Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

[Guts]

Will someone (re)post the web address to the closed group?

Thanks

Regrowbros.com

 

[Javell]

The legends were true, Skyrim is truly a way of life.

 

[Falsenine]

Conspiracy theories? You must have me confused, nothing I’ve stated on this thread is in any shape or form a conspiracy, dipshit. I’ve never once said that the brotzu lotion was a scam (if you actually took the time to read I’ve clearly stated otherwise)
Take your misguided anger out on someone else, you salty Norwood 7 f***.

Ahh yes, I see I got confused.
Apologies bro should’ve read all of your post.
Hope there are no hard feelings.

 

[Agent]

Regrowbros.com

Thanks

 

[Nostro100]

"you salty Norwood 7 f***" ...... now thats an insult that you will only hear on an hairloss forum

 

[BalderBaldyBald]

How the f*** this thread still alive ?

Yeah, almost forgot, 2016

 

[AnArcticTaco]

but you add a product or a drug that blocks that proccess or changes the way your hair acts and/or how genes express themselves

This has never been done. All treatments right now don't change the hair themselves but rather the environment components (dht, pgd2, more nutrients etc etc). And from what I know, all treatments on the pipeline right now are not designed to change the behaviour of hair.

if that was the case, then no modern medicine could work and we may as well give up pushing medicine forward.

The case being that is exactly the reason for which hairloss today is a reality hard to "cure" or treat. If the case was the hair in the scalp was just the same as the donor area, then you wouldn't have so many bald man in the world to begin with and that would mean, the ones that still had hairloss would easily fix it with a natural DHT blocker (from saw palmetto to all the dht blocker oils we know)

The true case is that hair on the scalp is more sensitive (or gets more sensitive with time) to dht and is somehow programmed to shrink, and that means that taking DHT out of the scalp alone isnt enough of a treatment (because you never really get it all out of the scalp).

If you still think that the hair in the scalp is exactly the same as the hair on the donor area, I want to know why it is that you think that.

My analogy still stands to what we see with people using anti androgens and stimulants like minoxidil. One should not look to hairloss like it's a binary problem (you either have it or not), and that's why the current treatments have such a wide range of effectiveness (because the true culprit of hairloss is the hair itself)


yea this is bad "news" (I think this is known for ages) but because this is the truth, means that we should see hairloss in that way if we want a worldwide effectiveness treatment and not lie to ourselfs and say (its just the field of plantation and not the hair itself) and then wonder why treatments like dutasteride dont work in some people

A single DHT molecule doesn't kill one hair follicle. It depends on how many DHT receptors (androgen receptors) you have on your follicles. The more receptors you have the more sensitive you are. Why do some people lose hair while being on finasteride and dutasteride? The current hypothesis is that these people have many more receptors for DHT and so are more sensitive. Another alternative is that the exact response your cells have when DHT binds to the androgen receptor could vary based on genetics. So even if you don't have that many receptors, your cells still respond to DHT extremely negatively. I'd go with the former. So for most people, getting rid of 60-70% of your DHT is usually enough to last you a long time.

 

[Nostro100]

A single DHT molecule doesn't kill one hair follicle. It depends on how many DHT receptors (androgen receptors) you have on your follicles. The more receptors you have the more sensitive you are. Why do some people lose hair while being on finasteride and dutasteride? The current hypothesis is that these people have many more receptors for DHT and so are more sensitive. Another alternative is that the exact response your cells have when DHT binds to the androgen receptor could vary based on genetics. So even if you don't have that many receptors, your cells still respond to DHT extremely negatively. I'd go with the former. So for most people, getting rid of 60-70% of your DHT is usually enough to last you a long time.

That's what I said In more specific terms, so yea I agree with ya. For Every person there is a different level of DHT tolerance for their scalp hair-
This is why Dr Takashi Tsuji study is the way forward for slick bald people. Cloning donor hair (DHT resistant) in an industrial scale is in my view, a true hair cure where you leave the operating room with more hairs than you entered AND you are sure they wont fall out!

This is no way saying that the only way is hair transplant. This is saying that IF you are unfortunate enough to have hairs with many DHT receptors, then you still have this route of action, by no means cheap but still a way.

I'm on dutasteride rn and I wish that i'm fortunate enough for this to work with me with no side effects. I know that if it doesnt work, then I will have to move to an hair transplant. Trying another DHT blocker would be retarded

 

[Guts]

Ahh yes, I see I got confused.
Apologies bro should’ve read all of your post.
Hope there are no hard feelings.

Hey man it’s all good, I went a bit far in my insults, I apologize. Simple misunderstanding.

 

[Guts]

"you salty Norwood 7 f***" ...... now thats an insult that you will only hear on an hairloss forum

Yeah I feel bad now *feels*

 

[br1]

lol what actually is this group buy. someone claims they know how Brotzu's lotion is made, and they just happen to know how to make it, now they are scamming selling it to desparate baldies?

exactly. And, all that after the inventor has showed that the potion does not do sh*t.

Go figure......

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

exactly. And, all that after the inventor has showed that the potion does not do sh*t.

Go figure......

The f*****g hair struggle is real, kek...we are a sad bunch of salty Norwood 7 fucks. I am starting to dig it, really.

 

[TK421]

That's what I said In more specific terms, so yea I agree with ya. For Every person there is a different level of DHT tolerance for their scalp hair-
This is why Dr Takashi Tsuji study is the way forward for slick bald people. Cloning donor hair (DHT resistant) in an industrial scale is in my view, a true hair cure where you leave the operating room with more hairs than you entered AND you are sure they wont fall out!

This is no way saying that the only way is hair transplant. This is saying that IF you are unfortunate enough to have hairs with many DHT receptors, then you still have this route of action, by no means cheap but still a way.

I'm on dutasteride rn and I wish that i'm fortunate enough for this to work with me with no side effects. I know that if it doesnt work, then I will have to move to an hair transplant. Trying another DHT blocker would be retarded

My receptors seem to be extra sensitive to dht, which explains why finasteride didn't work for me. I'm starting to realize that even if the Brotzu lotion is legit, it probably won't work for me either, since I don't think the lotion will be able to get rid of 100% of dht in the scalp. I'm going to start Fluridil soon. From what I've read, this stuff supposedly destroys the receptors, as opposed to reducing dht. Theoretically this compound should work for people like us with extra sensitive receptors.

 

[BalderBaldyBald]

My receptors seem to be extra sensitive to dht, which explains why finasteride didn't work for me. I'm starting to realize that even if the Brotzu lotion is legit, it probably won't work for me either, since I don't think the lotion will be able to get rid of 100% of dht in the scalp. I'm going to start Fluridil soon. From what I've read, this stuff supposedly destroys the receptors, as opposed to reducing dht. Theoretically this compound should work for people like us with extra sensitive receptors.

Will they be extra sensitive to the Brotzu fragrance ?

 

[TK421]

Will they be extra sensitive to the Brotzu fragrance ?

 

[Guts]

The f*****g hair struggle is real, kek...we are a sad bunch of salty Norwood 7 fucks. I am starting to dig it, really.

I’m glad my insult is becoming a meme

 

[Nostro100]

My receptors seem to be extra sensitive to dht, which explains why finasteride didn't work for me. I'm starting to realize that even if the Brotzu lotion is legit, it probably won't work for me either, since I don't think the lotion will be able to get rid of 100% of dht in the scalp. I'm going to start Fluridil soon. From what I've read, this stuff supposedly destroys the receptors, as opposed to reducing dht. Theoretically this compound should work for people like us with extra sensitive receptors.

But you assumed finasteride would kill most of DHT. Idk for how long did you stay on it but it takes time I guess. Then, you could give Dutasteride a try?

 

[Guts]

lol what actually is this group buy. someone claims they know how Brotzu's lotion is made, and they just happen to know how to make it, now they are scamming selling it to desparate baldies?

It’s not exactly a claim per say, the person has prior experience and the patents that brotzu/Fidia filed show the actual ingredients in them. Furthermore, the group buy isn’t finished yet. The person hasn’t accepted money from anyone, as they want to make sure the lotion is stable before they sell it. So to some degree theyre reliable in the sense that they’re not rushing bullshit out to get money, but at the same time also have stated that they are not liable if the lotion doesn’t work anyways. Basically “I can make it and stabilize it, but whether the lotion actually does what Brotzu claims it does is beyond me and not my problem”

 

[Bigoldben]

My receptors seem to be extra sensitive to dht, which explains why finasteride didn't work for me. I'm starting to realize that even if the Brotzu lotion is legit, it probably won't work for me either, since I don't think the lotion will be able to get rid of 100% of dht in the scalp. I'm going to start Fluridil soon. From what I've read, this stuff supposedly destroys the receptors, as opposed to reducing dht. Theoretically this compound should work for people like us with extra sensitive receptors.

In theory (very much so the operative words for the time being), Brotzu works by getting some form of equol into the scalp whic binds onto your androgen receptors and therefore DHT (or whatever ultimately get you) can't get at them. So therefore you could have the most sensitive follicles in the world and it should still work (as I understand). If we take Brotzu at face value, every single person under 30 has experienced a complete halt to hair loss when using Brotzu lotion.

The people doing the group buy are effectively doing us a service by using their head and their money to show whether it will or won't work. As we will see everything from the source (them joining a group buy) to them showing us after pictures, it would be quite bizarre if these people took it upon themselves to then lie somehow. I still think we underestimate the extent to which other factors impact on Fidia, it could work better than anything but if they don't feel they can produce it for a price that makes it accessible for a wide enough audience for it to be proditable we won't see it.

 

[TK421]

But you assumed finasteride would kill most of DHT. Idk for how long did you stay on it but it takes time I guess. Then, you could give Dutasteride a try?

Was on finasteride for 11 months. Seemed like I experienced more shedding throughout the 11 months so I ended up quitting. Unfortunately I didn't get blood work done so I have no idea what my dht levels were like before and during treatment. But based on how I responded, it seemed either the drug didn't lower dht levels enough or it did significantly lower dht levels but my follicles became more sensitive. That's the only way I can explain why shedding increased during the entire 11 months. That's why I've come to the conclusion that anti androgens won't do anything for me, I need to find a way to shut down the receptors in the hair follicles instead.

In theory (very much so the operative words for the time being), Brotzu works by getting some form of equol into the scalp whic binds onto your androgen receptors and therefore DHT (or whatever ultimately get you) can't get at them. So therefore you could have the most sensitive follicles in the world and it should still work (as I understand). If we take Brotzu at face value, every single person under 30 has experienced a complete halt to hair loss when using Brotzu lotion.

The people doing the group buy are effectively doing us a service by using their head and their money to show whether it will or won't work. As we will see everything from the source (them joining a group buy) to them showing us after pictures, it would be quite bizarre if these people took it upon themselves to then lie somehow. I still think we underestimate the extent to which other factors impact on Fidia, it could work better than anything but if they don't feel they can produce it for a price that makes it accessible for a wide enough audience for it to be proditable we won't see it.

If that's how equol works then I think there's a chance it may work for me. Might have to join the group buy since fidia isn't gonna do anything anytime soon.