Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

[INT]

I don't mind the guy as I am very positive myself but you can't speak to people like that with no provocation

He was extremely toxic for this thread.

 

[MomoGee]

Just kidding my hair is not that good *bursts into tears*

 

[Alternative]

But then it seems that his son, I mean Beps, had no regrowth at all, I didn't see his photos but I spoke with people who know him and I trust IESON's users who saw them. This is depressing and I confess it cut my hopes in half when I first came to know this, because he was saying everywhere he recovered 2 Norwood grades or at least 1. I don't believe he stopped using the lotion (he never declared to have that intention), so I can't understand this. Maybe he and his father just got hyped for 4 vellus of regrowth.

Maybe beps was not talking about himself since he was under the guise of anonimity (In his facebook conversation with Clockwise, beps just told him that he had a "case" not specifying that it was him).
I would not trust ieson members myself since they constanly kept lying and lying about FIDIA statements. Now that you mention that you spoke to people who know beps, that is a major issue that should not be overlooked unless those people did not interact with beps for 2 years.
So it may not work as well on Androgenetic Alopecia than Areata I guess or even doesn't work at all.

 

[FCKW36]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/tricologia/
Their Facebook page. This is mentioned:

Cari amici,
La S.I.Tri. Società Italiana di Tricologia è lieta di annunciare che al prossimo Congresso di primavera, a Napoli, parteciperà anche il Prof. Giovanni Brotzu di Cagliari.
Il Prof. Brotzu porterà una relazione dal titolo: ”soluzione liposomiale contenente DGLA, Equolo e Carnitene per il trattamento dell’alopecia androgenetica.”
Con questa relazione il Prof. Brotzu ci presenterà gli aggiornamenti riguardo i suoi studi in materia.

Which translates to:

Dear friends,
The S.I.Tri. Italian Society of Trichology is pleased to announce that Prof. Giovanni Brotzu of Cagliari will take part in the next Spring Congress in Naples.
Prof. Brotzu will bring a report entitled: "liposomal solution containing DGLA, Equolo and Carnitene for the treatment of androgenetic alopecia."
With this report Prof. Brotzu will present us with updates on his studies on the subject.

What more do you want to hear? He is there on behalf of Fidia, since they did the Androgenetic Alopecia studies. Fidia employees will be present as well.

Thank you.

 

[d3nt3dsh0v3l]

Royaume is banned! Congrats to every sane person in this thread!

I don't mind the guy as I am very positive myself but you can't speak to people like that with no provocation

Oh irony of ironies!

The guy who hasn't shut the f*** up for the last 700 pages may remain permanently muted as actual news of the Brotion descends upon his beloved forum.

The Brotzu thread is a cruel mistress indeed.

 

[TONSofBODYHAIR]

@The 7TH Sense dont forget about shiseido, if brotzu fails we can find some hope in the trial results coming out this year. Im in the same boat as you probably got 1-1.5 years before i go full diffuse nw6

 

[Eazy12]

A inside source told me the secret ingredient is a type of oil secreted from snakes.

 

[Rolandconil]

But then it seems that his son, I mean Beps, had no regrowth at all, I didn't see his photos but I spoke with people who know him and I trust IESON's users who saw them. This is depressing and I confess it cut my hopes in half when I first came to know this, because he was saying everywhere he recovered 2 Norwood grades or at least 1. I don't believe he stopped using the lotion (he never declared to have that intention), so I can't understand this. Maybe he and his father just got hyped for 4 vellus of regrowth.

But speaking the truth all of this doesn't matter, not because I didn't personally see his photos, but because the congress is next month. Soon we'll know everything, I guess.

@beps63 what do you say?
and why did you talk about cetrizine before?

 

[NorwoodGuardian]

I think the results will be comparable to minoxidil, too. Which is not a bad thing, good responders get a LOT of regrowth from it. We could hope that everybody will be a "good responder" to this lotion.

But what really bugs me is how much the results will last, or, in short, if we could achieve maintenance. What I hope, frankly, is not a replacement of Minoxidil but a replacement of finasteride (sideless, obviously). I don't expect anything more because I am skeptical too, but the science behind is very solid and the treatment addresses 2 major key parts of Androgenetic Alopecia. Remembering what InBeforeTheCure said last year, PGE1 has the same pathways of Minoxidil, so it could really achieve what minoxidil does. I remember he also said in his opinion maintenance could be achievable basing on the efficacy of Equol to inhibit DHT in the long run. Given its double properties, DHT blocker and Estrogen receptor Beta agonist, if the liposomal vehicle really works I can't see how we couldn't achieve at least maintenance. Unfortunately many times the practice disrespects the theory (just read the Darolutamide thread) and we can't even figure why.
I would get so f*****g mad if it will reveal itself as an another useful treatment only for the finasteride users (also because the majority of them are obnoxious trolls who think they will never deal with hairloss again unlike us poor side effects sufferers).
It's also kind of sad that in the abstract posted from Beps the results are limited to the 6th month mark, because they were trialling since the second quarter of 2016 (2 years already passed since). Even though I perfectly understand that there were stability problems. Obviously, the lotion couldn't work if it was not stable. Judging by all the people I asked, contacted and stalked, the stability problems were found only later so I really think they had to restart them after solving the issue.

I frankly say that even though I'm quite optimist, I'm shitting my pants in the waiting for SITRI's meeting, because in a month I will know if I have to go bald or not. Definitely I'm giving up if this won't be a valid alternative to finasteride, maybe I'll browse the website to find out eventual Polichem updates but sadly that's still finasteride at the end. I see no feasible treatment in the pipeline that could be effective, affordable, accessible and available soon for me except from Brotzu and Polichem and I understand this is the situation of most of the users judging by this thread...

I still think we have more reasons to remain optimistic than pessimistic. I talked to some Areata testers treated by Brotzu in these months, even though each of them told me a quite different story on the things that were happening between Brotzu and FIDIA, 4 out of 5 were really amazed by the regrowth achieved thanks to the use of Brotzu Lotion and all of them were impatiently waiting for the lotion to be marketed, they sent me the photos and the recovery was total, 100% (I'm talking about the kids treated, I spoke with their parents obviously).
So I can't really see why the doctor should have told half of the truth in his interviews, I mean it seems quite true what he always said about areata, so why should he lied when talking about Androgenetic Alopecia ? Makes no sense, also because the lotion was discovered by accident while treating AGAs.
But then it seems that his son, I mean Beps, had no regrowth at all, I didn't see his photos but I spoke with people who know him and I trust IESON's users who saw them. This is depressing and I confess it cut my hopes in half when I first came to know this, because he was saying everywhere he recovered 2 Norwood grades or at least 1. I don't believe he stopped using the lotion (he never declared to have that intention), so I can't understand this. Maybe he and his father just got hyped for 4 vellus of regrowth.

But speaking the truth all of this doesn't matter, not because I didn't personally see his photos, but because the congress is next month. Soon we'll know everything, I guess.

I just dunno why many ppl including you always say no treatments in the pipeline when it is clear that Follica and Shiseido could hit the market in 2019? Can't you read? Why always deny the fact? Not effective? Follica can cause follicle neogenesis although we don't know the cosmetic result, but we dunno Brotzu either. Not affordable? You know the price? Not accessible? You can't go on a plane or a train? You know the commercialization arrangement? Not available soon? 2019 2020 not soon enough?

 

[Arrade]

I have a feeling @beps63 isn’t gonna talk until April 14th. Though I heard somewhere else Brotzu said spring/summer should be the release *fingers crossed*

 

[Arrade]

Remember if you’re saying Beotzu’s son @beps63 didn’t have regrowth then it’d be because he is in 50’s. 20 year olds should react better as stated, because of the calcification process (recent balding) and youth generally responding better to meds.

 

[Rolandconil]

I just dunno why many ppl including you always say no treatments in the pipeline when it is clear that Follica and Shiseido could hit the market in 2019? Can't you read? Why always deny the fact? Not effective? Follica can cause follicle neogenesis although we don't know the cosmetic result, but we dunno Brotzu either. Not affordable? You know the price? Not accessible? You can't go on a plane or a train? You know the commercialization arrangement? Not available soon? 2019 2020 not soon enough?

Follica will work 100%! but how much will it be economical / effective? In any case, you will need to buy a massage device for applying medicines. The price of this device will be at least $ 500 dollars. Plus minoxidil + other remedy. I just do not know how often it will be necessary to use Minoxidil. You will have to visit a dermatologist for a skin injury. I also think that a dermatologist will not injure your head entirely, rather 5cm2, so a dermatologist will have to visit at least 10 times - this is also not free. Also it is not clear for whom it will be necessary to injure, Follica declares that he creates new follicles. And what if your follicles are still alive, then why create new follicles? it turns out you will just apply minoxidil through the device Follica? If Kotzarelis says that the new follicles created by Follica are not subject to Androgenetic Alopecia, then this is a holy grail. But so far we do not know anything.

 

[Btg]

is there noone who participated in the brotzu trials in any online forum ? would be nice to get some answers i guess

 

[worm]

is there noone who participated in the brotzu trials in any online forum ? would be nice to get some answers i guess

Think they are under contract not to leak anything to the public. Jole was posting a bit about it on FB, until she was shut down by fidia/brotzu.

It's weeks away, everyone just needs to keep their panties on and wait for the big day.

 

[FutureSaitama]

Think they are under contract not to leak anything to the public. Jole was posting a bit about it on FB, until she was shut down by fidia/brotzu.

It's weeks away, everyone just needs to keep their panties on and wait for the big day.

I'm keeping my panties, the problem is that i can't keep my hair...

 

[Alternative]

April 14 is the new March release.
Prepare for big disappoinments in April 14.
imho, 6 months study is not enough to make claims about maintenance or substantial regrowth.

If you wanted to know the status of the patent, the patent will be fully granted in March 28 when it is published on patent bulletin (I read document on patentscope).

It's crazy how the original Brotzu studies in the patent are only 4 months, yet claims stopping hair loss in all subjects as a result.

 

[br1]

April 14 is the new March release.
Prepare for big disappoinments in April 14.
imho, 6 months study is not enough to make claims about maintenance or substantial regrowth.

If you wanted to know the status of the patent, the patent will be fully granted in March 28 when it is published on patent bulletin (I read document on patentscope).

It's crazy how the original Brotzu studies in the patent are only 4 months, yet claims stopping hair loss in all subjects as a result.

He said hair stop falling in 1 week.

Take it from there

 

[Sam1]

Any chemists in group? Is it safe to assume that if you’re a non- responder to minoxidil the Brotzu won’t work either?.

 

[Drogedagh]

Just wait till April 14th. Brotzu will tell you everything you need to know. Maybe.

 

[Arrade]

When you feel and see your hair falling everyday, I think in a week you could tell if it’s stopping hairloss.
Hair growth cycles are 3 months so if more hair is there in 4 months it makes sense.
I’m not a Brotzu shill lmao. Just another baldy hoping for an effective and affordable treatment