How to deal with side effects from Propecia
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Re: How to deal with side effects from finasteride
Yes, I think i will.
I'm going to lower my estrogen first though via aromasin (endo permitting). I might take the creatine on my 2nd or 3rd week of my aromasin so it can increase DHT levels and hopefully help normalise my T/E/DHT ratio for when i go off the aromasin.
Every little helps. In fact, the little things are what matters.
Yes, I think i will.
I'm going to lower my estrogen first though via aromasin (endo permitting). I might take the creatine on my 2nd or 3rd week of my aromasin so it can increase DHT levels and hopefully help normalise my T/E/DHT ratio for when i go off the aromasin.
Every little helps. In fact, the little things are what matters.
Re: How to deal with side effects from finasteride
Not at all. Im just after taking my 3rd 0.25mg. Maybe i should up it to 0.5mg.
I don't expect much. My body never really has sudden changes from these things i didn't expect much. We'll see though its early days.
I dont think cabergoline is that potent certainly at that dosage though.
Enden said:
Not at all. Im just after taking my 3rd 0.25mg. Maybe i should up it to 0.5mg.
I don't expect much. My body never really has sudden changes from these things i didn't expect much. We'll see though its early days.
I dont think cabergoline is that potent certainly at that dosage though.
Re: How to deal with side effects from finasteride
No effect from the dostinex for me anyway.
Clomid is a SERM (selective estrogen blocker) tricking your body into producing more testosterone (and thus stimulating LH).
It's helped people before, but its not something you would simply take unless you were recommended it. I havent seen your latest bloods mate.
monty1978 said:
No effect from the dostinex for me anyway.
Clomid is a SERM (selective estrogen blocker) tricking your body into producing more testosterone (and thus stimulating LH).
It's helped people before, but its not something you would simply take unless you were recommended it. I havent seen your latest bloods mate.
Re: How to deal with side effects from finasteride
Arimidex is on its way, mate. It's enough for 3 months treatment, which seems to be needed to shift the ratios properly. Use 0.5 mg twice a week for as long as you manage to hold out, if you're going that route. On the first page of this thread, you see a success story from propeciahelp. Arimidex was used as treatment.
Btw, the testosterone/estrogen ratio has more to do with the sexual function than anything else, but dopamine enhances libido and pleasure.
Arimidex is on its way, mate. It's enough for 3 months treatment, which seems to be needed to shift the ratios properly. Use 0.5 mg twice a week for as long as you manage to hold out, if you're going that route. On the first page of this thread, you see a success story from propeciahelp. Arimidex was used as treatment.
Btw, the testosterone/estrogen ratio has more to do with the sexual function than anything else, but dopamine enhances libido and pleasure.
Re: How to deal with side effects from finasteride
I'm now officially having problem with thyriod hormones too. TSH and FT4 are above the range. Those who analysed the test, say it's something wrong the the ratio, and ask if I've been using Levaxin. FT4 was above the range one month ago, but TSH was fine. The only change I did in the meantime, was to cut the finasteride dose down to 0.25 mg, one week before the latest test.
I'm going to do some experimenting with RU58841, to see if it's an alternative to Propecia. If it works, I'm probably going to quit. It's hard to stabilize the testosterone/estrogen ratio while I'm on finasteride. I'm closing in to the optimum ratio again, and I hope a little more DHT in the system will make it stick this time. Still, thyriod problems are... f***. I know a lot of people are having trouble with their thyriod hormones after quitting finasteride, in addition to secondary hypogonadism.
I'm now officially having problem with thyriod hormones too. TSH and FT4 are above the range. Those who analysed the test, say it's something wrong the the ratio, and ask if I've been using Levaxin. FT4 was above the range one month ago, but TSH was fine. The only change I did in the meantime, was to cut the finasteride dose down to 0.25 mg, one week before the latest test.
I'm going to do some experimenting with RU58841, to see if it's an alternative to Propecia. If it works, I'm probably going to quit. It's hard to stabilize the testosterone/estrogen ratio while I'm on finasteride. I'm closing in to the optimum ratio again, and I hope a little more DHT in the system will make it stick this time. Still, thyriod problems are... f***. I know a lot of people are having trouble with their thyriod hormones after quitting finasteride, in addition to secondary hypogonadism.
Re: How to deal with side effects from finasteride
Well, I've never been completely sane anyway
I'm not worried about what works or not, if I get results from a combination of minoxidil and RU. I need a vehicle anyway, and if I can get it premixed labeled Rogain, I'll take it.
I'm a NW2, diffuse thinning in a NW6 pattern. My father is a NW3, diffuse thinning in the same pattern. My balding is visible, and I was getting comments on it before Propecia.
I don't think building muscle will affect your hormones. Loosing weight on the other hand, might increase testosterone a bit, since you'll have less estrogen.
Well, I've never been completely sane anyway
I'm not worried about what works or not, if I get results from a combination of minoxidil and RU. I need a vehicle anyway, and if I can get it premixed labeled Rogain, I'll take it.
I'm a NW2, diffuse thinning in a NW6 pattern. My father is a NW3, diffuse thinning in the same pattern. My balding is visible, and I was getting comments on it before Propecia.
I don't think building muscle will affect your hormones. Loosing weight on the other hand, might increase testosterone a bit, since you'll have less estrogen.
Re: How to deal with side effects from finasteride
I've paused treatment with finasteride. This is the first day without treatment. For some reason, it's very difficult to maintain the optimum testosterone/estrogen ratio. I just went right past it, again. I need sharp senses when I'm going to experiment with another drug, anyway. I expect normal DHT levels within a couple of weeks. The ratios will probably still be screwed, but it'll be easier to recover. Hopefully, I get my RU58841 within a week.
I've paused treatment with finasteride. This is the first day without treatment. For some reason, it's very difficult to maintain the optimum testosterone/estrogen ratio. I just went right past it, again. I need sharp senses when I'm going to experiment with another drug, anyway. I expect normal DHT levels within a couple of weeks. The ratios will probably still be screwed, but it'll be easier to recover. Hopefully, I get my RU58841 within a week.
Re: How to deal with side effects from finasteride
I guess, it's in France. I need my packet with Rogaine before I can begin treatment anyway. Customs here can be a real b**ch, though. I think they've more boarder control than any other country in the world, when it comes to packets. They tax every little thing they can. I had a packet with legal medication which got stuck this summer. I thought, since a lot of people were on vacation, more would just slip by, but guess what, they transported packets to storage places, and kept my packet for one week, just to see if it was anything they could tax.
I guess, it's in France. I need my packet with Rogaine before I can begin treatment anyway. Customs here can be a real b**ch, though. I think they've more boarder control than any other country in the world, when it comes to packets. They tax every little thing they can. I had a packet with legal medication which got stuck this summer. I thought, since a lot of people were on vacation, more would just slip by, but guess what, they transported packets to storage places, and kept my packet for one week, just to see if it was anything they could tax.
Re: How to deal with side effects from finasteride
Hey Enden,
Figured i'd hop in this thread since I see that you used my case as an example in your post (which i have no problem with at all). The first week or so taking .25mg was great...my sides had gone away (except for the lower ejaculation volume/sort of water semen but less watery than on .5mg) Its been a few weeks now since I switched and unfortunately things have not stayed as great.
I have once again begun having issues with libido/erection quality. Also, right before I switched to .25 i had been having pains in the head of my penis, as well as a cold sensation..these came and went. I had been having some on and off prostate pains as well.... none of these pains were TERRIBLE....they were minor but noticeable. These penis head/prostate sensations have returned recently. Also, again I feel like my flacid size is not what its supposed to be (penis seems thinner... wimpier)
I must also say I've had a cold over the past few days so that may explain the lack of libido/erections...im not sure....but the pains concern me. As of today I'm off finasteride. Been off for a day now. Symptoms havent stopped yet but hopefully htey will. Taking 800mg tribulus twice a day as well as 60mg of zinc at night which i may bump up because I feel its lost effectiveness (ive been taking this dosse of zinc every night for probably a month) This is disappointing as my hair has been looking great lately, i feel it has definitely improved in quality and appearance over the past couple months. Shedding has definitely slowd down and I believe i've started to get some regrowth (im also on minoxidil)
I'm going to stop finasteride for now..recover fully..wait a couple months then MAYBE start again. We'll see...i may look into RU or fluridil (i dont know much about either)
Enden: I know that finasteride shrinks the prostate, i assume this is why finasteride users experience less ejaculation volume. When I have sex my volume isnt bad, but when I jack off my volume is pathetic.... Will the prostate restore size after stopping finasteride? Will ejaculation volume improve? Or is it once you lose it, thats it as far as the prostate goes?
Hey Enden,
Figured i'd hop in this thread since I see that you used my case as an example in your post (which i have no problem with at all). The first week or so taking .25mg was great...my sides had gone away (except for the lower ejaculation volume/sort of water semen but less watery than on .5mg) Its been a few weeks now since I switched and unfortunately things have not stayed as great.
I have once again begun having issues with libido/erection quality. Also, right before I switched to .25 i had been having pains in the head of my penis, as well as a cold sensation..these came and went. I had been having some on and off prostate pains as well.... none of these pains were TERRIBLE....they were minor but noticeable. These penis head/prostate sensations have returned recently. Also, again I feel like my flacid size is not what its supposed to be (penis seems thinner... wimpier)
I must also say I've had a cold over the past few days so that may explain the lack of libido/erections...im not sure....but the pains concern me. As of today I'm off finasteride. Been off for a day now. Symptoms havent stopped yet but hopefully htey will. Taking 800mg tribulus twice a day as well as 60mg of zinc at night which i may bump up because I feel its lost effectiveness (ive been taking this dosse of zinc every night for probably a month) This is disappointing as my hair has been looking great lately, i feel it has definitely improved in quality and appearance over the past couple months. Shedding has definitely slowd down and I believe i've started to get some regrowth (im also on minoxidil)
I'm going to stop finasteride for now..recover fully..wait a couple months then MAYBE start again. We'll see...i may look into RU or fluridil (i dont know much about either)
Enden: I know that finasteride shrinks the prostate, i assume this is why finasteride users experience less ejaculation volume. When I have sex my volume isnt bad, but when I jack off my volume is pathetic.... Will the prostate restore size after stopping finasteride? Will ejaculation volume improve? Or is it once you lose it, thats it as far as the prostate goes?
Re: How to deal with side effects from finasteride
I'm sorry to hear that, but I appreciate your update. I've been trying to maintain the optimum testosterone/estrogen ratio myself, and I've a lot more tools than you. Still, it's damn hard. I'm unable to maintain the spot for more than a couple of days. Now it's just below.
As for prostate fluid, the amount depends more on release frequency - in my experience. A couple of days without a release, should increase the amount. DHT stimulates the prostate, so deficiency may play a part too. I don't know. Finasteride is able to shrink your prostate, but DHT will make it grow again, when you quit.
NOTE:
You may have used too much zinc. It gives you the same symptoms. Typically, when it's too low, you'll have low libido, and it's hard to get erections. When it's a little too high, you've good libido, and you get erections, but they're softer. It's hard to know for sure without regular blood tests.
I'm sorry to hear that, but I appreciate your update. I've been trying to maintain the optimum testosterone/estrogen ratio myself, and I've a lot more tools than you. Still, it's damn hard. I'm unable to maintain the spot for more than a couple of days. Now it's just below.
As for prostate fluid, the amount depends more on release frequency - in my experience. A couple of days without a release, should increase the amount. DHT stimulates the prostate, so deficiency may play a part too. I don't know. Finasteride is able to shrink your prostate, but DHT will make it grow again, when you quit.
NOTE:
You may have used too much zinc. It gives you the same symptoms. Typically, when it's too low, you'll have low libido, and it's hard to get erections. When it's a little too high, you've good libido, and you get erections, but they're softer. It's hard to know for sure without regular blood tests.
Re: How to deal with side effects from finasteride
Enden,
I take your hypothesis re: PFS to be a relatively positive one. Although you agree that PFS exists in some form and can have a highly negative impact on patients, you also seem to believe that it is treatable and even curable given enough time and the proper treatment. My question is whether you think that ALL cases of PFS work this way, or do you believe that there are some cases in which patients simply cannot be treated, as appears to be the claim from the propeciahelp guys?
Enden,
I take your hypothesis re: PFS to be a relatively positive one. Although you agree that PFS exists in some form and can have a highly negative impact on patients, you also seem to believe that it is treatable and even curable given enough time and the proper treatment. My question is whether you think that ALL cases of PFS work this way, or do you believe that there are some cases in which patients simply cannot be treated, as appears to be the claim from the propeciahelp guys?