Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

The 7TH Sense

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You mentioned in another comment that there were 2 6-month trials and one of them was in 2016. So, when was the second trail ? and which trial's report did you read ?
Another thing, what was Fidia doing in the whole 2017 and 1st half of 2018 ? Please dont tell me they spent 6 months for trial and 1.5 years for stability issue ?
Is there any trichogram, hair count, etc. included in the report ?
Other than the "age" and "6-month" problem, what were the things in their study make you think it was delusional ? If they truly offer maintenance, shouldnt it be worth a try ?
The two studies conducted are the one om Areata by Brotzu alone and the other one is this one on Androgenetic Alopecia. Fun fact, the areata one was not a professional/scientific study because at the end of the Androgenetic Alopecia study, in the conclusions, they wrote "it's needed a comparison between this lotion and the other therapies, as well as new studies on different forms of hair loss, such as Alopecia Areata". So the lotion is not going to be marketed as a Areata remedy, but I think that is due to keep it a cosmetic; Areata is a "proper" pathology in medicine unlike Androgenetic, so anything that could treat a pathology cannot be marketed as a cosmetic.
As far as I know, Fidia used 2017 to elaborate the study and to obtain the 3-years shelf life for the lotion. Brotzu senior told that they encountered many stability problems. That makes me question why they published a study if there were indeed these problems at that time.
The study is delusional basically for the age of subjects, regrowth and rethickening results; but the worst part is that they felt like they "ignored" these facts and said in the conclusions this remedy is effective because it stops the hairs from falling. It's like when you got a group laboratory research project at school, you and your mates fucked it up and tried to write a positive study out of it trying to trick the professor.
Hairs are described as "more robust", "more shining", "stronger", "more luscious", "more vital" but frankly I don't really know what this means.
It's like Brotzu went to a cancer congress and said he discovered a revolutionary treatment, but when he showed the data he said that tumor mass and volume remained the same, but the patients themselves felt "more energic", "more alive", "overall better"...

But yeah, if it does offer maintenance it's pure gold. I would have tried it anyways if it didn't cost so much, just for the sake of knowing if I have to go bald or not since I cannot tolerate finasteride and just fornthe sake of putting an end to this odissey that I'm following everyday since 2 years.

It still remains that trinov is coming out and being sold in mass quantities. If it were a complete scam it would not be coming out and mass marketed it is that simple.

Millions of dollars in branding, production, and marketing + lotion that doesn't work = A huge loss of money
That equation is trash since the lotion is a cosmetic. I'll now sh*t on everyone who bashed me back in the day when I always remembered the cosmetic/drug difference. If this was a drug, your logic could have had sense, because pharmacologic trials are done to confirm efficacy even over the other treatments already existing.
As far as we know, fidia could really be launching this product just to make profit from the initial hype. Who f*****g needs a 3 years shelf life for bottles of 30 ml if this was going to be a such breaktrough in hair loss remedies?


@Royaume
Bro, I totally agree with your Beps' insults, he is really one of a kind, the Discord gang knows what I think about him and how many times I bashed him these months after all the blatant lies he told to Clockwise, cavallopazzo and other people in contact with him. If you read the Discord, you would be on a flight to Cagliari to burn down his house. I bet it.
Oh and sorry for getting your IESON account banned. LMFAO
 

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The two studies conducted are the one om Areata by Brotzu alone and the other one is this one on Androgenetic Alopecia. Fun fact, the areata one was not a professional/scientific study because at the end of the Androgenetic Alopecia study, in the conclusions, they wrote "it's needed a comparison between this lotion and the other therapies, as well as new studies on different forms of hair loss, such as Alopecia Areata". So the lotion is not going to be marketed as a Areata remedy, but I think that is due to keep it a cosmetic; Areata is a "proper" pathology in medicine unlike Androgenetic, so anything that could treat a pathology cannot be marketed as a cosmetic.
As far as I know, Fidia used 2017 to elaborate the study and to obtain the 3-years shelf life for the lotion. Brotzu senior told that they encountered many stability problems. That makes me question why they published a study if there were indeed these problems at that time.
The study is delusional basically for the age of subjects, regrowth and rethickening results; but the worst part is that they felt like they "ignored" these facts and said in the conclusions this remedy is effective because it stops the hairs from falling. It's like when you got a group laboratory research project at school, you and your mates fucked it up and tried to write a positive study out of it trying to trick the professor.
Hairs are described as "more robust", "more shining", "stronger", "more luscious", "more vital" but frankly I don't really know what this means.
It's like Brotzu went to a cancer congress and said he discovered a revolutionary treatment, but when he showed the data he said that tumor mass and volume remained the same, but the patients themselves felt "more energic", "more alive", "overall better"...

But yeah, if it does offer maintenance it's pure gold. I would have tried it anyways if it didn't cost so much, just for the sake of knowing if I have to go bald or not since I cannot tolerate finasteride and just fornthe sake of putting an end to this odissey that I'm following everyday since 2 years.


That equation is trash since the lotion is a cosmetic. I'll now sh*t on everyone who bashed me back in the day when I always remembered the cosmetic/drug difference. If this was a drug, your logic could have had sense, because pharmacologic trials are done to confirm efficacy even over the other treatments already existing.
As far as we know, fidia could really be launching this product just to make profit from the initial hype. Who f*****g needs a 3 years shelf life for bottles of 30 ml if this was going to be a such breaktrough in hair loss remedies?


@Royaume
Bro, I totally agree with your Beps' insults, he is really one of a kind, the Discord gang knows what I think about him and how many times I bashed him these months after all the blatant lies he told to Clockwise, cavallopazzo and other people in contact with him. If you read the Discord, you would be on a flight to Cagliari to burn down his house. I bet it.
Oh and sorry for getting your IESON account banned. LMFAO

Thanks for the reply. I agree with you, cosmetic cant never be even compared to DRUG.
In the Sitri in April, one of the slides mentioned that they did hair count, trichogram, pull test, wash test, etc. to confirm the efficacy of the lotion, did they include these info in their report or not at all (meaning they are obviously lying)

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What I want to know is....and lets forget Beps and Fidias study for a moment.....if this lotion and the ingredients do nothing, why did and 81 year old vascular scientist (Giovanni Brotzu) mix those ingredients together under the belief they would do something....then in turn observe that they did do something to hair and then use that information and convince a multi million euro company to invest into it and bring it into full production?

Is he lying and a scammer at 81 years old and the son of quite a famous polictician/mayor and pharmacologist?

Why does Francesca Cristoforetti praise it so much and it grew all her daughters hair back in the trials...yet this isnt mentioned in this study? Because that is a BIG discovery for the Areata pathology...albeit useless to us on here.

Just find this whole saga crazy.
 

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Not sure if I am delusional to hope that this has maintenance potential?

I'll buy it because the money is not an issue for me and I've really got f*** all else to experiment with.
 

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Not sure if I am delusional to hope that this has maintenance potential?

I'll buy it because the money is not an issue for me and I've really got f*** all else to experiment with.
Please don´t forget to share your progress here.
 

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What I want to know is....and lets forget Beps and Fidias study for a moment.....if this lotion and the ingredients do nothing, why did and 81 year old vascular scientist (Giovanni Brotzu) mix those ingredients together under the belief they would do something....then in turn observe that they did do something to hair and then use that information and convince a multi million euro company to invest into it and bring it into full production?

Is he lying and a scammer at 81 years old and the son of quite a famous polictician/mayor and pharmacologist?

Why does Francesca Cristoforetti praise it so much and it grew all her daughters hair back in the trials...yet this isnt mentioned in this study? Because that is a BIG discovery for the Areata pathology...albeit useless to us on here.

Just find this whole saga crazy.


Well I don't think he's necessarily a scammer. He discovered something that's useful for hair growth DLGA, and looked up some old studies and added s-equol thinking it could halt androgenetic balding. The original patent he sold didn't even mention eqol. The DLGA looks like it's worth something, maybe only for areata, but either way that was his discovery.

Now his claims seem obviously outlandish, but it's possible he believes them to some extent himself if the studies were done so poorly, and it's also likely that he overhyped the product to increase revenue.

Either way, he did discover something that does appear to be useful in some scenarios.
 

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If money is no issue, try 2g seti with PGE2 like @westonci ?
Or maybe CB at higher doses. That stuff sounds like a really expensive side-free Finasteride. Has anyone from the community had the chance to try it? I remember quite a bit of excitement for Cassiopeia's Winlevi and Breezula but it kinda died away like every thing in this industry.
 

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If money is no issue, try 2g seti with PGE2 like @westonci ?

I've been reading about seti and apparently quite a few people have had brain fog from it, which continued even after stopping. Seti is not an option for me in that case as I have MAJOR issues with brain for which I'm currently treating (and could be contributing to my hair loss as I'm full of mercury).
Have people had success with a topical of PGE2 on its own? Any sides from this?
 

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Thanks. I was considering to get on seti. What's the best source?
I don't know much about PGE2 except that it reduces prostaglandin D2? Where can I see more info and a source? Any sides with PGE2?

I use Lyphar Biotech on Alibaba, I've had a good experience with them. There may be a much cheaper supplier available soon though. Seti is to block PGD2 for maintenance, PGE2 is to stimulate growth.

Check out his progress here https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...ernative-to-finasteride-and-minoxidil.113910/
 

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I use Lyphar Biotech on Alibaba, I've had a good experience with them. There may be a much cheaper supplier available soon though. Seti is to block PGD2 for maintenance, PGE2 is to stimulate growth.

Check out his progress here https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...ernative-to-finasteride-and-minoxidil.113910/

Thanks. I'll have a proper read (I did actually scan this briefly in the past)... Did you see my second post above about seti? Wondering if PGE2 on its own might be effective...
 

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Or maybe CB at higher doses. That stuff sounds like a really expensive side-free Finasteride. Has anyone from the community had the chance to try it? I remember quite a bit of excitement for Cassiopeia's Winlevi and Breezula but it kinda died away like every thing in this industry.
It will resurrect by end of this year
 

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Or maybe CB at higher doses. That stuff sounds like a really expensive side-free Finasteride. Has anyone from the community had the chance to try it? I remember quite a bit of excitement for Cassiopeia's Winlevi and Breezula but it kinda died away like every thing in this industry.

I’ve not come across CB. Where can I see some info? Thanks
 

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Thankfully, today this lost 99% of its audience.
Let FIDIA pay for what they've done, I'll be glad to watch them burn (not literally, of course).
 

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I’ve not come across CB. Where can I see some info? Thanks
I'm not at home at the moment but I'll try searching for stuff tonight. I think it was Cassiopeia's phase 2 study that showed CB being compared favourably against Finasteride.
 
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