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[shookwun]

Tren is overrated. if you cant get big, and lean off testosterone by itself then you should take up a new hobby like knitting, chess, and online poker.



Testosterone, and the odd oral is all that's needed to build an impressive gym rat physique.

Exotic cocktails of drugs are unnecessary, and for what? to look good at a the grocery store in a T shirt or walking around in the club. Steroids put a lot of strain on your liver, and that is real. People seem to not care about the long run, but if you want to last in this game you need to seek longevity, not quick fixes.


I have been steadily lifting for over six years, and love every second of it. If you are all drugs, you will never last. Deep down inside you need to be passionate whether you're on or off.

 

[CaptainForehead]

How do you get your steroids shook? Do you have a prescription?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

You considering going on steroids David?

I'm not sure.

In the short-term the priority is to cut fat for which steroids are not the best answer. I estimate that I need to cut ~15 lbs of fat but it's hard to be sure. After that I want to try something completely different to rebuild my spine and add flexibility/balance -- a whole lot of yoga. It will be a while before I "bulk", but it was difficult to bulk properly before as my lower back was antagonized by squats and deadlifts. When I was doing squats, I was doing 4 sets of 15 reps, because a higher weight would hurt my lower back. My hormones are not the problem there.

An argument for steroids is CDnuts. He cured PFS with DHT prohormones (as part of a sequence of several aggressive treatments). I don't have PFS, but I have some of the symptoms.

 

[CaptainForehead]

I'm not sure.

In the short-term the priority is to cut fat for which steroids are not the best answer. I estimate that I need to cut ~15 lbs of fat but it's hard to be sure. After that I want to try something completely different to rebuild my spine and add flexibility/balance -- a whole lot of yoga. It will be a while before I "bulk", but it was difficult to bulk properly before as my lower back was antagonized by squats and deadlifts. When I was doing squats, I was doing 4 sets of 15 reps, because a higher weight would hurt my lower back. My hormones are not the problem there.

An argument for steroids is CDnuts. He cured PFS with DHT prohormones (as part of a sequence of several aggressive treatments). I don't have PFS, but I have some of the symptoms.

What is PFS?

 

[shookwun]

Online is the best way to go. I used to go with the 'local guy' then you realize most are f*****g crooks, and over charge prices for bullshit. Biggest problem is finding a good source, a lot of bullshit, and fakes out there.

Every single one that I met was like this, including those that I knew personally. All making it sound like they are giving you a deal, but are just raping you in the ***.

paying 80$ for a vial of testosterone.
Paying 80$ for 10mg 100 pills of dianabol

I have a supplier that I pay $35 for test
I now pay 30$ for that 10mg 100 pills



Local guy = bullshit myth. Worst then a cocaine dealer. Crooked c****.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

What is PFS?

Post-finasteride syndrome, CDnuts is a former poster on propeciahelp who is legendary there for developing the only program that works, for him and some others. It's also a very hard programs. Apparently he now only posts on bodybuilding boards. FWIW, his programme is:

- A long water-only fast, around ~20 days, to reboot the endocrine system;
- Followed by DHT prohormone cycle (the one he used is now illegal) with a lot of sprinting and heavy weight training. Diet low in gluten, sugar, alcohol;
- Cycling of herbal supplements, not sure which ones;

 

[shookwun]

Pro hormones are retarded. That stuff is extremely harsh on your body, and liver.

I remember taking that crap, and getting pains down below.

Want to take steroids you take the real sh*t. prohormone are essentially steroids, but they have to go through different pathways before they become viable.

you will experience all the same side effects of normal steroids but much worse side effects from my experience.


avoid them.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Pro hormones are retarded. That stuff is extremely harsh on your body, and liver.

I remember taking that crap, and getting pains down below.

Want to take steroids you take the real sh*t. prohormone are essentially steroids, but they have to go through different pathways before they become viable.

you will experience all the same side effects of normal steroids but much worse side effects from my experience.


avoid them.

He took DHT prohormones to up-regulate 5-alpha reductase, and it may or may not have contributed to his success.

My liver is probably fine and I wouldn't take them forever.

 

[jd_uk]

I know that the chat here has gone off topic but this guy for me is a great example of something that I have long believed. i.e. That while balding can be a (sometimes big) limitation, if you are really good at something, particularly something which women like and enjoy, then not only can you do well in life but also well with women.

He's a salsa/bachata dancer. He's very bald and not particularly tall, but he is a great dancer. Look at the comments from women...not one about his lack of hair (that I can see). Only comments about how cute a couple they are etc (they are a couple in real life, and in my opinion she is hot). Does she look remotely turned off by his bald head?

I know a bit about this scene and guys like this are never short of women.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

He's a salsa/bachata dancer. He's very bald and not particularly tall, but he is a great dancer. Look at the comments from women...not one about his lack of hair (that I can see). Only comments about how cute a couple they are etc (they are a couple in real life, and in my opinion she is hot). Does she look remotely turned off by his bald head?

I consider body rhythm, coordination, etc to be part of "looks". I think my position is backed by evolutionary psychology.

The dancer you link to has assets and he's showing them off.

 

[jd_uk]

I consider body rhythm, coordination, etc to be part of "looks". I think my position is backed by evolutionary psychology.

The dancer you link to has assets and he's showing them off.

Hmmm..sure some people are better naturally than others but a lot of this stuff can be learnt (not to this guys level but still...)

I sometimes imagine the reaction of a guy like him to some of the more self pitying posts here.

Also, someone who takes everything on this sub forum literally would swear that comments about a guy like him with a girl lile her would be centered around how she 'could do better', about how he is bald, ugly bla bla. But I can't say I have ever seen a negative comment like this about him. I know guys like him who would pull the hot girl away from the pretty NW1, tall guy just because of his superior dancing abilities and yep..i'm gonna say it, confidence.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Hmmm..sure some people are better naturally than others but a lot of this stuff can be learnt (not to this guys level but still...)

I sometimes imagine the reaction of a guy like him to some of the more self pitying posts here.

Also, someone who takes everything on this sub forum literally would swear that comments about a guy like him with a girl lile her would be centered around how she 'could do better', about how he is bald, ugly bla bla. But I can't say I have ever seen a negative comment like this about him. I know guys like him who would pull the hot girl away from the pretty NW1, tall guy just because of his superior dancing abilities and yep..i'm gonna say it, confidence.

I think it's an error of this subforum to focus only on the "looks" that come through in a photograph. Body rhythm, motion, grace, smell, voice, matter as well, and probably skin matters, as in it's gross to be excessively sweaty.

 

[jd_uk]

I think it's an error of this subforum to focus only on the "looks" that come through in a photograph. Body rhythm, motion, grace, smell, voice, matter as well, and probably skin matters, as in it's gross to be excessively sweaty.

I agree. Attraction is multifaceted and complex.

I remember many months ago arguing with Fred about things like voice, scent etc being important. I believe that his stance on it gradually changed and he also included these under the umbrella of 'looks'.

I also think that things like posture, body language etc is important. It is why online dating can be so limited if you are not great looking as a guy (Hell, even if you are great looking then online dating is sh*t if you are prepared to put a little bit of effort in, 'in real life').

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

How many times will I have to repeat this, in my culture, you just don't talk to people you don't know in real life.

Belgium and mainland Europe are not the US/UK. I have friends who have studied in the UK and told me it was like that there.

That strangers mingled at parties and talked to each other. Some people don't seem to know this when they come to Belgium.

I remember this American guy coming to a table of Belgian girls like it was no big deal.

The girls just looked at each other and wondered what was wrong with the guy. You just don't do that here.

The only exception to that rule would be the "expat scene", and even then, it's not seen as a way to meet a potential romantic partner.

Trust me, if there was an efficient way to meet women in real life in my country, I would have exploited it a long time ago.

It's not a matter of "doing an effort", more a matter of being actually culturally accepted.

I think it's unlikely that no two Belgians ever had sex prior to Tinder being invented a few years ago.

 

[jd_uk]

How many times will I have to repeat this, in my culture, you just don't talk to people you don't know in real life.

Belgium and mainland Europe are not the US/UK. I have friends who have studied in the UK and told me it was like that there.

That strangers mingled at parties and talked to each other. Some people don't seem to know this when they come to Belgium.

I remember this American guy coming to a table of Belgian girls like it was no big deal.

The girls just looked at each other and wondered what was wrong with the guy. You just don't do that here.

The only exception to that rule would be the "expat scene", and even then, it's not seen as a way to meet a potential romantic partner.

Trust me, if there was an efficient way to meet women in real life in my country, I would have exploited it a long time ago.

It's not a matter of "doing an effort", more a matter of being actually culturally accepted.

I've visited both the Netherlands many times and Belgium twice. It wasn't really much different from the UK. It is not really 'ordinary' either here for a guy to approach random girls but it is possible if you have the balls to do it. The only way I would say those countries were possibly different is that people tend to have closer/stronger social circles. But if you mix up activities, try new things then there are great opportunities to be accepted into new social circles in those countries.

And I don't think you would have exploited it because you say you fear rejection too much and say that not much compares to that pain (unlike some guys who can go 'shes not into me, whatever, next').

 

[jd_uk]

I can get sex from cute girls on Tinder with minimal investment and more tolerable rejections, so why would I try to make things harder?

You'd have to be stupid, or a masochist.

Well fine then, it works for you and you're happy with it. Personally I think that online dating is massively stacked in favour of women unless you are a really, really top looking guy. For reasons discussed above I don't think it gives most guys the ability to demonstrate other things which are natural for attraction from the offset. So even if you are decent looking then you still blend in with the crowd online.

 

[tellersquill]

I guess you get two different cultures in Belgium - the French and the Dutch.

Not sure how different the French socialise to the dutch though. Also, Fred do you speak French or Flemish? What is your first language (you probably speak both of course)

 

[jd_uk]

Dating is always stacked in favor of women.

We're the ones looking for sex and they always have more choices than they can handle, online dating or not.

Attraction is 100% based on looks so I don't see what there would be to "demonstrate".

A girl decides in a fraction of a second if she wants to sleep with you or not, if she wants your tongue in her mouth or not.

If you go out a lot, you should know this. I sometimes make out with girls on the dancefloor and it's always instantaneous. No need to even utter a word.

Also, I dance like Sheldon Cooper from the Big Bang Theory, so body language, coordination and swag or whatever mattering hum, no @David_MPN

So I really don't get this "demonstrate" other things to convince them.

Though you have made at least a couple of statements there that I very much disagree with (and actually know to be untrue). But we have been here and done this before so no point going over it again.

 

[blackg]

Fun sh*t, not this gay swipe bullshit..

Haha.. this was funny. You have a way with words, shookwun.

 

[plisk]

How many times will I have to repeat this, in my culture, you just don't talk to people you don't know in real life.

Belgium and mainland Europe are not the US/UK. I have friends who have studied in the UK and told me it was like that there.

That strangers mingled at parties and talked to each other. Some people don't seem to know this when they come to Belgium.

I remember this American guy coming to a table of Belgian girls like it was no big deal.

The girls just looked at each other and wondered what was wrong with the guy. You just don't do that here.

The only exception to that rule would be the "expat scene", and even then, it's not seen as a way to meet a potential romantic partner.

Trust me, if there was an efficient way to meet women in real life in my country, I would have exploited it a long time ago.

It's not a matter of "doing an effort", more a matter of being actually culturally accepted.

Fred its like that across the whole anglosphere, people generally stick within their social circles and new people rarely and gradually brought in, usually met in mixed group events, mutual friends etc.

So called "cold approach" meeting men or women is an uphill battle and you will almost always be perceived as an annoyance/inconvenience at first, and would need considerable force of personality to turn the ship. Which is why people who do that frequently are usually psychopaths because it requires considerable numbness to what people think about you.