Impact Is The Only Section I Read Frequently

[Afro_Vacancy]

Well summarized, David. The first point sticks out in a bad way; advocating changing your entire social circle over fighting hair loss with tried and tested methods is some grade-A level nutso.

It's funny that three out of the four-five guys providing a positive perspective here (marco, tellersquill and jd_uk) are jacked guys from the UK of above-average height. I guess they represent a particularly favorable configuration of variables as far as hair loss goes.

h.l. is also from the UK, but I don't know if he's jacked.

It may be that in the UK there is a different attitude. Look at some of their prime ministers. David Cameron was severely overweight and had a receding hairline ... contrast to George Bush and Barack Obama; Tony Blair had disgusting teeth (google it) that would be a death sentence to any US politician ... contrast to Donald Trump's teeth.

 

[tellersquill]

Well summarized, David. The first point sticks out in a bad way; advocating changing your entire social circle over fighting hair loss with tried and tested methods is some grade-A level nutso.

It's funny that three out of the four-five guys providing a positive perspective here (marco, tellersquill and jd_uk) are jacked guys from the UK of above-average height. I guess they represent a particularly favorable configuration of variables as far as hair loss goes.

I'm actually only average height (5'11). I'm not jacked but I'm in good shape.

Also, I never say hair loss is great, but my attitude is we must find a way of living a functional life.

We must do what we can to improve ourselves otherwise what else is there? Living alone in some empty room, surviving off junk food, p**rn, xbox, and Netflix.

If I offer positive advice it is only because I don't want people to suffer/

 

[jd_uk]

@jd_uk doesn't seem to realize, or at the very least acknolwedge, that he is privileged in numerous ways that help compensate for his hair loss.

- He has enough of a chameleon personality that he can just overturn his social life whenever a social circle rejects him;
- He has the physical frame and endocrine system necessary for robust athleticism;
- Good physical health;
- He's born in a rich country (England), which is a better place for the median person to be born in than say the USA or Italy;
- He has access to money, given that he's seen 30 countries in 6 years. I don't think he meant taking a train across Europe and seeing countries from the window of the train;
- His intelligence is above-average, as is evidenced from his posts which tend to be coherently written with a decent amount of content;

The effects of hair loss vary from person to person. If somebody has fewer advantages, it can be devastating, as they will fall below the minimum requirements needed to be accepted and valued by society.

While I am grateful for some kind words there, I feel like I should respond with a couple of points too.

The first one, I do have an outgoing personality. This was actually largely developed through travel. Years ago after a bad split with a long term girlfriend I decided I needed to see the world and I feel that it definitely broadened my horizons. Prior to that (and even occasionally since), there have been periods of my life where I experienced unbelievable social anxiety and I was so shy at times when I was a teeenager that I could barely open my mouth to speak to people. Indeed as a teenager I did experience some very restrictive health issues which I was extremely fortunate to have corrected.

Yes, it can take some strength of character to say 'f*ck you' to a social circle who start treating you differently based on appearance but honestly I am not someone who will accept being put in a box. I can be extremely competitive. When that happened to me it hurt but I couldn't let other small minded people get the better of me. If i were to think about it then I suppose my biggest asset is my competitive nature and sense of self. I always believed that if I put my mind to something then I could achieve it and I am the sort of person these days who could meet president Obama tomorrow and just be like 'oh wow cool, but at the end of the day he is just another guy'. I guess you could say I am slightly arrogant but why shouldn't anybody else here be? If society wants to put you in a box then why the f*ck let them? When those guys tried mocking me about balding I ignored it two, three, four times...didn't react. I told myself that it was their own limitations - their sheep like behaviour. The funny thing is that one of the group (who is a really nice guy typically) even came up to me on the dancefloor one night when I was with that US guy and some girls and said "<myname>, you're acting like you're on that guys level". I wasn't even shocked but replied "I am" and carried on chatting to the girls I was with, one of whom I got with, all the while the guys from my social group sat around looking at each other like lemons. I'm 100% certain that it p*ssed them off to see me doing well. In their small minds I was now balding and should not be doing well with women and should be showing shame and lack of confidence because of it. But you see, to the American marine guy I was just a confident, sociable Brit who was comfortable enough to chat to anyone and fun to hang out with.

I feel like I'm in danger of sounding like some self help guru here but I believe that everybody has the ability to work on themselves and everybody, no matter their intelligence level has the ability to be good at something. Following on from that, if everybody has the ability to good about something then everybody has the ability to feel proud about something. Why spend it feeling sh*t and wallowing when you can improve yourself and feel good? As I get older I've realised that life is not as black and white as some people like to make out. There will be good people and there will be sh*t peoplem. There will be very superficial people and people who are much less so? Zircon is saying it is crazy to change social groups and fine, if you can avoid doing so then great. But at the same time, why waste the one life you have on this earth around people who are going to put you down or treat you badly for completely superficial reasons? I suppose some people's lives are more set in stone than others but again, as I get older I have less time for sh*t people.

On the point of England...well, it really isn't always so great. I can't complain but I have been places where quality of life could be better in my opinion. It is home but we don't half have a lot of stupid people here.

Also, physically...yep I have made no secret here of my athleticism. But so much of that is from hard work and (although we disagree on this) knowledge/education on the lifestyle required to have an athletic body.

I should also add that I am not tall. Just around 5' 11. Maybe even half an inch shorter. I was never someone who felt the need to be taller, I guess because I felt confident enough in my athleticism that I didn't feel physically inferior in any way next to a taller guy.

My general message remains the same. Would I recommend this forum to people who are struggling with hair loss? Not really because there is far too much negativity and people feeling sorry for themselves. I totally understand the odd moment of it because I've totally been there...but do not waste your one life.

 

[tellersquill]

Like I said in my post above, sometimes, for some people, there is no way to improve, no way that they will succeed in certain areas.

See my new thread on the impact section - it shows how I improved my looks.

 

[jd_uk]

I'm actually only average height (5'11). I'm not jacked but I'm in good shape.

Also, I never say hair loss is great, but my attitude is we must find a way of living a functional life.

We must do what we can to improve ourselves otherwise what else is there? Living alone in some empty room, surviving off junk food, p*rn, xbox, and Netflix.

If I offer positive advice it is only because I don't want people to suffer/

Good post.

 

[MrBald]

Same here, this is the section I keep coming back to. Reading the posts here makes me feel my problems actually are real. Its the only place where the truth is speaked.

 

[jd_uk]

At this point I would personally rather die than live bald.

I personally think that this is an unhealthy attitude and you would do yourself a favour in working to change it.

 

[plisk]

I agree that genetics are routinely downplayed in mainstream "approved" thought fred, but I disagree that most men can't maximize their potential. In fact, most do the opposite: waste their potential so by the time they are in their 30s they are fat, horrible health from years of alcohol abuse, unmotivated, lazy and jaded from years of dysfunctional interpersonal relationships.

Lifting for example, gets bashed a lot here lately, but i noticed a palpable difference in the amount of visceral attraction i got from women before vs after i put 20lbs+ of muscle. Difference is i would tell anyone interested in becoming muscular that A) they needed to already do okay with women before hand (i.e if you are so ugly before that women are repulsed by you, getting jacked isn't going to change that other than the select rare niche of women who have a fetish for musclehounds) and B) not using anabolic steroids is a huge waste of time. Of course of interest to this community, most anabolic steroids will exacerbate hair loss, but if you know this is a problem for you it can be managed very effectively.

As for money, well it might not change how women respond to you on visceral level, but it sure as f*** can buy some great hookers and blow! I'd rather be a below-average rich guy than a struggling average guy to be honest.

Self help, yeah its largely a scam industry. But there are a few nuggets in there, generally i apply the rule of "has this guy actually achieved anything in the field he is advising on?". PUA industry for example - most of them are losers, and most of the success stories will admit to you that you have very little control and its mostly about getting good at flipping stones. Business - most of them are losers, with one or two very good and honest authors (e.g Felix Dennis). Relationships - mostly written by airheaded women who have had dysfunctional relationships their entire life and thinks this makes them an expert rather than someone who has been a chronic loser.

some men really do need the "just be confident" treatment, except they probably need less of morons telling them that and more of seeing a professional psychologist to resolve the very real mental issues - i made a post before about how you'd be surprised to find out how many posters from places like sluthate are actually very good looking and yet are virgins with chronic self esteem issues - clearly in these cases these are men not with genetic limitations but with bad experiences that have had a disproportionate effect on their life and would benefit from changing things.

 

[tellersquill]

While I am grateful for some kind words there, I feel like I should respond with a couple of points too.

The first one, I do have an outgoing personality. This was actually largely developed through travel. Years ago after a bad split with a long term girlfriend I decided I needed to see the world and I feel that it definitely broadened my horizons. Prior to that (and even occasionally since), there have been periods of my life where I experienced unbelievable social anxiety and I was so shy at times when I was a teeenager that I could barely open my mouth to speak to people. Indeed as a teenager I did experience some very restrictive health issues which I was extremely fortunate to have corrected.

Yes, it can take some strength of character to say 'f*ck you' to a social circle who start treating you differently based on appearance but honestly I am not someone who will accept being put in a box. I can be extremely competitive. When that happened to me it hurt but I couldn't let other small minded people get the better of me. If i were to think about it then I suppose my biggest asset is my competitive nature and sense of self. I always believed that if I put my mind to something then I could achieve it and I am the sort of person these days who could meet president Obama tomorrow and just be like 'oh wow cool, but at the end of the day he is just another guy'. I guess you could say I am slightly arrogant but why shouldn't anybody else here be? If society wants to put you in a box then why the f*ck let them? When those guys tried mocking me about balding I ignored it two, three, four times...didn't react. I told myself that it was their own limitations - their sheep like behaviour. The funny thing is that one of the group (who is a really nice guy typically) even came up to me on the dancefloor one night when I was with that US guy and some girls and said "<myname>, you're acting like you're on that guys level". I wasn't even shocked but replied "I am" and carried on chatting to the girls I was with, one of whom I got with, all the while the guys from my social group sat around looking at each other like lemons. I'm 100% certain that it p*ssed them off to see me doing well. In their small minds I was now balding and should not be doing well with women and should be showing shame and lack of confidence because of it. But you see, to the American marine guy I was just a confident, sociable Brit who was comfortable enough to chat to anyone and fun to hang out with.

I feel like I'm in danger of sounding like some self help guru here but I believe that everybody has the ability to work on themselves and everybody, no matter their intelligence level has the ability to be good at something. Following on from that, if everybody has the ability to good about something then everybody has the ability to feel proud about something. Why spend it feeling sh*t and wallowing when you can improve yourself and feel good? As I get older I've realised that life is not as black and white as some people like to make out. There will be good people and there will be sh*t peoplem. There will be very superficial people and people who are much less so? Zircon is saying it is crazy to change social groups and fine, if you can avoid doing so then great. But at the same time, why waste the one life you have on this earth around people who are going to put you down or treat you badly for completely superficial reasons? I suppose some people's lives are more set in stone than others but again, as I get older I have less time for sh*t people.

On the point of England...well, it really isn't always so great. I can't complain but I have been places where quality of life could be better in my opinion. It is home but we don't half have a lot of stupid people here.

Also, physically...yep I have made no secret here of my athleticism. But so much of that is from hard work and (although we disagree on this) knowledge/education on the lifestyle required to have an athletic body.

I should also add that I am not tall. Just around 5' 11. Maybe even half an inch shorter. I was never someone who felt the need to be taller, I guess because I felt confident enough in my athleticism that I didn't feel physically inferior in any way next to a taller guy.

My general message remains the same. Would I recommend this forum to people who are struggling with hair loss? Not really because there us far too much negativity and people feeling sorry for themselves. I totally understand the odd moment of it because I've totally been there...but do not waste your one life.

Good post.

 

[CaptainForehead]

my point is nothing made a difference. .
..
it's all face,

Dante is amassing supporters. Cool.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Self help, yeah its largely a scam industry. But there are a few nuggets in there, generally i apply the rule of "has this guy actually achieved anything in the field he is advising on?". PUA industry for example - most of them are losers, and most of the success stories will admit to you that you have very little control and its mostly about getting good at flipping stones. Business - most of them are losers, with one or two very good and honest authors (e.g Felix Dennis). Relationships - mostly written by airheaded women who have had dysfunctional relationships their entire life and thinks this makes them an expert rather than someone who has been a chronic loser.

+1 for insightful wisdom.

 

[Exodus2011]

Be as cruel as you want...it's not going to affect me much. I have had far worse. I've been honest on this forum. Would I like to have the hair I had at 20? Yes. Am I a good candidate for a hair transplant? No. Does hair loss sometimes still bother me? Yes. Otherwise I would probably never check in here again. I don't know..maybe I would just out of old habit. The finasteride though - I've never had side effects. I've never tried it. I very much doubt that I ever will. Altering my hormones for hair is not something that I personally want to do. I can have a good life regardless. If others want to use finasteride or dutasteride then I am happy for them and won't criticise but we all have our own choices to make.

My opinion in this thread and on this forum is that people here are way, way too negative and need to get some perspective.

what norwood are you? how tall are you? i'm guessing you are manly and baldness hasn't had much an aesthetic impact eh?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Part of the reason the impact forum does well is that there are new stories posted on a regular basis, new experiences, and so on.

This is a hair loss, and when we actually get a dash of news about hair loss we all run to that thread like alcoholics running to the bottle. The Brotzu thread is now at ~137 pages, would be higher if not for the rollbacks.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

@plisk what steroids are you using?

 

[tellersquill]

Part of the reason the impact forum does well is that there are new stories posted on a regular basis, new experiences, and so on.

This is a hair loss, and when we actually get a dash of news about hair loss we all run to that thread like alcoholics running to the bottle. The Brotzu thread is now at ~137 pages, would be higher if not for the rollbacks.

Haha we are addicts. Its Saturday and we're all in commenting on a hair loss forum lol.

My excuse is I'm anti social out of choice.

 

[CaptainForehead]

I'll have to fight against the voice of my father in the back of my head for the rest of my life unfortunately.

 

[Exodus2011]

I don't care. I was slick bald for the better part of a half year and it was devastating socially and emotionally. It was the lowest of low points in my life. 1/4th of a life, if even that. Dying would be preferable.

The survival instinct may force me to accept it though, that I acknowledge.

good word for this extreme reclusion i've been living in

 

[shookwun]

I have exactly the same issue.

Right now, I'm in a low too, after having been sick the last two weeks.

When I'm meeting people and actively dating (like before I met my current girlfriend), it kind of feeds itself, you know what I mean?

But when I stop, it's hard to get that momentum going again.

Because of that, I mostly feel like sh*t right now, and I'll try to quickly get the ball rolling again.

Just force myself to go to social events and reconnect with some friends.

It's like any kind of achievement never matters to me, I mean, I know I did something great, but all of a sudden, I'm going to be like:

"Nah I suck, I can't do anything right, I'm boring, my guitar playing is sh*t, girls don't really like me, my girlfriend is going to leave me because I'm not funny and interesting enough, etc."

I know I have those thoughts mostly (if not only) because of my father's influence. Since I was 12 years old, he never stopped telling me that I was a huge disappointment, that I'd never do anything in life, that he does not understand how a girl can stay with me.

Yep, no need to dig too far in my case. I'll have to fight against the voice of my father in the back of my head for the rest of my life unfortunately.

I feel a lot of it is contributed to pre mature baldness, being insecure about your own body and having a lot of self-esteem issues. While most normal people are growing through experiencing we are tormented, and have self-inflicted pain that we have no control over. primarily why I dont have sympathy for guys experiencing a little temple loss in there twenties. They have lived there core life through good experienced that shape who they are today. it's so marginal, and small. They don't know real pain.

I would not have this anxiety if I didn't face image issues, and suffer from baldness as a teenager. I know that for a fact.

When I look at all my friends who grew up in normal households, didn't face image issues. None have issues, outside of every day occurrences like break ups, and fighting for a good job.


Teenage image issues will mess you up


I just hate this bullshit, because I am very charismatic, and out going when everything is in my favour. But when I hit that low, I just get rekt, I become avoidant of others, and generally feel like sh*t. I get anxious for no reason.

I should learn to force myself out, because I can relate. when I start dating, I am on a grind to the point where I am meeting lots of people. When I hit that low, it realy messes me up.

 

[plisk]

@plisk what steroids are you using?

Ive used just about every you will encounter and some you likely wont

currently i use testosterone and boldenone and I'm using zinc pyrithione shampoos and RU58841 to protect my follicles. Ive been stable for ages and even getting some regrowth adding minoxidil in recently.

Id like to give trenbolone another go, but i think thats probably suicidal until some decent PGD2 blocker is readily available and cost effective.

 

[CaptainForehead]

You considering going on steroids David?