Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

[Francky85]

[USER=106636]@MomoGee I will try it and post a lot of good pictures. Best way to prove if it works or if it is scam is to have us do the trials.[/USER]

Ill be doing the same.

 

[Agent]

I saw the official study that was carried by Fidia + Brotzu + his son + first Brotzu's team, the one which was presented at Sitri briefly in form of abstract. This study lasted 6 months, from May to December 2016. I'm not aware of any other study that lasted 2 years. Maybe you are referring to one of the blatant Beps lies, in particular the one where he said that 5 years of hair could be recovered in 18 months? How the hell does he know if they conducted, as far as I'm aware, only two trials, both of 6 months duration? Don't get me started on him and his claims, please. I respect Brotzu senior but not his son.





I don't exactly understand what you mean by "fake" in this case; it's a language barrier I suppose. Don't get me wrong, the study is not false, is 100% true and legit. In fact, half of the pages are references and bibliography; all the claims, ideas, results stated are justified and supported by existing literature correctly quoted. Study design is ok aside from some incomprehensible choices, and a lot of different methods and devices were used to evaluate the situation and what was going on the patients' heads.
It just demonstrates nothing about the effectiveness of this lotion on Androgenetic Alopecia. Or, more precisely, the study demonstrates that in a time frame of 6 months, this lotion is able to practically halt the shedding in almost all the patients. What does it mean in terms of "yeah, does this mean we're cured..?" is left to our imagination. I don't feel safe about reviewing here the study because it shouldn't be available to the public. However, there are many questions that I would like to ask to the team, such as "why did you say in the abstract that you enrolled men from 18 to 55 and then you said the average age of the males is 46 years old, and later on you said that the range was 30-60?" or "why are you going to publish a study carried in 2016 when you admitted later in 2017 that there were stability issues with the lotion?" or the most hilarious one: "why did you write that 'All the authors state, however, that Fidia Farmaceutici S.p.A. did not participate in the decision to submit this manuscript for publication.' ???"

I'm constantly deleting and retyping this message because I don't want to disclose the study, but I could write for hours about it. I'll just explain better some things presented at last sitri after having read the full paper:

Aside from many other incomprehensible statements, the study shows that on women only the hair count increases in a significant manner, while in both groups the shedding is halted; in women's, the shedding stops almost immediately, while men experienced later these benefits. I don't know why the trial ended at 6 months then, if they were confident that men could have had their hair count increased over this time. The conclusions are "the lotion is effective and safe in stopping and preventing hair loss". What 'hair loss' means is left to the readers' imagination, meanwhile the lotion is marketed with "anti - hair fall" written under the package's name, and Fidia changed the last italian update from "hair loss cure" to "hair fall treatment".
What this lotion does is stopping the shedding ("favoring hair growth"), making "the hairs strong, more robust, and luscious".
There are many other points we could debate, such as regrowth amd thickening, but I don't want to disclose them.

Does it mean that for the next years we're going to use hair gel instead of hair blades? I don't really think so.

Thank you for elaborating. Highly appreciated!

 

[Agent]

Ill be doing the same.

Same...

 

[tzt]

.... I still think that we'll need people to try this reporting with decent photos any changes or results from this trinov. 75€ for 30ml is a fcking lot of money. It's essentially more than 2€ per application. This sh*t in my opinion, at that price, should cure the hunger in Africa.

You said that based on your speculation that fidia won't release any photo.

 

[Armando Jose]

I could be wrong but i think they will just put some general data on the packaging such as hair fall decrease i dont think much about regowth will be on it as the study allegedly didn't have much data about regrowth., i doubt they will release the entire study

At least as Loreal did with aminexil, a doble bind study in humans
http://www.hbhairshop.co.uk/hairloss/aminexil_results.htm
Results of Aminexil from Kérastase

The successful effects of Aminexil on hair loss have been proved by 6 medical investigations. In one world-wide study (1994 -1995) mentioned below you see the test results for yourself. This investigation was carried out in various hospitals. A treatment course consisted of the continued use of a bottle of Aminexil for 42 consecutive days.

• A clinical trial with placebo
• 130 test participants
• test participants aged between 18 and 55 years, with Alopecia type II to V
• treated with a bottle of Aminexil daily for 42 consecutive days.

 

[Francky85]

You said that based on your speculation that fidia won't release any photo.

Think hes saying, that members that can afford it on here need to buy it and take photos to show the rest how good or bad it is, so that the people who cant afford to drop 70 Euros on something that doesn't work can make an informed decision...as the study is a load of dogshit, rather than the product itself being dogshit.

 

[paxis]

I just want a legit side effect free option to treat my balding sh*t head ffs... Just something that at least STOPS hairloss for a couple years or so.. COME ON..

 

[itsjustsimon]

Oh Brotzu is bullshit? I didn't see this coming...

The only thing until 2022 will be CB and maybe fevi for asthma. Mark my words

 

[hairloss_user]

Maybe for those of you who don't use finasteride should try dermarolling. Personally gonna try it in addition with min. I mean everyone seems to be getting results from it. Yeah it's a pain in the ***, but it is what it is.

 

[Armando Jose]

I have read the official FIDIA study and I have to admit that it's utterly delusional

I disagree with this, though. Even if there are obvious similarities to ReBoost situation, this time fidia was transparent. I'm not saying that the lotion does sh*t for our hairs, what I'm saying is that we can't objectively know because the things are not stated in the way we are used to talk about on hair loss sites. I still think that we'll need people to try this reporting with decent photos any changes or results from this trinov. 75€ for 30ml is a fcking lot of money. It's essentially more than 2€ per application. This sh*t in my opinion, at that price, should cure the hunger in Africa.



Obligation? I don't have any. I just decided to post after a lot of people said that they were waiting in peace for the study, and I didn't want to let them have a stroke and a brain cancer, just like I did after the reading of it, when it will be available. What I'm saying is, do not expect anything from this study.
I won't share the study, which is way longer than the 10 rows that I wrote, simply because nobody else did it and I won't be the first scapegoat. What I did was meant to warn the users who are expecting something out of it and I backed my opinion.

Exist phototrichogram, hair weigh, biopsies or anything in the study?

 

[Armando Jose]

I have read the official FIDIA study and I have to admit that it's utterly delusional

I disagree with this, though. Even if there are obvious similarities to ReBoost situation, this time fidia was transparent. I'm not saying that the lotion does sh*t for our hairs, what I'm saying is that we can't objectively know because the things are not stated in the way we are used to talk about on hair loss sites. I still think that we'll need people to try this reporting with decent photos any changes or results from this trinov. 75€ for 30ml is a fcking lot of money. It's essentially more than 2€ per application. This sh*t in my opinion, at that price, should cure the hunger in Africa.



Obligation? I don't have any. I just decided to post after a lot of people said that they were waiting in peace for the study, and I didn't want to let them have a stroke and a brain cancer, just like I did after the reading of it, when it will be available. What I'm saying is, do not expect anything from this study.
I won't share the study, which is way longer than the 10 rows that I wrote, simply because nobody else did it and I won't be the first scapegoat. What I did was meant to warn the users who are expecting something out of it and I backed my opinion.

Exist phototrichogram, hair weigh, biopsies or anything in the study?

 

[Pacey123]

For those not scared this could atleast lead to the big 3 then, finasteride+minoxidil+Brotzu

 

[kiwipilu]

For those not scared this could atleast lead to the big 3 then, finasteride+minoxidil+Brotzu

let be honest for a treatment at such price you would expect big 3 efficiency ; )

 

[nick123]

Thanks for keeping us updated, I had a lot of hope for this lotion but it looks like ReBoost 2.0.

To the lads saying that they will buy it regardless of what the study says, please don't. This is the reason scams keep making it to market. Us fools should let these guys go bankrupt instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt and let them run off with profits.

Careful with the words you choose as if people like me who can't even maintain on dutasteride still need a maintenance option and like @The 7TH Sense said they have claimed this will aid with maintenance, i don't see why people requiring maintenance would not give this a try.

 

[FutureSaitama]

I saw the official study that was carried by Fidia + Brotzu + his son + first Brotzu's team, the one which was presented at Sitri briefly in form of abstract. This study lasted 6 months, from May to December 2016. I'm not aware of any other study that lasted 2 years. Maybe you are referring to one of the blatant Beps lies, in particular the one where he said that 5 years of hair could be recovered in 18 months? How the hell does he know if they conducted, as far as I'm aware, only two trials, both of 6 months duration? Don't get me started on him and his claims, please. I respect Brotzu senior but not his son.





I don't exactly understand what you mean by "fake" in this case; it's a language barrier I suppose. Don't get me wrong, the study is not false, is 100% true and legit. In fact, half of the pages are references and bibliography; all the claims, ideas, results stated are justified and supported by existing literature correctly quoted. Study design is ok aside from some incomprehensible choices, and a lot of different methods and devices were used to evaluate the situation and what was going on the patients' heads.
It just demonstrates nothing about the effectiveness of this lotion on Androgenetic Alopecia. Or, more precisely, the study demonstrates that in a time frame of 6 months, this lotion is able to practically halt the shedding in almost all the patients. What does it mean in terms of "yeah, does this mean we're cured..?" is left to our imagination. I don't feel safe about reviewing here the study because it shouldn't be available to the public. However, there are many questions that I would like to ask to the team, such as "why did you say in the abstract that you enrolled men from 18 to 55 and then you said the average age of the males is 46 years old, and later on you said that the range was 30-60?" or "why are you going to publish a study carried in 2016 when you admitted later in 2017 that there were stability issues with the lotion?" or the most hilarious one: "why did you write that 'All the authors state, however, that Fidia Farmaceutici S.p.A. did not participate in the decision to submit this manuscript for publication.' ???"

I'm constantly deleting and retyping this message because I don't want to disclose the study, but I could write for hours about it. I'll just explain better some things presented at last sitri after having read the full paper:

Aside from many other incomprehensible statements, the study shows that on women only the hair count increases in a significant manner, while in both groups the shedding is halted; in women's, the shedding stops almost immediately, while men experienced later these benefits. I don't know why the trial ended at 6 months then, if they were confident that men could have had their hair count increased over this time. The conclusions are "the lotion is effective and safe in stopping and preventing hair loss". What 'hair loss' means is left to the readers' imagination, meanwhile the lotion is marketed with "anti - hair fall" written under the package's name, and Fidia changed the last italian update from "hair loss cure" to "hair fall treatment".
What this lotion does is stopping the shedding ("favoring hair growth"), making "the hairs strong, more robust, and luscious".
There are many other points we could debate, such as regrowth amd thickening, but I don't want to disclose them.

Does it mean that for the next years we're going to use hair gel instead of hair blades? I don't really think so.

You are indeed one of the most knowledgeable and honest people on this forum. Thank you, Sense !

 

[SmoothSailing]

Careful with the words you choose as if people like me who can't even maintain on dutasteride still need a maintenance option and like @The 7TH Sense said they have claimed this will aid with maintenance, i don't see why people requiring maintenance would not give this a try.

I don't think 6 months is long enough to prove maintenance.

I mean 6 month studies with minoxidil show maintenance + regrowth, and we all know what happens a year or so later.

I my honest opinion the s-equol likely does nothing. The dlga likely does something but we've no idea how effective it will be long term. And unless Fidia have another study then we won't know for a year or so.

 

[MomoGee]

Careful with the words you choose as if people like me who can't even maintain on dutasteride still need a maintenance option and like @The 7TH Sense said they have claimed this will aid with maintenance, i don't see why people requiring maintenance would not give this a try.

If Fidia presents a 6 months trial then you can't even claim maintenance. If you give Keto shampoo to a 40 year old without aggressive loss then he will likely maintain hair in the space of 6 months.

 

[nick123]

@The 7TH Sense I'm keen to hear your opinion on a 23 year old diffuse thinner who can't maintain on dutasteride, finasteride, minoxidil, castor/coconut oil, nizoral and derma stamping and if this product could potentially slow down my hair loss? Even if it dosent fully provide maintenance..

 

[br1]

I saw the official study that was carried by Fidia + Brotzu + his son + first Brotzu's team, the one which was presented at Sitri briefly in form of abstract. This study lasted 6 months, from May to December 2016. I'm not aware of any other study that lasted 2 years. Maybe you are referring to one of the blatant Beps lies, in particular the one where he said that 5 years of hair could be recovered in 18 months? How the hell does he know if they conducted, as far as I'm aware, only two trials, both of 6 months duration? Don't get me started on him and his claims, please. I respect Brotzu senior but not his son.





I don't exactly understand what you mean by "fake" in this case; it's a language barrier I suppose. Don't get me wrong, the study is not false, is 100% true and legit. In fact, half of the pages are references and bibliography; all the claims, ideas, results stated are justified and supported by existing literature correctly quoted. Study design is ok aside from some incomprehensible choices, and a lot of different methods and devices were used to evaluate the situation and what was going on the patients' heads.
It just demonstrates nothing about the effectiveness of this lotion on Androgenetic Alopecia. Or, more precisely, the study demonstrates that in a time frame of 6 months, this lotion is able to practically halt the shedding in almost all the patients. What does it mean in terms of "yeah, does this mean we're cured..?" is left to our imagination. I don't feel safe about reviewing here the study because it shouldn't be available to the public. However, there are many questions that I would like to ask to the team, such as "why did you say in the abstract that you enrolled men from 18 to 55 and then you said the average age of the males is 46 years old, and later on you said that the range was 30-60?" or "why are you going to publish a study carried in 2016 when you admitted later in 2017 that there were stability issues with the lotion?" or the most hilarious one: "why did you write that 'All the authors state, however, that Fidia Farmaceutici S.p.A. did not participate in the decision to submit this manuscript for publication.' ???"

I'm constantly deleting and retyping this message because I don't want to disclose the study, but I could write for hours about it. I'll just explain better some things presented at last sitri after having read the full paper:

Aside from many other incomprehensible statements, the study shows that on women only the hair count increases in a significant manner, while in both groups the shedding is halted; in women's, the shedding stops almost immediately, while men experienced later these benefits. I don't know why the trial ended at 6 months then, if they were confident that men could have had their hair count increased over this time. The conclusions are "the lotion is effective and safe in stopping and preventing hair loss". What 'hair loss' means is left to the readers' imagination, meanwhile the lotion is marketed with "anti - hair fall" written under the package's name, and Fidia changed the last italian update from "hair loss cure" to "hair fall treatment".
What this lotion does is stopping the shedding ("favoring hair growth"), making "the hairs strong, more robust, and luscious".
There are many other points we could debate, such as regrowth amd thickening, but I don't want to disclose them.

Does it mean that for the next years we're going to use hair gel instead of hair blades? I don't really think so.

Wait. But did the study measure how much each participant was shedding before the lotion? If not, the claim it halts hair loss is totally null.

 

[MrJolly16]

I saw the official study that was carried by Fidia + Brotzu + his son + first Brotzu's team, the one which was presented at Sitri briefly in form of abstract. This study lasted 6 months, from May to December 2016. I'm not aware of any other study that lasted 2 years. Maybe you are referring to one of the blatant Beps lies, in particular the one where he said that 5 years of hair could be recovered in 18 months? How the hell does he know if they conducted, as far as I'm aware, only two trials, both of 6 months duration? Don't get me started on him and his claims, please. I respect Brotzu senior but not his son.





I don't exactly understand what you mean by "fake" in this case; it's a language barrier I suppose. Don't get me wrong, the study is not false, is 100% true and legit. In fact, half of the pages are references and bibliography; all the claims, ideas, results stated are justified and supported by existing literature correctly quoted. Study design is ok aside from some incomprehensible choices, and a lot of different methods and devices were used to evaluate the situation and what was going on the patients' heads.
It just demonstrates nothing about the effectiveness of this lotion on Androgenetic Alopecia. Or, more precisely, the study demonstrates that in a time frame of 6 months, this lotion is able to practically halt the shedding in almost all the patients. What does it mean in terms of "yeah, does this mean we're cured..?" is left to our imagination. I don't feel safe about reviewing here the study because it shouldn't be available to the public. However, there are many questions that I would like to ask to the team, such as "why did you say in the abstract that you enrolled men from 18 to 55 and then you said the average age of the males is 46 years old, and later on you said that the range was 30-60?" or "why are you going to publish a study carried in 2016 when you admitted later in 2017 that there were stability issues with the lotion?" or the most hilarious one: "why did you write that 'All the authors state, however, that Fidia Farmaceutici S.p.A. did not participate in the decision to submit this manuscript for publication.' ???"

I'm constantly deleting and retyping this message because I don't want to disclose the study, but I could write for hours about it. I'll just explain better some things presented at last sitri after having read the full paper:

Aside from many other incomprehensible statements, the study shows that on women only the hair count increases in a significant manner, while in both groups the shedding is halted; in women's, the shedding stops almost immediately, while men experienced later these benefits. I don't know why the trial ended at 6 months then, if they were confident that men could have had their hair count increased over this time. The conclusions are "the lotion is effective and safe in stopping and preventing hair loss". What 'hair loss' means is left to the readers' imagination, meanwhile the lotion is marketed with "anti - hair fall" written under the package's name, and Fidia changed the last italian update from "hair loss cure" to "hair fall treatment".
What this lotion does is stopping the shedding ("favoring hair growth"), making "the hairs strong, more robust, and luscious".
There are many other points we could debate, such as regrowth amd thickening, but I don't want to disclose them.

Does it mean that for the next years we're going to use hair gel instead of hair blades? I don't really think so.

Thanks @The 7TH Sense! Glad to read you again

So, do we buy it or what? I´m kind of broke, but I have the money I´ll try it and post photos so we can draw conclusions.