Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

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If the lotion actually stopped all shedding, there would be regrowth. Since there's no regrowth, then it's not actually stopping shedding. A hair sheds when it's in telogen phase. The lotion is claiming a higher anagen/telogen ratio. This can't possibly be true unless there's visible regrowth.

If a man with male pattern baldness has 70/30 anagen/telogen ratio at any one time, and he uses this lotion and supposedly goes to a normal 90/10 anagen/telogen ratio, he would have a lot more hair on his head. (Not technically "regrowth", since it's the same hairs you already have, but just more of it is growing at the same time than before). So clearly the lotion doesn't even do the little that they claim.
 
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So, let's sum up what we know for quite some time....again

DGLA : Weak as f*** in this form
S-Equol : Weak as f***, well documented in scientifc litterature
L-Cartinine : Fuckin' LMAO, used by pornstars to increase semen volume => Check, basically it's ATP Adenosine triphosphate, you can find like 50+ cosmetic products with ATP claiming to do something about hairloss, tested many of them => Utter scam.

And.....LiPoSoM3s, fancy delivery, sure that will do a huge difference....f*****g lol
 
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acbrantlin said:
If the lotion actually stopped all shedding, there would be regrowth. Since there's no regrowth, then it's not actually stopping shedding. A hair sheds when it's in telogen phase. The lotion is claiming a higher anagen/telogen ratio. This can't possibly be true unless there's visible regrowth.

If a man with male pattern baldness has 70/30 anagen/telogen ratio at any one time, and he uses this lotion and supposedly goes to a normal 90/10 anagen/telogen ratio, he would have a lot more hair on his head. (Not technically "regrowth", since it's the same hairs you already have, but just more of it is growing at the same time than before). So clearly the lotion doesn't even do the little that they claim.
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This. If there is zero regrowth - treatment doesn't work.
 
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acbrantlin said:
If the lotion actually stopped all shedding, there would be regrowth. Since there's no regrowth, then it's not actually stopping shedding. A hair sheds when it's in telogen phase. The lotion is claiming a higher anagen/telogen ratio. This can't possibly be true unless there's visible regrowth.

If a man with male pattern baldness has 70/30 anagen/telogen ratio at any one time, and he uses this lotion and supposedly goes to a normal 90/10 anagen/telogen ratio, he would have a lot more hair on his head. (Not technically "regrowth", since it's the same hairs you already have, but just more of it is growing at the same time than before). So clearly the lotion doesn't even do the little that they claim.
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how do you know? do you see it in the homemade replicas?
 
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acbrantlin said:
If the lotion actually stopped all shedding, there would be regrowth. Since there's no regrowth, then it's not actually stopping shedding. A hair sheds when it's in telogen phase. The lotion is claiming a higher anagen/telogen ratio. This can't possibly be true unless there's visible regrowth.

If a man with male pattern baldness has 70/30 anagen/telogen ratio at any one time, and he uses this lotion and supposedly goes to a normal 90/10 anagen/telogen ratio, he would have a lot more hair on his head. (Not technically "regrowth", since it's the same hairs you already have, but just more of it is growing at the same time than before). So clearly the lotion doesn't even do the little that they claim.
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I don't think that's the way it works. The problem with male pattern baldness is not the shedding, it's the fact that the shed hair grows thinner and thinner with time, or the follicle just stays inactive.

If it was an anagen booster, you'd probably thicken up existing hair and reactivate dormant follicles (and if it really was the only problem with male pattern baldness, your NW1/0 would grow all over evenly again in a few months/years, and if it really forced the hair follicle in anagen mode it would make your follicle produce hair forever and turning you into real life Rapunzel), but I'm pretty damn sure the lotion won't do that. There's no such thing as regrowth, only the follicles you already have getting reactivated, you're not making new ones.

That said, I'm italian and I really have no clue what the hell is going on with this lotion. It looks too weird to be a full on scam, looks too suspicious to be working properly, too. At this point I think they came up with a definitive cure and this whole study/release is just a massive prank. Worldwide release on April 1st 2019.


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Nothing really surprising has happened. But the question remains the same: how did the homemade lotion group obtain so incredible results?
 
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Drogedagh said:
Nothing really surprising has happened. But the question remains the same: how did the homemade lotion group obtain so incredible results?
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Also that Fidia photo from the study which showed regrowth. But if these are all we have - we’re clutching at straws.

This thread - oh dear oh dear.
 
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acbrantlin said:
If the lotion actually stopped all shedding, there would be regrowth. Since there's no regrowth, then it's not actually stopping shedding. A hair sheds when it's in telogen phase. The lotion is claiming a higher anagen/telogen ratio. This can't possibly be true unless there's visible regrowth.

If a man with male pattern baldness has 70/30 anagen/telogen ratio at any one time, and he uses this lotion and supposedly goes to a normal 90/10 anagen/telogen ratio, he would have a lot more hair on his head. (Not technically "regrowth", since it's the same hairs you already have, but just more of it is growing at the same time than before). So clearly the lotion doesn't even do the little that they claim.
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That's because you have absolutely zero clue of what the telogen phase is. It's not that when a hair follicle reaches telogen phase automatically falls instantly, it doesn't absolutely work this way. Instead, the telogen phase lasts a bunch of months in which the hair 'stops being alive', meaning that it stops its growth and stands up but in a dead state. The telogen hairs are the most prone to fall if pinched in a pull test. If this lotion changes the ratio of the anagen/telogen, the hairs you still have on your head will have a longer life than in their previous cycle, but the hair cycle lasts far more than the 6 months covered by the study. Anyways, the regrowth was there, was just very disappointing.
What you are referring to is the kenogen phase, where the follicle rests without producing any hair after the telogen phase, but this is not the case.
Attached to the study there are photos, results with statistical analysis, trichograms, scalp biopsies, graphs, and even videodermoscopies. If you believe they are false/fake, why should they have lied only on Anagen and Telogen ratio when they could do pump also the regrowth aspect (far more important) ?

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It was quite funny to see how 7th_sense went from saying that science behind lotion is solid to sayingthat it sucks and that brotzu is scammer
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I never ever said that the lotion is scam or Brotzu senior is a scammer, quote me on that if otherwise. The only one I began to bash in these months after sitri is Beps but I never seriously called scam even on him. I really think, as someone said, that Brotzu discovered something but since the studies are cryptic/unconclusive, I can't know how much this sh*t is going to work properly. Indeed, you would agree with the fact that having only the professor's words for 2 years, this story was based on faith primarily, and for all the arguments we debated in these years I decided to believe what Brotzu was saying. But since I'm not blind nor stupid, after the very first real occasion where he could have proved what he always said and instead he failed to deliver that, I obviously changed my mind a fair bit (and I'm ready to do it again if he will show something good at November's Sitri). It was the perfect occasion to show everybody the proof to all his claims since 2015, after confirming them even 2 days before the congress ("fidia study confirms my first trials", he told me on a private mail just before it) and delivered 1/100 of what he promised. There are no excuses for the fact that he didn't show practically any of what we were expecting, and he had the perfect opportunity at that congress with this study, that's unquestionable. Since I'm not brainless, and since nobody found a good excuse for why he brang such underwhelming results, I convinced myself that what was presented were the real capacities of the lotion. I'd be a fool if I still fully believed in this since like I did in 2016 (when it was more of a matter of having faith than now), don't you agree?
Unfortunately, I can't find any fun in this...
 
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Also that Fidia photo from the study which showed regrowth. But if these are all we have - we’re clutching at straws.

This thread - oh dear oh dear.
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For real man, I was checking this out of boredom but I really don't care until I know that it is something useful that I can buy and use. If the people here put half the time they waste on this tread in researching and studying this condition, we would have found the definitive cure by now. Citizen science, for f***'s sake, do something useful instead of insulting other people and cursing this damn lotion.
 
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acbrantlin said:
If the lotion actually stopped all shedding, there would be regrowth. Since there's no regrowth, then it's not actually stopping shedding. A hair sheds when it's in telogen phase. The lotion is claiming a higher anagen/telogen ratio. This can't possibly be true unless there's visible regrowth.

If a man with male pattern baldness has 70/30 anagen/telogen ratio at any one time, and he uses this lotion and supposedly goes to a normal 90/10 anagen/telogen ratio, he would have a lot more hair on his head. (Not technically "regrowth", since it's the same hairs you already have, but just more of it is growing at the same time than before). So clearly the lotion doesn't even do the little that they claim.
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Unfortunately This is a complete bullshit post mixed with delusional analysis based on Anus theory that people in this forum will believe it and considered it as fact.
 
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The 7TH Sense said:
That's because you have absolutely zero clue of what the telogen phase is. It's not that when a hair follicle reaches telogen phase automatically falls instantly, it doesn't absolutely work this way. Instead, the telogen phase lasts a bunch of months in which the hair 'stops being alive', meaning that it stops its growth and stands up but in a dead state. The telogen hairs are the most prone to fall if pinched in a pull test. If this lotion changes the ratio of the anagen/telogen, the hairs you still have on your head will have a longer life than in their previous cycle, but the hair cycle lasts far more than the 6 months covered by the study. Anyways, the regrowth was there, was just very disappointing.
What you are referring to is the kenogen phase, where the follicle rests without producing any hair after the telogen phase, but this is not the case.
Attached to the study there are photos, results with statistical analysis, trichograms, scalp biopsies, graphs, and even videodermoscopies. If you believe they are false/fake, why should they have lied only on Anagen and Telogen ratio when they could do pump also the regrowth aspect (far more important) ?


I never ever said that the lotion is scam or Brotzu senior is a scammer, quote me on that if otherwise. The only one I began to bash in these months after sitri is Beps but I never seriously called scam even on him. I really think, as someone said, that Brotzu discovered something but since the studies are cryptic/unconclusive, I can't know how much this sh*t is going to work properly. Indeed, you would agree with the fact that having only the professor's words for 2 years, this story was based on faith primarily, and for all the arguments we debated in these years I decided to believe what Brotzu was saying. But since I'm not blind nor stupid, after the very first real occasion where he could have proved what he always said and instead he failed to deliver that, I obviously changed my mind a fair bit (and I'm ready to do it again if he will show something good at November's Sitri). It was the perfect occasion to show everybody the proof to all his claims since 2015, after confirming them even 2 days before the congress ("fidia study confirms my first trials", he told me on a private mail just before it) and delivered 1/100 of what he promised. There are no excuses for the fact that he didn't show practically any of what we were expecting, and he had the perfect opportunity at that congress with this study, that's unquestionable. Since I'm not brainless, and since nobody found a good excuse for why he brang such underwhelming results, I convinced myself that what was presented were the real capacities of the lotion. I'd be a fool if I still fully believed in this since like I did in 2016 (when it was more of a matter of having faith than now), don't you agree?
Unfortunately, I can't find any fun in this...
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Thanks for your input. I feel that you are one of the more ‘balanced’ opinions here.

Is the study that you saw the study which was referred to in the conference slides? If so then what’s new? We already had the summary from the sitri presentation and everyone called it out for being shitty at the time. So what’s new?

Do you think there’s a chance that what you’ve seen is old initial study data and there’s more data or a whole other study they are holding onto?
 
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