forum unfortunetly it seems that many finasteride users with low self-esteem have to come on here to try and belittle people who are unwilling to the drug.

Take a look at that guy on youtube who does the bald truth radio, he's 47 has a decent-ish had of hair but has a pufy face, probably a **** sex drive ad metabolism and weak as piss from using finasteride. Go watch his videos, who do you honestly think a lass would rather get with him or Vin Diesal who is 45 and has a good shape from doing the gym etc.

Obviously most men look better with a full head of hair, if there was a miracle drug that worked as well as if not better than finasteride and had no side effects I would take it to prevent any risk of hair loss but no way would I take that stuff given it's risks. That's just my opinion. The fact is nobody looks as good at 50 as they do at 20 just one of those things unfortunetly and while finasteride may keep your hair it ages you and destroys your body in other ways.

 

[Notcoolanymore]

if there was a miracle drug that worked as well as if not better than finasteride and had no side effects I would take it to prevent any risk of hair loss but no way would I take that stuff given it's risks.

Who wouldn't rather take a drug with no risk of sides? The fact of the matter is that drug does not exist and probably never will. It is easy for you to sit on your high horse with little or no hair loss and judge us for taking finasteride, but lets see how you feel when you actually really start losing your hair.

You make assumptions about Spencer Kobren that are most likely false. How do you know about his sex drive, or whether or not he is in shape, or whether he is having any other side effects? You can't. That is where I take issue with all the anti propecia garbage. Most of the nonsense going around about finasteride is just BS from people that have never taken the drug. If you don't want to take it, then dont. But don't try to influence others against the best treatment available because of your fears.

 

[Grammaton Cleric]

Who wouldn't rather take a drug with no risk of sides? The fact of the matter is that drug does not exist and probably never will. It is easy for you to sit on your high horse with little or no hair loss and judge us for taking finasteride, but lets see how you feel when you actually really start losing your hair.

You make assumptions about Spencer Kobren that are most likely false. How do you know about his sex drive, or whether or not he is in shape, or whether he is having any other side effects? You can't. That is where I take issue with all the anti propecia garbage. Most of the nonsense going around about finasteride is just BS from people that have never taken the drug. If you don't want to take it, then dont. But don't try to influence others against the best treatment available because of your fears.

 

[Notcoolanymore]

Grammaton Cleric,

What is your story? Please share with us your hair loss story and why you are here. Are you really here to help anybody or just scare them? I have seen your spread the same anti propecia stuff here and BTT, I am sure you do the same on other sites and on Youtube. What do you get out of spreading your anti propecia message?

My guess is that you are an early norwood, that either took propecia and got sides(or thought you did) and now you are bitter because you cant do a thing about your hair loss. You cant treat your hair loss and you want to scare others away from treating their hair loss. To me that is the worst kind of troll, a hypocrite that is only upset because he is out of options.

- - - Updated - - -

I was just asking for NATURAL cures, if any of you lot don't believe there are any air does express that politley or don't post unlike smug **** Frenchy.

If you want to learn about NATURAL cures, that's all fine and good, but when every post of your includes a remark about "finasteride being poison", "permanent sexual side effects" then you will get exposed as an anti propecia no life loser troll. Just like the other guy posting in this thread.

- - - Updated - - -

Grammaton Cleric,

What is your story? Please share with us your hair loss story and why you are here. Are you really here to help anybody or just scare them? I have seen your spread the same anti propecia stuff here and BTT, I am sure you do the same on other sites and on Youtube. What do you get out of spreading your anti propecia message?

No response just like I thought. Anti propecia troll exposed.

 

[Sabbah]

Of course propecia works better but natural treatments are the only safe way to go. Propecia will destroy your sex life and feminize your body. Beta-glucan and natural hair loss treatments halted my hair loss for many years. I just started minoxidil because I was assure it has no side effects but I can't testify nothing yet.

 

[Sabbah]

There a no effective natural treatments for male pattern baldness. And you're lying. Post pictures or you claims are useless.

Why bother? I posted my pics as soon as I joined in but took them down since everyone attacked me for advocating natural treatments.

 

[Notcoolanymore]

Yeah right. There are no natural treatments. Or you don't have true male pattern baldness. This is not even debatable.

Nothing more to add to this topic.

 

[long hair]

again chemical people win the war in the alternative forum c: ...congratulation

 

[paulie72785]

Advocating on alternative treatment is fine but when you bring your ego to the chat, it all goes down the gutter.
This forum is truly being destroyed by egomaniacs pls try a better way to prove your point.If propecia is poison prove it, if applying your urine to your head is beneficial to the follicle then in god's name just f!cking prove it without any troll images or pointless fanboy theories and memes.
This is the reason newbie's like me are confused as to what should we do to keep ourselves NW1 without shutting off any hormone that could be important to the body and we turn to this forum but, what the hell is here to find??Just some Propropecia vs natureallmighty comments bashing each other for supremacy while others just look at the funny things here and laugh to it contributing ZERO

 

[long hair]

ok paulie...what ever method you use just make sure that you relax your scalp ..let the blood get in/out your follicles eazy, ......massage is a main key to regrow your hair ....it is hard because it is a daily process and the result may not coming fast that why people hate it ...when hair start to grow it will be hard to notice them because they are very thin and not completely dark
but you can touch them with your fingers .

 

[paulie72785]

ok paulie...what ever method you use just make sure that you relax your scalp ..let the blood get in/out your follicles eazy, ......massage is a main key to regrow your hair ....it is hard because it is a daily process and the result may not coming fast that why people hate it ...when hair start to grow it will be hard to notice them because they are very thin and not completely dark
but you can touch them with your fingers .

Umm..Thanks i already do that but not for hair.I use it as a way to fight some stress, with any scented oil.The blood in and out thing is good to hear but im not so sure that it works for hair regrowth.GREAT STRESS RELIEVER but not so sure about hair growth.Dermarolling is good and it has studies to back it too