I Am Actually Regrowing My Hair + Hairline Without Min Or finasteride (mechanical Stimulation)

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@MyThinningConfidence How does your temple/scalp looks in the day after microneedling with 1,5mm? Is it noticable for ppl, that you did something?
How long does it takes to heal everything (No redness)
With the 1.5mm there wasn't too much redness, it mostly looked normal after a shower with just some light redness although with these more intensive sessions I've been experimenting with it can be red for up to 2 days and sometimes with some light redness on day 3. I usually have hair covering my temples so it's not really something that people would notice, at worst it just looks like a light sunburn. In most cases it's usually fully healed after 4-5 days.
 

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concentration
I have two different brands but neither say the exact concentration on anything but the retinol, one of them has hydrochloric acid second on the ingredient so it appears to be one of the bigger ingredients. These are the two exact products I've been using, I'll be using the Environfields one first though since I don't like the packaging.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MELAO-P...630564180:m:mDjEmeEHgAcNI9epDI-RVxA:rk:1:pf:1
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PURE-RE...JcbgKzTZUtBiD18YDhnA:rk:2:pf:1&frcectupt=true
 

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I have two different brands but neither say the exact concentration on anything but the retinol, one of them has hydrochloric acid second on the ingredient so it appears to be one of the bigger ingredients. These are the two exact products I've been using, I'll be using the Environfields one first though since I don't like the packaging.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MELAO-P...630564180:m:mDjEmeEHgAcNI9epDI-RVxA:rk:1:pf:1
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PURE-RE...JcbgKzTZUtBiD18YDhnA:rk:2:pf:1&frcectupt=true

"Sulphate-Free, Alcohol-Free, All Natural Ingredients, Ammonia-Free, Colourant-Free, Contains Vitamins, Cruelty-free/No Animal Testing, Fair Trade, Formaldehyde-Free, Hypoallergenic, Non-Comedogenic, Oil-Free, Paraben-Free, Perfume-Free, Silicon-Free, Sulfate-Free, Vegan"
and
" 2.5% RETINOL VITAMIN A SERUM-HIGHEST EFFECTIVE CONCENTRATION
100% BOTANICAL HYALURONIC ACID
ORGANIC ALOE - HIGHEST EFFECTIVE CONCENTRATION
VITAMIN E - HIGHEST EFFECTIVE CONCENTRATION
ORGANIC GREEN TREE - HIGHEST EFFECTIVE CONCENTRATION
ORGANIC JOJOBA - HIGHEST EFFECTIVE CONCENTRATION
"
Not a lot of information, but be careful with the acid
Hydrochloric acid has a distinctive pungent smell. It is classified as strongly acidic and can attack the skin over a wide composition range, since the hydrogen chloride practically dissociates completely in solution.
 

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"Sulphate-Free, Alcohol-Free, All Natural Ingredients, Ammonia-Free, Colourant-Free, Contains Vitamins, Cruelty-free/No Animal Testing, Fair Trade, Formaldehyde-Free, Hypoallergenic, Non-Comedogenic, Oil-Free, Paraben-Free, Perfume-Free, Silicon-Free, Sulfate-Free, Vegan"
and
" 2.5% RETINOL VITAMIN A SERUM-HIGHEST EFFECTIVE CONCENTRATION
100% BOTANICAL HYALURONIC ACID
ORGANIC ALOE - HIGHEST EFFECTIVE CONCENTRATION
VITAMIN E - HIGHEST EFFECTIVE CONCENTRATION
ORGANIC GREEN TREE - HIGHEST EFFECTIVE CONCENTRATION
ORGANIC JOJOBA - HIGHEST EFFECTIVE CONCENTRATION
"
Not a lot of information, but be careful with the acid
Hydrochloric acid has a distinctive pungent smell. It is classified as strongly acidic and can attack the skin over a wide composition range, since the hydrogen chloride practically dissociates completely in solution.
Nah the acid should be perfectly fine, you might be thinking of the chemical compound.

Hyaluronic acid (HA), or hyaluronan, is a carbohydrate molecule that is naturally occurring in our bodies. It helps the skin keep refreshed, stable and encourages skin cell renewal along with many other benefits. It actually does quite a lot and it's very beneficial.

edit. Just realised I typo'd it in the other post, I'm using Hyaluronic acid. It seems it's not actually a word in my browsers dictionary. it wants to auto correct it to hydrochloric, sorry for the confusion.
 

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Finally ordered my Derminator 2, it should take 2 months to arrive to my country.
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So I'm thinking the more intensive microneedling sessions are actually being quite effective, I'm too lazy to make comparison pictures right now but I'm getting loads of new terminal hairs and my hairline is seriously filling in now within the slick bald which is amazing since everyone told me it was impossible when I first came to the hairloss community, I wonder how far I can push it out, see if I can get a dream hairline at only $12.50 a month instead of $8000-15,000 for a hair transplant that I'm too young to get anyways.. It's probably hard to see with the compression of the image online but I just keep getting more and more terminal hairs in the slick bald along with ones even further out.

So basically for the more intensive microneedling I went at 2.75mm along with a few passes of 1.5mm in various speeds. Just for these tests I didn't care about microtearing and just went at it with wounding my scalp, I needled my temples many times over. There appears to be no issues of scarring and my scalp skin appears perfectly fine.The dermapen is cheap Chinese crap so I doubt it actually hit 2.75mm but there was a decent amount of blood, got some pics of the blood aftermath also for those interested.
hey @MyThinningConfidence I have the exact same vellus and sparse hairs around the corner points and temples which I guess are growing out new..Do you think it takes some cycles to get as my original hairs or it will stay like that??I want your opinion like that are those sparse hairs around hairline are going terminal,or shedding and then again regrowing thicker??
 

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hey @MyThinningConfidence I have the exact same vellus and sparse hairs around the corner points and temples which I guess are growing out new..Do you think it takes some cycles to get as my original hairs or it will stay like that??I want your opinion like that are those sparse hairs around hairline are going terminal,or shedding and then again regrowing thicker??
I assume you mean these hairs?
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They eventually go terminal over a period of months, some of them shed and regrow thicker whilst others grow straight into a terminal hair from the root leaving the tip vellus. I think the best thing for turning them terminal thus far has been microneedling.

If you're interested in seeing a pic of a vellus hair growing straight into terminal I have a picture of one on page 10, post 2.
 

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I assume you mean these hairs?
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They eventually go terminal over a period of months, some of them shed and regrow thicker whilst others grow straight into a terminal hair from the root leaving the tip vellus. I think the best thing for turning them terminal thus far has been microneedling.

If you're interested in seeing a pic of a vellus hair growing straight into terminal I have a picture of one on page 10, post 2.
Do you take internal supplements?
https://raypeatforum.com/community/...ffective-than-finasteride-for-hair-loss.8284/

Maybe try 1-3g taurine ED.
 

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I've heard of it but I've never actually looked into it, I'm also in the nootropics community although only fairly lightly, I'll be shifting my focus there slowly as my hair regrows. I've actually found a bunch of drugs there that have an impact on DHT or possible indirect positive effects to hair. Which is probably the least expected place to find it. I'd probably need to look more into it before supplementing, is that something the Ray Peat community is using? I went down some of the Ray Peat science route at one point, it all seems credible but it can get pretty complicated and time consuming. I do present a lot of the symptoms for hypothyroidism, like probably 80-90% of symptoms. I was actually meaning to ask my doctor about it last time I went but I was worried I wouldn't get my finasteride prescription in case he wanted to deal with one thing at a time. I'm fairly sure they are pretty big on the thyroid over there.

Edit. The only internal supplements I"m currently taking are -
Finasta 1.25mg
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Fish Oil 1000mg, 180mg EPA, 120mg DHA
 

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I've heard of it but I've never actually looked into it, I'm also in the nootropics community although only fairly lightly, I'll be shifting my focus there slowly as my hair regrows. I've actually found a bunch of drugs there that have an impact on DHT or possible indirect positive effects to hair. Which is probably the least expected place to find it. I'd probably need to look more into it before supplementing, is that something the Ray Peat community is using? I went down some of the Ray Peat science route at one point, it all seems credible but it can get pretty complicated and time consuming. I do present a lot of the symptoms for hypothyroidism, like probably 80-90% of symptoms. I was actually meaning to ask my doctor about it last time I went but I was worried I wouldn't get my finasteride prescription in case he wanted to deal with one thing at a time. I'm fairly sure they are pretty big on the thyroid over there.

Edit. The only internal supplements I"m currently taking are -
Finasta 1.25mg
and
Fish Oil 1000mg, 180mg EPA, 120mg DHA
I wouldn't take a thyroid drug. It suppresses your natural hormones, and T4 meds contributed to my recession.
I just posted that link to show taurine seemed to reverse balding in some men, it reverses fibrosis and helps with calcium metabolism, so someone like you experiencing regrowth might actually see increased results from using it.

Personally for me fish oil lowers inflammation but also lowers testoterone. Taurine raises that back up so it's worth looking into, 3 grams daily seems to be a healthy max dose
 

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I wouldn't take a thyroid drug. It suppresses your natural hormones, and T4 meds contributed to my recession.
I just posted that link to show taurine seemed to reverse balding in some men, it reverses fibrosis and helps with calcium metabolism, so someone like you experiencing regrowth might actually see increased results from using it.

Personally for me fish oil lowers inflammation but also lowers testoterone. Taurine raises that back up so it's worth looking into, 3 grams daily seems to be a healthy max dose
A doctors diagnosis would at least be the first step into seeing if I actually have hypothyroidism, supposedly the recommended way to go about it is diet by that community but I've never looked into it intensely enough to find a solution via diet. I also don't have the luxury of choosing my own diet yet as I still live with my parents. I'm surprised to see Fish Oil is actually listed as 4th on this random natural hypothyroidism remedies list. I mainly still take it because I've noticed it helps with my depression/brain fog a little bit, I don't know if it's placebo but I doubt it is for a few reasons.

If the doctor does recommend thyroid meds it depends what he wants to prescribe me and how much potential for harm it has.
 

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A doctors diagnosis would at least be the first step into seeing if I actually have hypothyroidism, supposedly the recommended way to go about it is diet by that community but I've never looked into it intensely enough to find a solution via diet. I also don't have the luxury of choosing my own diet yet as I still live with my parents. I'm surprised to see Fish Oil is actually listed as 4th on this random natural hypothyroidism remedies list. I mainly still take it because I've noticed it helps with my depression/brain fog a little bit, I don't know if it's placebo but I doubt it is for a few reasons.

If the doctor does recommend thyroid meds it depends what he wants to prescribe me and how much potential for harm it has.
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If you know Peat at all he hates fish oil.... done wasting my time posting
 

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If you know Peat at all he hates fish oil.... done wasting my time posting
Yeah I know how much he hates PUFAs but personally I've found benefit from it and I haven't found any decent replacements from it. There are studies on Fish Oil that propose it's actually the ratio of EPA to DHA that matters but honestly there are so many conflicting studies and opinions on Fish Oil I'm unsure what to think. Personally I'm still using it because it has appeared to give me some perceived benefit.
 

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Yeah I know how much he hates PUFAs but personally I've found benefit from it and I haven't found any decent replacements from it. There are studies on Fish Oil that propose it's actually the ratio of EPA to DHA that matters but honestly there are so many conflicting studies and opinions on Fish Oil I'm unsure what to think. Personally I'm still using it because it has appeared to give me some perceived benefit.
I don't blindly believe peat, however I'm confident it at least lowers test in me
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...think-again-very-interesting-topic-28623.html

This guy also uses fish oil, but I felt brain fog when I took krill oil
Furthermore, testosterone concentration was significantly lower in the omega-3 group compared with placebo, after supplementation (p=0.04). SHBG and FAI did not change in either group.
http://www.dannyroddy.com/weblog/omega3fattyacidsmalepatternbaldness

Just be aware of it, glad youre seeing benefit
 

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That study is a really odd one being taurine and finasteride being tested on a worm of all things. The major issue in my case is this is directed at stress induced alopecia when my alopecia is clearly androgenic alopecia which is evident from my heavy temple recession and crown thinning. The title of the thread is also misleading as taurine isn't more effective than finasteride, actually finasteride was better at reducing stress in the worms. Rather it helped the worms recover from stress more effectively.

The basic science proposed appears to be this - "When you’re stressed, the capillaries in your body, and especially your scalp, shrink, leading to your hair follicles being denied the amount of blood they need to nourish them properly."

I could see this being of benefit to particular people but in my case I think the effects would be minimal unless there is more to it.

Some of the comments of people on that forum claiming regrowth are also not entirely convincing with all of them being verbal, there was even one guy who claimed he doubled his volume with taurine over night which is completely ridiculous.
"I read a comment in a Danny Roody video on YouTube when someone said that high dose taurine is good for fibrose on the scalp, so since I have taurine capsules on my home, I tried 5g at once at bed time. Had insomnia this night, but at wake up, at looking in the mirror, my hair doubled in volume, was an amazing thing.

My hair is Norwood II scale, and I am seeing hair regrowth on the recessed area."

I'd feel more reassured with some more convincing anecdotes. I'm still open to the idea but I think it's unwise to take a random supplement without a strong basis for it.

As for Krill Oil it contains astaxanthin which is a pretty powerful DHT blocker supposedly.
 

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That study is a really odd one being taurine and finasteride being tested on a worm of all things. The major issue in my case is this is directed at stress induced alopecia when my alopecia is clearly androgenic alopecia which is evident from my heavy temple recession and crown thinning. The title of the thread is also misleading as taurine isn't more effective than finasteride, actually finasteride was better at reducing stress in the worms. Rather it helped the worms recover from stress more effectively.

The basic science proposed appears to be this - "When you’re stressed, the capillaries in your body, and especially your scalp, shrink, leading to your hair follicles being denied the amount of blood they need to nourish them properly."

I could see this being of benefit to particular people but in my case I think the effects would be minimal unless there is more to it.

Some of the comments of people on that forum claiming regrowth are also not entirely convincing with all of them being verbal, there was even one guy who claimed he doubled his volume with taurine over night which is completely ridiculous.
"I read a comment in a Danny Roody video on YouTube when someone said that high dose taurine is good for fibrose on the scalp, so since I have taurine capsules on my home, I tried 5g at once at bed time. Had insomnia this night, but at wake up, at looking in the mirror, my hair doubled in volume, was an amazing thing.

My hair is Norwood II scale, and I am seeing hair regrowth on the recessed area."

I'd feel more reassured with some more convincing anecdotes. I'm still open to the idea but I think it's unwise to take a random supplement without a strong basis for it.

As for Krill Oil it contains astaxanthin which is a pretty powerful DHT blocker supposedly.
lol well yeah some of those posts are bullshit.
I'm pretty sure you could find a study that taurine helps with scar tissue in humans, for me it was reversing fibrosis of the scalp or blood vessels.
3 grams a day is safe so it's not like taking it would hurt you, you could take 1gram a day for 100 days for like 6 bucks

I'm not a fan of blocking DHT. DHT causes the fibrosis but has other necessary functions; it's the stress causing inflammation and then DHT causing collagen bundles in the scalp and blood vessels.
 

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I don't gain anything from trying to convince you LOL
I'm just pointing out something I think would
 
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