I can understand each and every one of you guy's pain with balding. It sucks. But I'm just writing to give you guys some wisdom, about how to deal with it, I've seen a few threads on this website with users pleading the balding community to hit the gym and improve your physical aesthetics rather than squander them on propecia. Trust me when I say girls will flock to guys with an incredible face, athletic bodies but who have a fairly sh*t haircut (I'm talking about the Norwood 3/4's onwards with fairly thickish hair that pull off a respectable haircut and nothing special) rather than a guy with a juvenile hairline as thick as a horse's mane, but with a old, bloated moon face and dad bod, not mention skin issues that come with propecia. Not that I'm saying going to gym will turn you into a bald joe mangienello, but it will certainly bring out the facial aesthetics in your face with a controlled diet and weight/cardio training, like the cheekbones, defined jawline etc. Everything just looks more chiselled and attractive. And for those that have a less than respectable haircut, try and find your best style with what you've got, and save up for a hair transplant, or just don a cap untill you go ahead with the transplant. But I'm not a believer in propecia one bit, and the crap it can do to you emotionally and mentally. Trust me, I've seen it with my own eyes, 10/10 girls leaking like a waterfall in between their legs with guys that have a below average haircut, but sculpted bodies and faces. And if some of you guys can pull off the bald look with a nice head shape, shave it off, obtain a membership to the gym, acquire a tan and never look back, and make no mistake a good looking cap can go with just about anything apart from a suit, so don't be afraid to wear one. I myself look better in a cap than a shaved head, but the ultimate goal is to put up with the cap untill you save up for a transplant. And for those whose hair is nearly all gone, and can't do much with a transplant, then focus on imroving your face and body. A backround on me, I'm a Norwood 2.5ish with fairly thick hair, but I know for sure I'll probably loose some more in the near future as my dads pretty much bald and my grandad on my mum's side was the same, however my grandad on my dad's side had a straight hairline as thick as anything with a tiny bit of thinning at the back, but I know that plays no part in male pattern baldness. But anyway untill my hairs commit suicide, I'll be doing the methods above. And if any of you guys have any problems regarding your face, (underbite, overbite, teeth problems, nose problems) to the extent that it's quite bad, then contact the Nhs or your dentists, or the respectable doctor for your problem and see if you qualify for the surgery to correct it. I've got an underbite myself, and will be going to surgery in October to fix it after a few years in braces (search up the process of you need more info) but I've been told by countless people who have had the same problem that it's all worth it, and you'll see a lot of changes for the better. Anyway guys, I'm not here to slander anyone or the forum itself, just here to give some pointers and ideas, because I know balding can send a man into pandemonium.