How To Win On Tinder, Advice From Most Swiped Guy In Nj.

[Dante92]

If you do not believe that confidence, wit and a personality are attractive features then you are the grandest fool of all.

 

[DBW]

Who here has had success on tinder and pof?

I think you may be in denial at your lack of wit and online game.

I think you may be in denial to the importance of your good looks. I'm glad you mentioned Tinder as I'm a bit of an old hat on the app and can counter your nonsense with real authority. I have had a number of profiles over the last year or so, some using older photos of myself pre-NW6, others with my hairline as it is now, some with pictures of male models, some with female models and swiped pics of attractive girls and boys that I knew in real life. I wanted to see for myself the impact that looks had in online dating compared to personality, whether 'online game' has any impact or whether its all just predetermined from the photos. You want to know what I concluded? Its the f*****g photos man! The results were something like follows: NW2/3 me (flattering photos), roughly 15-20 matches in a couple of days, a match rate of something around 15%. NW6 me got 2, both landwhales, and I actually swiped slightly more girls right on the NW6 account than I did on the NW2.5. The models, as you can imagine, cleaned up. It was actually quite depressing. The dude was pushing 100 matches, the match rate was easily 80%+, while the model girl was even more succesful, I don't think even a single guy I swiped right rejected her. Most depressing though were the results of the real-life attractive acquaintances. Whilst nowhere near on the model level, the attractive guy secured an easy 50-60 matches (he was probably around an 8 in terms of rating). The attractive everyday girl (who is actually also a model so potentially unrepresentative) secured around 100, many of them highly attractive suitors in their own right.

These stats are crushing, but they're far from the most discouraging thing I witnessed in these experiments. That came when I begun to arrange fake dates. The "game" aspect, as you would call it. I deliberately modulated my "game" significantly between matches. For some, I would genuinely go out of my way to try and screw things up, pretending to be socially awkward, a virgin, thick as a plank of wood. Whilst I would be lying if I said that my severe lack of game made no difference, it was incredibly difficult to mess things up with the attractive profiles. The model girl, in particular, could do no f*****g wrong. Several times I outrighted insulted a number of matches, to which they would only grovel and lust after her all the more. With the exception of outright rejecting them, I could say anything and still get in their pants. With NW2/3 me though, it was a different story, poor game was crucified by and large, but interestingly, 'good game' didn't actually do a whole lot for me either. A lot of girls were still on the fence, no matter how slick my conversation. The experience with the attractive acquaintances was, as you'd expect, half way between the models' and mine. Bad game could certainly still blow things, but in terms of securing a date, it was much more a matter of not doing anything drastically wrong than actively doing things right.

Possibly the most damning bit of evidence from this whole thing though came when the NW2/3 me matched with the same girl as the male model profile. She was a 5/6 out of 10, nothing amazing, but cute nonetheless. I used almost the exact same chat up line to open the conversation with each profile, a variant of "I bet I can make you c*m with my hands tied behind my back". The NW2.5 was unmatched within seconds, the male model got "go onnnn ".

I imagine you're going to pour scorn on this, accuse me of BS or something similar. I understand your skepticism. I saw a similar experiement to mine on a bodybuilding website and I reacted exactly the same. So I tested it out for myself and lo and behold, they were right. I'd encourage you and others to do the same. Create a few fake profiles yourself and prepare to be red-pilled to the eyeballs.

 

[kj6723]

I think you may be in denial to the importance of your good looks. I'm glad you mentioned Tinder as I'm a bit of an old hat on the app and can counter your nonsense with real authority. I have had a number of profiles over the last year or so, some using older photos of myself pre-NW6, others with my hairline as it is now, some with pictures of male models, some with female models and swiped pics of attractive girls and boys that I knew in real life. I wanted to see for myself the impact that looks had in online dating compared to personality, whether 'online game' has any impact or whether its all just predetermined from the photos. You want to know what I concluded? Its the f*****g photos man! The results were something like follows: NW2/3 me (flattering photos), roughly 15-20 matches in a couple of days, a match rate of something around 15%. NW6 me got 2, both landwhales, and I actually swiped slightly more girls right on the NW6 account than I did on the NW2.5. The models, as you can imagine, cleaned up. It was actually quite depressing. The dude was pushing 100 matches, the match rate was easily 80%+, while the model girl was even more succesful, I don't think even a single guy I swiped right rejected her. Most depressing though were the results of the real-life attractive acquaintances. Whilst nowhere near on the model level, the attractive guy secured an easy 50-60 matches (he was probably around an 8 in terms of rating). The attractive everyday girl (who is actually also a model so potentially unrepresentative) secured around 100, many of them highly attractive suitors in their own right.

These stats are crushing, but they're far from the most discouraging thing I witnessed in these experiments. That came when I begun to arrange fake dates. The "game" aspect, as you would call it. I deliberately modulated my "game" significantly between matches. For some, I would genuinely go out of my way to try and screw things up, pretending to be socially awkward, a virgin, thick as a plank of wood. Whilst I would be lying if I said that my severe lack of game made no difference, it was incredibly difficult to mess things up with the attractive profiles. The model girl, in particular, could do no f*****g wrong. Several times I outrighted insulted a number of matches, to which they would only grovel and lust after her all the more. With the exception of outright rejecting them, I could say anything and still get in their pants. With NW2/3 me though, it was a different story, poor game was crucified by and large, but interestingly, 'good game' didn't actually do a whole lot for me either. A lot of girls were still on the fence, no matter how slick my conversation. The experience with the attractive acquaintances was, as you'd expect, half way between the models' and mine. Bad game could certainly still blow things, but in terms of securing a date, it was much more a matter of not doing anything drastically wrong than actively doing things right.

Possibly the most damning bit of evidence from this whole thing though came when the NW2/3 me matched with the same girl as the male model profile. She was a 5/6 out of 10, nothing amazing, but cute nonetheless. I used almost the exact same chat up line to open the conversation with each profile, a variant of "I bet I can make you c*m with my hands tied behind my back". The NW2.5 was unmatched within seconds, the male model got "go onnnn ".

I imagine you're going to pour scorn on this, accuse me of BS or something similar. I understand your skepticism. I saw a similar experiement to mine on a bodybuilding website and I reacted exactly the same. So I tested it out for myself and lo and behold, they were right. I'd encourage you and others to do the same. Create a few fake profiles yourself and prepare to be red-pilled to the eyeballs.

Solid research project.

I commend you

 

[shookwun]

Lol solid reality check.

I can also the Confirm the whole women's inhibitions and what you say going out the door once she wants your dick in her slit. When a girl thought of me as as attractive and nothing special it was a lot of exchange of messages but wasn't for sure closure on actually meeting up for a date, despite having her number.


When they were heavily attracted, it was an over night difference in excitment and making time for you. A lot of the time it would involve same day meet ups with great texting, and replies. No one word yawning answers, and if I didn't reply back they would follow up. 'Babyy!?'



Lol just lol at game mattering.

I have said it hundreds of times. How receptive a women is to you is determined by your tier of aesthetics.


Good field report

 

[Roberto_72]

Fantastic first comment to the article


Be born with perfect hair and great face genes. Have money. Work out, develop some sort of personality, anyone will do. There you go, that's how you win tinder.

 

[CopeForLife]

Lol solid reality check.

I can also the Confirm the whole women's inhibitions and what you say going out the door once she wants your dick in her slit. When a girl thought of me as as attractive and nothing special it was a lot of exchange of messages but wasn't for sure closure on actually meeting up for a date, despite having her number.


When they were heavily attracted, it was an over night difference in excitment and making time for you. A lot of the time it would involve same day meet ups with great texting, and replies. No one word yawning answers, and if I didn't reply back they would follow up. 'Babyy!?'



Lol just lol at game mattering.

I have said it hundreds of times. How receptive a women is to you is determined by your tier of aesthetics.


Good field report

Bouquet of flowers on the first won't work?

 

[shookwun]

Bouquet of flowers on the first won't work?

Problem with these apps is male models are not realistic examples. Handsome men are very rare, and not good examples of what men can expect.

I seriously am starting to think that that male offspring is severely complex for producing a attractive male. Most women I see on the daily I would have sex with and a lot are pretry. I am pretty good at judging a man's aesthetics and I rarely see in a pool of 100 a few -10 that stand out. Perhaps it's my tesosterone that makes me a bull for spreading his seed in all women, but women are far different on selection within the online scene. Thy ate bombarded with average Joe's messaging them to hang out. Why would they meet up, when eventually a handsome man will swipe for them?

It's much easier to find a pretty chick in the street willing to give you a chance as a.mediocre man.


I read some studies awhile back showing how out of pools of women men picked yes for 78% but women on other hand said yes to I believe somewhere between 25-32%

 

[Dench57]

once she wants your dick in her slit

beautiful, quite Shakespearean

That's how you win women in general.

that's how you win life*

 

[Dante92]

beautiful, quite Shakespearean



that's how you win life*

Sadly true. I need a drink now.

 

[DBW]

Problem with these apps is male models are not realistic examples. Handsome men are very rare, and not good examples of what men can expect.

I seriously am starting to think that that male offspring is severely complex for producing a attractive male. Most women I see on the daily I would have sex with and a lot are pretry. I am pretty good at judging a man's aesthetics and I rarely see in a pool of 100 a few -10 that stand out. Perhaps it's my tesosterone that makes me a bull for spreading his seed in all women, but women are far different on selection within the online scene. Thy ate bombarded with average Joe's messaging them to hang out. Why would they meet up, when eventually a handsome man will swipe for them?

It's much easier to find a pretty chick in the street willing to give you a chance as a.mediocre man.


I read some studies awhile back showing how out of pools of women men picked yes for 78% but women on other hand said yes to I believe somewhere between 25-32%

I too have heard similar stats. Just brose some of the Tinder/OKCupid forums and you should be able to get your hands on some numbers. Women are far more selective than men. According to Tinder's user reports, men swipe right almost 50% of the time. Top 50% as a women and you'll be getting plenty of attention. By contrast, woman swipe right only 10%-16% of the time.

I also concur with shookwun's observations about the frequency of properly attractive dudes out in the field. From my own experiences, at school and university mainly, I'd say around 5-10 guys out of every 100 meet this criteria. 1 out of every 100 will be model tier. And living a sex life we can't even imagine.

 

[Dante92]

With this profile picture, FredTheBelgian looks like such a cuddly vulnerable person, a gentle giant. Yet he attracts a lot of this

http://data.boomerang.nl/t/toettoet/image/im-gonna-get-medieval-on-your-***/s600/im-gonna-get-medieval-on-your-***.png

I'm sure h.l. will masturbate to this for days.

 

[DBW]

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/a43394/i-slept-with-a-male-model/

This. I know it is likely sensationalised, but the basic premise is still there. This guy treated her like a block of lead yet she still slept with him. So what if he never fucks her again? Do you honestly think he cares? All the MM has to do is swap her out for another doe-eyed, sexually ambitious 6/7 and the boy's golden. Hypergamy at its finest. And confirmed for us by no less than an extremely popular woman's magazine.

 

[shookwun]

Baha.

He could slap her in the face and tell her to f*** off. She will leave.

See him with another women the following week. Text him saying he's a jerk and a *** hole. Then show up at his doorsteps the next day pleading, and crying.

 

[shookwun]

Plus, who wants to f*** average chicks. Its a bore and a chore. I would rather beat off then be constantly trying to figure a way to get her out once I splooge


Once you have sex with a hot female and turn into that virall animal that nature intended for, you realise how awesome sex is with someone you are compatible with. Those dirty rampant animalistic feelings come out, and you feel alive.

I don't get those feelings with average women that i dont want to be with. Its a dopamine chase, and just a quick fix that leaves you struggling to achieve a fun experience. To the point where you just want to lay back, get dome and think about the finer women in life. Sex is horrible, and will leave you with a semi that has ups and downs.


I would rather be alone then go through those ropes again.

 

[GoldenMane]

I actually get a decent number of matches on Tinder , about 1 a day, many quite attractive, but I almost never message them. If they message me then I'll always message back but usually if I message them first it's a chore, like getting blood from a stone trying to chat. POF was awful though, I think women only use it to massage their egos.

 

[tellersquill]

DBW, I'm not on here and 'attack' you. That wouldn't be my style. You seem intelligent and even though our opinions differ to mine it doesn't mean that we have to take anything to heart and be offended. A good debate can be good for both parties!

I imagine you are correct in saying that you have more success with women when you looked better. Certainly on tinder, I swipe without reading their profiles, I just swipe based on looks. With pof you probably have more of a chance.

What I was saying is that I do okay and I'm only decent looking (not a model by any means). I think by being okay in the looks department AND having interests, passions, some wit, and some online game is what helps me secure dates. The reason I mention this is not to brag but to say that many people on this forum shouldn't write themselves off as undatable because they have hairloss.

Many people just need to improve their pictures: have some fun shots with friends, doing something active, one where you are in a suit etc, and use them bloody filters! Sell your self like you were selling a car on ebay! Make yourself look as good as you can!

Also, just out of curiosity, has anyone come across RSD Tyler? He's a ginger NW4 and 5'8 and he is one of the finest pick up artists in the world (I'm not that into pua but it is relevant and proof that its not all looks).

 

[tellersquill]

Shookwun, on who wants to date average chicks....

I do. Well, that's not entirely true. I'd love to date wealthy 10s. But then again, maybe I wouldn't. Maybe they would make me feel insecure.

I've dated many women who are average in the looks department but they were so fun to be around.

I met an amazing American teacher in Croatia years ago. She wasn't stunning, just okay looking, but as we spent the day together we were getting along so well, talking about music, history, books, and just having fun. As the day passed we became drunk, ate food, and later slept together in a quiet little hotel. Afterwards we ran out in the night and went skinny dipping in a lake. After that we spent three days together making out and having fun.

What was my memories of being with this average looking woman? Well, they were some of my finest memories. Those days with the American girl were some of the greatest days of my life (thus far).

And that, my friend, is my defence of average looking women.

 

[N003]

Shookwun, on who wants to date average chicks....

I do. Well, that's not entirely true. I'd love to date wealthy 10s. But then again, maybe I wouldn't. Maybe they would make me feel insecure.

I've dated many women who are average in the looks department but they were so fun to be around.

I met an amazing American teacher in Croatia years ago. She wasn't stunning, just okay looking, but as we spent the day together we were getting along so well, talking about music, history, books, and just having fun. As the day passed we became drunk, ate food, and later slept together in a quiet little hotel. Afterwards we ran out in the night and went skinny dipping in a lake. After that we spent three days together making out and having fun.

What was my memories of being with this average looking woman? Well, they were some of my finest memories. Those days with the American girl were some of the greatest days of my life (thus far).

And that, my friend, is my defence of average looking women.

Very well written mister

I also have no problem with women.

I had a lot of women in my life.
All were average (but sweet) but some of them had an amazing personality.

I do not need a model or externally perfect woman.
Extremely beautiful women I find very boring. Yes nice to watch but they
not excite me sexually

 

[hellouser]

No way, it's totally his "confidence" and awesome personality that just exudes from his very picture!

If only my pictures showed so much confidence!!!

 

[shookwun]

I actually get a decent number of matches on Tinder , about 1 a day, many quite attractive, but I almost never message them. If they message me then I'll always message back but usually if I message them first it's a chore, like getting blood from a stone trying to chat. POF was awful though, I think women only use it to massage their egos.

Matches dont mean anything.
Just saying.


How many chicks someone acually meets up with is all that matters for ratings:success ratio.


Your looks threshold determines if she will meet up or not. Not endless banter, messaging back n fourth like pen pals. I have gotten to the point now where when I date, I make a phone call and a few message exchanged and if we are not meeting up I delete the wh*** from my directory. Endless texting is a waste of time.