How close are we to FUE using hair cloning?

[Diffused_confidence]

There would still be a need for cloning or multiplication to cure scarring alopecia

But it is extremely rare and probably not profitable. It always comes down to money. The most common form of balding is male pattern baldness and if the only men who are bald are men who just decided to let it happen in the first place then they won't be willing to pay for an expensive hair transplant.

 

[Selb]

But it is extremely rare and probably not profitable. It always comes down to money. The most common form of balding is male pattern baldness and if the only men who are bald are men who just decided to let it happen in the first place then they won't be willing to pay for an expensive hair transplant.

I would say it’s probably worthwhile for them if they’ve already invented the tech. Scarring alopecia can probably be covered by insurance too. And cosmetically, sometimes people want denser hair

 

[froggy7]

My gut says 5 years for supplemental treatment (breezula, kx826, etc), 10 years for alternative treatment to prevent balding (gt20029), 20 years for stem cell therapy that actually works.

My biggest fear is this scenario:

Suppose gt20029 or something comes out and it is extremely effective at prevention. Then what incentive is there to cure balding when the bald people who are far gone are just going to die out and no one is going to need treatment? The cure for baldness may never come because of this.

20 years? i think stemson deliver cure much earlier

 

[Diffused_confidence]

20 years? i think stemson deliver cure much earlier

Doubtful. I'm actually predicting that they fail along with tsuji. But in 2035 or something there would be some revolutionary work in general for stem cells and that will be applied to hair soon after.

 

[froggy7]

Doubtful. I'm actually predicting that they fail along with tsuji. But in 2035 or something there would be some revolutionary work in general for stem cells and that will be applied to hair soon after.

why they will fail? fortunis guy said pig trial was sucsessfull...

 

[Diffused_confidence]

why they will fail? fortunis guy said pig trial was sucsessfull...

Can you link the study? I thought they didn't start that yet and they only had work on mice.

 

[froggy7]

Can you link the study? I thought they didn't start that yet and they only had work on mice.

it was fortunis seminar on stemson topic, ypu can find it in this forum

 

[DuncanOP]

Since we have many companies and entities that are working to make it happen, I hope this will be done until 2027.
Examples: TissUse, Stemson, Stemore, Tsuji, Yokohoma University, HairClone

By the way, someone knows about the status of Tissuse - Smart Hair Transplant? I think they will start a trial this year, last time I read about it.
But I not finding anything about this status in their website.

 

[Diffused_confidence]

Since we have many companies and entities that are working to make it happen, I hope this will be done until 2027.
Examples: TissUse, Stemson, Stemore, Tsuji, Yokohoma University, HairClone

By the way, someone knows about the status of Tissuse - Smart Hair Transplant? I think they will start a trial this year, last time I read about it.
But I not finding anything about this status in their website.

 

[DuncanOP]

My gut says 5 years for supplemental treatment (breezula, kx826, etc), 10 years for alternative treatment to prevent balding (gt20029), 20 years for stem cell therapy that actually works.

My biggest fear is this scenario:

Suppose gt20029 or something comes out and it is extremely effective at prevention. Then what incentive is there to cure balding when the bald people who are far gone are just going to die out and no one is going to need treatment? The cure for baldness may never come because of this.

I think you must consider the people that don't like to use drugs. Will not be rare people who prefer to go bald and then have a transplant with hair cloning instead of taking medication for the rest of their lives.

So, I think the market for hair clone always will exist (Or maybe until the gene edition to remove baldness )

 

[Diffused_confidence]

I think you must consider the people that don't like to use drugs. Will not be rare people who prefer to go bald and then have a transplant with hair cloning instead of taking medication for the rest of their lives.

So, I think the market for hair clone always will exist (Or maybe until the gene edition to remove baldness )

Gene therapy would be ideal but balding isn't just 1 gene it's just too complicated to pinpoint. Even if they find a few genes that they could edit, it is believed that there are a couple hundred factors in play.

 

[Marcaronii]

Since we have many companies and entities that are working to make it happen, I hope this will be done until 2027.
Examples: TissUse, Stemson, Stemore, Tsuji, Yokohoma University, HairClone

By the way, someone knows about the status of Tissuse - Smart Hair Transplant? I think they will start a trial this year, last time I read about it.
But I not finding anything about this status in their website.

HairClone useless company lol

 

[froggy7]

HairClone useless company lol

stemore too

 

[Mighty]

I get being optimistic for your own sanity that's great

Being optimistic is good at first, but then the years start to pile up. One, two, three, four, five years... Look at the time lost to the pandemic alone.

A pragmatic thinking is the best way to deal with hair loss. A hair loss cure will be welcome, but it will also be sideline news for me. I am happy I broke free from this cycle of optimism and disappointment. It is toxic cycle.

 

[DuncanOP]

Gene therapy would be ideal but balding isn't just 1 gene it's just too complicated to pinpoint. Even if they find a few genes that they could edit, it is believed that there are a couple hundred factors in play.

I agree

HairClone useless company lol

I agree, not choose a good example

stemore too

Why?

T&R Biofab, Epibiotech to co-develop stem cell therapy for hair loss

T&R Biofab, a company specializing in 3D bioprinting, said Thursday that it has signed a deal with Epibiotech, a new drug candidate material developer, to co-develop hair loss treatment using induced pluripotent stem cells.T&R Biofab and Epibiotech plan to establish a co-development system and promo

www.koreabiomed.com

It seems legit to me

 

[ADP]

1.Unlikely
2.Impossible
3.They've already been demonstrated to grow for multiple cycles

20 years is crazy. By that time Tsuji will be cloning livers

I remember back in the year ~2002, one regular poster from another forum said early 2004 while another guy said not before 2015. Everyone bashed the guy who said 2015. Other predictions were 5 years away back then and 5 years away now. Don't get me wrong. I want this as soon as possible but history has shown that it takes time and often LUCK!

 

[Diffused_confidence]

I remember back in the year ~2002, one regular poster from another forum said early 2004 while another guy said not before 2015. Everyone bashed the guy who said 2015. Other predictions were 5 years away back then and 5 years away now. Don't get me wrong. I want this as soon as possible but history has shown that it takes time and often LUCK!

This tech is at least 20 years away because the technology AND medical advancements are not there yet. Remember they are trying to clone an organ. Have we been able to do this with other organs? No, the best we have potentially is stem cells and so far the stem cell treatments don't seem to be very effective. You need a big breakthrough in medical research and the technological advancement to effectively give you an application. Even if they have a proven concept to grow new hairs, what makes you think those hairs are going to grow long? Have growth cycles? Not get rejected? Cost effective? Efficient? I think the best we can get in 20 years is the graft yields being near perfect with minimal scarring. That way a guy can just move every hair from the sides to the scalp and have not horrible scarring and very few lost grafts.

 

[Mighty]

I don't believe this treatment will be available before 7-10 years for "regular" ppl. And this is me being extremely optimistic. 5 years? Not a chance. There are some things that I want to see before being optimistic like some ppl around here.

I have yet to see tests in human beings. I have to see a picture of few cloned hairs grown on a human being. And I have to read they these hairs are OK after a long time and that the patient is also healthy. I have to watch the first serious attempt to "cure" a bald guy and I have to read they they were successful.

After that, maybe, I guess I will finally starts to warm up the idea of regular ppl being able to afford the treatment in a near future.

 

[trialAcc]

I remember back in the year ~2002, one regular poster from another forum said early 2004 while another guy said not before 2015. Everyone bashed the guy who said 2015. Other predictions were 5 years away back then and 5 years away now. Don't get me wrong. I want this as soon as possible but history has shown that it takes time and often LUCK!

A successfully cloned human hair was first accomplished in 2013. We're talking about commercial availability 10-15 years after this was done here.

Are we supposed to compare this to people on a forum making baseless predictions 11 years before it was even successful in a petri dish? The comparison of timelines and predictions is irrelevant, people like to make predictions based on timelines that would be suitable for themselves, not where the actual science is. Now the science is "proven" from a pre-clinical proof of concept perspective, and the final step is how it translates on humans. In most clinical settings, this is a 5-8 year process from exactly where Tsuji & Stemson are now. This is no different.

 

[trialAcc]

This tech is at least 20 years away because the technology AND medical advancements are not there yet. Remember they are trying to clone an organ. Have we been able to do this with other organs? No, the best we have potentially is stem cells and so far the stem cell treatments don't seem to be very effective. You need a big breakthrough in medical research and the technological advancement to effectively give you an application. Even if they have a proven concept to grow new hairs, what makes you think those hairs are going to grow long? Have growth cycles? Not get rejected? Cost effective? Efficient? I think the best we can get in 20 years is the graft yields being near perfect with minimal scarring. That way a guy can just move every hair from the sides to the scalp and have not horrible scarring and very few lost grafts.

Scientists Grow Full-Sized, Beating Human Hearts From Stem Cells

A team of scientists from Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School has gotten one step closer, using adult skin cells to regenerate functional heart tissue from stable scaffolding.

www.popsci.com

World's First Artificial Human Liver Grown In Lab

The world's first artificial liver has been grown from stem cells by British scientists. The resulting "mini-liver" is the size of a small coin.

www.livescience.com

One step closer to growing made-to-order human kidneys

Researchers successfully used stem cells to grow mouse kidneys inside rats.

www.sciencedaily.com

Try again. Also, you might try actually reading the studies/data put out by these companies, mainly Stemson & Tsuji. Literally everything you mentioned from, growth, cycles, rejection and cost efficiency is addressed.