Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

[BrianH]

OMG you guys are actually going to spend the time to figure out what it is and buy individual ingredients before release?

1. They said it is coming out soon (next year)
2. It is bull**** that is not going to work

Clearly you have not been around long enough to spot the bull****. Here is a clue: if their lips move, they are talking bull****.

Product gets announced out of the blue, is coming out soon, and works really well. Tiny sample, no photos. Yeah OK.

You guys do the classic thing of rationalizing something that you desperately want to believe. It is a very well known human behaviour.

I feel a bit of a dick writing this post since all I seem to do these days is come to this forum perhaps twice a year, see the same old desperate nonsense, write a couple of posts ridiculing said nonsense, then leave for another six months. But you can be a dick and still be right on the money, like me.

Kinda reminds me of the rave when follicept took the forums by storm.. not sure about this forum I wasn't a member here at the time. Hopefully it's a miracle, but I'd have to agree with everything you said

 

[I.D WALKER]

Kinda reminds me of the rave when follicle took the forums by storm.. not sure about this forum I wasn't aware at the time. Hopefully it's a miracle, but I'd have to agree with everything you said

Yes most of us have seen this play before so I think your perspective here is totally healthy.
I guess we'll know in a few months if this will moves forward or not.
We don't yet know if it works at all or moreover how well;
thanks in part to the low quality/quantity of pics as well as the clinical data. In this game
many balls have been fumbled at the end zone very few are scored on the punt return.
I hope male pattern baldness has at least one early win this season.
I say this only as a tired observer.

 

[b7acknwh1t3]

would be awesome if it works

 

[Alphus]

I sent an email 2 days ago to fidia pharmaceutic (outcome: don't be too optimistic )
asking when where will be ready, this lotion, why there is not much information on the web and if it is effective for Androgenetic Alopecia.
From F. E. (nice name, but it's a girl, **** you, you won't know what's Androgenetic Alopecia!)

For Italian reader:

Gentile Signor *****

in risposta alla sua mail, le forniamo alcune informazioni riguardo al progetto, che riteniamo possano essere utili.

In merito al rimedio per l’alopecia studiato dal professor Brotzu, in collaborazione con alcuni ricercatori dell’Università di Cagliari per la parte di sviluppo formulativo, Fidia precisa che si tratta di una scoperta scientifica dalle potenzialità molto interessanti, che hanno spinto l’azienda ad acquisirne la proprietà intellettuale e ad impegnarsi per farlo diventare un’opportunità reale per tutti i pazienti che sono afflitti da questo problema.

Fidia auspica di poter iniziare uno studio clinico il prossimo mese di Marzo, secondo un protocollo definito e la cui formulazione dovrà poi essere industrialmente sviluppata.
Non siamo in grado, ad oggi, di prevedere i risultati di efficacia e tollerabilità, che dovranno essere comprovati dallo studio stesso, con evidenze statisticamente significative.

Per questa ragione non è stato ancora elaborato un timing preciso per la commercializzazione del prodotto e conseguente piano di comunicazione.
La prego di condividere questa nostra mail, anche con le persone che come lei sono interessate ad un rimedio per l’alopecia, in modo da non creare false aspettative.

La terremo aggiornata in merito agli sviluppi del nostro studio e conseguente eventuale soluzione commercializzata.

Siamo a disposizione per qualsiasi chiarimento e la salutiamo cordialmente.

For english reader, I tried to translate:

Dear Sirs *****

in response to your mail, we show you some data about the project that we think can be useful.

With regard to the remedy for Androgenetic Alopecia examined by professor Brotzu, in cooperation with some reserchears of the university of Cagliari (per la parte di sviluppo formulativo? I don't know how to translate, sorry), Fidia clarifies that this is a scientific discovery with very interesting potentiality, which have encouraged the company to acquire the intellectual propriety and to undertake for making a real opportunity for all the patients that are suffering for this problem.

Fidia hopes to begin a clinical study next month, on the basis of a definite protocol and in which the (formula?) will be developed industrially.
We cannot know, so far, to forecast the outcomes of efficiency and tolerability, that will should be demonstrated from the study itself, with statistical evidence.

For this reason it is not yet developed an accurate timing (she uses "timing" even in italian, ahah) for the comercialization of the product and the following communication plan.
Please, share this email, also with people who, as you, are interested in a remedey for Androgenetic Alopecia, in order to not create false hope.

We keep you informed about the progress of our research and the subsequent possible commercial product.

We are available for any clarification, we greet you cordially

((((

Sorry, the translation is not perfect, but I think generally is understable.
Please, italian readers, correct me.
I am available to send the original mail, if someone demands me!
Maybe it's a good idea doing the GB! We cannot wait ​another five years...

 

[I.D WALKER]

Well Alphus I wish to extend my gratitude for the earnest and selfless effort you took on behalf of the HairLossTalk.com community.

I won't speculate why contact's response is more ambiguous than I hoped it would be.

On the other hand I feel a bit encouraged that she is willing to keep an open correspondence with all interested parties. Might be an interesting experiment if we continually inundate their "office" with inquiries from now on?

You are right in that (at this time) we should not be expecting positive gains from this or for that matter any other supposedly promising treatment.

Thanks also for taking the time to furnish our English/Italian readers with your good translation.

 

[Pavi]

Well, there goes the chance of this thread's title from happening

 

[Alphus]

Well Alphus I wish to extend my gratitude for the earnest and selfless effort you took on behalf of the HairLossTalk.com community.

I won't speculate why contact's response is more ambiguous than I hoped it would be.

On the other hand I feel a bit encouraged that she is willing to keep an open correspondence with all interested parties. Might be an interesting experiment if we continually inundate their "office" with inquiries from now on?

You are right in that (at this time) we should not be expecting positive gains from this or for that matter any other supposedly promising treatment.

Thanks also for taking the time to furnish our English/Italian readers with your good translation.

Thank you, you are kind. But it was not selfless, since Androgenetic Alopecia is my enemy for at least 4-5 years.
Anyway, I don't understand why Brotzu claimed so many results but she told me that they need yet some studies (then 5 years)...
I am afraid that Brotzu's interview were false... ... I will find his email and...should I try to contact him personally?

 

[whatevr]

What bull****. Hope all these companies get shafted 'cause they're totally worthless. Just don't get your hopes up for anything in the future, so you don't get disappointed.

When I remember I was excited in late 2014 when we found Versapro, thinking we will be able to use CB and it was all gonna be grand. Then the same **** with Seti and PGE2. Where is all that now? No results to be seen even with a microscope. Mother****.

 

[Pavi]

What bull****. Hope all these companies get shafted 'cause they're totally worthless. Just don't get your hopes up for anything in the future, so you don't get disappointed.

When I remember I was excited in late 2014 when we found Versapro, thinking we will be able to use CB and it was all gonna be grand. Then the same **** with Seti and PGE2. Where is all that now? No results to be seen even with a microscope. Mother****.

Hey man.... We still have SM, replicel and histogen to look forward to. All are promising big things

 

[buckthorn]

What bull****. Hope all these companies get shafted 'cause they're totally worthless. Just don't get your hopes up for anything in the future, so you don't get disappointed.

When I remember I was excited in late 2014 when we found Versapro, thinking we will be able to use CB and it was all gonna be grand. Then the same **** with Seti and PGE2. Where is all that now? No results to be seen even with a microscope. Mother****.

First off, just because it didn't happen back then does not mean it will not happen in the future. Secondly, I don't understand why every one is losing hope in Histogen. Some of their photo evidence is incredible and should be given great consideration. It's a waste of time to base everything in the future on the past. I am just as fed up and frustrated as you are, and am definitely not foolishly hopeful, but realistic. There could be a viable cure within the next three cures, there may not be. It's a waste of time to get over hopeful and it's a depressing waste of time to not have any hope at all. Lets wait and see Samuned's results as well. :dunno:

 

[JLC]

Maybe it's a good idea doing the GB! We cannot wait ​another five years...

Yeah, what's happening about the GB? I'd be interested.

 

[hilbert]

it's not gonna be 5 yrs for a non-med lotion. in other emails sent by members of the italian forum Fidia said approx 1.5 yrs.

and where are the reasons to be so disappointed with CB and seti so far?
(i'm overly pessimistic too, and i can understand giving up sometimes, but imho we have to be objective to save our hair)

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

If they are starting the phase III trial next month, that means they need one year for the trial to happen, and maybe deliver positive results.

Late 2017 is an optimistic release date for this product.

 

[hilbert]

no phase x trials. it's not classified as a med.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Well either way, they are doing a trial, if they want good convincing results they should do 52 weeks, but really the minimum is 6 months.

 

[Alphus]

Yes but in that email they not seem so confident...
If I understand correctly: brotzu has discovered alone that his lotion works, also for Androgenetic Alopecia.Fidia thinks that brotzu's experiment is correct but they must repeat the research before commercialize this...
If so , we can send an email to brotzu ( I cannot find anywhere) for asking more infornation and maybe make the magic potion for ourserlves.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

It's normal for the email not to sound confident. The tone of the email doesn't mean anything.

 

[I.D WALKER]

Whether or not this moves forward is a moot colloquy.
I commend them for responding in the first place.

 

[mcmc]

Wish this would move forward

 

[firstpost]

What bull****. Hope all these companies get shafted 'cause they're totally worthless. Just don't get your hopes up for anything in the future, so you don't get disappointed.

When I remember I was excited in late 2014 when we found Versapro, thinking we will be able to use CB and it was all gonna be grand. Then the same **** with Seti and PGE2. Where is all that now? No results to be seen even with a microscope. Mother****.

I'm regrowing my hair with seti without any anti-androgens or minoxidil. So PGD2 angle is sound. There is also a more potent seti analogue on the horizon.