Louis C.k.: The Impact Of A Bald Man Pulling His Dick Out Without Your Consent

[JeanLucBB]

Did they monetise this? Or did you even know that they did upon writing this?

This thread is ridiculous. If you knew a friend who said "so lol I whipped my c*** out and started beating at it" you'd think he was fucked in the head and would either insist on him getting help, or forget about him.

But because it suits the narrative he's now a harmless child just beating himself off in front of other people.

I really hope the thread starter has a boss or someone in power randomly ask him if it's ok to have a wank in front of him while he just, looks at you, dead in the eye. Maybe then this will hit home.

If it was a close friend why would you forget about them? Everyone is fucked up or does fucked up things a few times in their life, why should we crucify one for something so small and petty in the grand scheme of life just because they are unlucky enough to get caught when they do? If my boss asked to masturbate in front of me I would leave and tell someone. What is the big deal? Also from what I've read he wasn't their boss and there was no specific employment proximity, (not 100% sure though). It really does depend on who the guy saying it is and their looks whether it would be creepy or funny, and its really all about consent. If he asked if he could and they said yes then why is this a problem?

It's really all about context, who does it, what the EXACT circumstances are, whether there is consent, whether it is a once off.

It just seems so petty to make someone disappear and disregard them because they did something that you have no understanding of, and no accurate facts regarding but heard it some claims through the mainstream media and twitter wars. As sexist as it sounds, women overstate and bullshit all the f*****g time too, a few weeks ago in town for example when walking to my car at 3 am I was behind this girl and a few black guys came up and said something to her which I didn't hear. She turns around after they walk further and says "did you see that? That guy just grabbed my ***!". Needless to say, I was looking the whole time and it didn't happen.

People are too quick to crucify, especially women.

 

[rclark]

No one is trying to get him put in jail it's not a crime. Telling a woman at work she has a nice *** in front of the whole office isn't a crime either, but it's still sexual harassment. There's a huge difference there.

Everybody in the United States has been sexually harassed these days, it seems.

You live in California. I'm surprised you haven't been groped yet by Weinstein or Spacey?

 

[Rudiger]

If it was a close friend why would you forget about them? Everyone is fucked up or does fucked up things a few times in their life, why should we crucify one for something so small and petty in the grand scheme of life just because they are unlucky enough to get caught when they do? If my boss asked to masturbate in front of me I would leave and tell someone. What is the big deal? Also from what I've read he wasn't their boss and there was no specific employment proximity, (not 100% sure though). It really does depend on who the guy saying it is and their looks whether it would be creepy or funny, and its really all about consent. If he asked if he could and they said yes then why is this a problem?

It's really all about context, who does it, what the EXACT circumstances are, whether there is consent, whether it is a once off.

It just seems so petty to make someone disappear and disregard them because they did something that you have no understanding of, and no accurate facts regarding but heard it some claims through the mainstream media and twitter wars. As sexist as it sounds, women overstate and bullshit all the f*****g time too, a few weeks ago in town for example when walking to my car at 3 am I was behind this girl and a few black guys came up and said something to her which I didn't hear. She turns around after they walk further and says "did you see that? That guy just grabbed my ***!". Needless to say, I was looking the whole time and it didn't happen.

People are too quick to crucify, especially women.

I gave the option of telling them to seek help OR forgetting about them.

He got unlucky?

I gave the analogy of a pedophile for a reason, because if you want to defend someone with just that one little problem of asking random people to watch him wank outside of an intimate situation, then there's clearly something wrong with that, and just like a pedophile, that needs to be dealt with in some way.

I have no idea what Louis CKs punishment should be, not a clue, I don't know if it's overblown or exaggerated.

What I do know, and what I can see, is people minimising the damage because they feel sorry for a guy who got "unlucky" (I guess his c*** just fell in to his hand) doing something that he got "consent" for (from women who thought he was joking).

Like let's just remove the media furore, and pretend this got zero attention, let's pretend someone posted that this came out on Twitter and Louis admitted it, and nobody cared, and for some reason it came up on this forum.

Would you think it's fucked up then?

 

[JeanLucBB]

I gave the option of telling them to seek help OR forgetting about them.

He got unlucky?

I gave the analogy of a pedophile for a reason, because if you want to defend someone with just that one little problem of asking random people to watch him wank outside of an intimate situation, then there's clearly something wrong with that, and just like a pedophile, that needs to be dealt with in some way.

I have no idea what Louis CKs punishment should be, not a clue, I don't know if it's overblown or exaggerated.

What I do know, and what I can see, is people minimising the damage because they feel sorry for a guy who got "unlucky" (I guess his c*** just fell in to his hand) doing something that he got "consent" for (from women who thought he was joking).

Like let's just remove the media furore, and pretend this got zero attention, let's pretend someone posted that this came out on Twitter and Louis admitted it, and nobody cared, and for some reason it came up on this forum.

Would you think it's fucked up then?

It isn't a big deal. Rape is a big deal. Any form of sexual assault is a big deal. ASKING to masturbate someone and then them likely accepting or not saying no isn't a big deal. Plenty of people have done things just as inappropriate and nothing happened, because they're good looking and don't have money or status to leverage off of. Why is this only coming out when Louis is at his peak, with a TV show and a movie coming out? Because it's opportunistic bullshit. To quote Hillary Clinton, it's a big nothingburger.

I would think its fucked up and recommend women be careful around the guy and that he should show an effort to change and apologise, but it isn't a HUGE the deal that some are pretending, it's just easier to leverage off the Weinstein situation right now which is a hell of a lot bigger and more legitimate to make it seem that way.

He did get unlucky. It's an incident in which he likely had consent to do and there is no legitimate infringement on the rights or personal wellbeing of the women involved. They could have walked out and left. He is only getting butchered because its such a hot topic right now to roast men for anything and everything, whether it is right or not.

I don't know of any friends and haven't seen anyone I know that has engaged in sexual harassment or assault of any form, and yet I have personally been sexually assaulted by women once every few months.
Literally been accused of being gay because I wouldn't let a drunk girl suck me off in the car while driving her and a friend home. Also like I said in the last month I saw a woman outright lie about getting sexually assaulted. It is f*****g luck and people give women the benefit of the doubt, but never men, and its f*****g disgusting and hypocritical. No one cares about the facts when a guy is a accused, when its a man assaulted they're happy to use double standards.

 

[rclark]

Gwenneth Paltrow, who isn't the only pretty actress in Hollywood, complains about being harassed.

She has a very successful career. Am I the only one thinking she must have "put out" to get other movie roles?

If I made good money like that, I would put up with being sexually harassed.

 

[SmoothSailing]

The consent was given because they thought he was joking.

The idea of asking someone if they want to watch you wank, outside of an intimate situation or their interest in doing so, that is in principle similarly as wrong as masturbating in front of children.

I agree with most you say, but not this.

First of all asking someone is a completely different thing than just doing it.

Secondly, wanking in front of children is completely different to wanking in front on consenting adults, it's just a whole completely different thing. It's hard for me to even see your side here. Children can't consent, children don't understand and might be badly traumatized, adults having sexual feelings for children is very very wrong.

I believe you are treating these women as if they were children.

"Can I wank in front of you"

- presumes it's a joke "yeah haha".

-starts pulling out c***

"wow hold on their I don't really want to see you wank", or you know, just walk away.

Now look I understand that I might not understand how hard this would be for these particular women, at this particular time. But I can't help but looking at this from a practical point of view and considering it quite ridiculous.

Just to be sure I'll reiterate I lost respect for Louis for this and consider what he done wrong and extremely weird. I just think people need a bit of perspective, especially if you're comparing this to wanking in front of children.

 

[JeanLucBB]

Gwenneth Paltrow, who isn't the only pretty actress in Hollywood, complains about being harassed.

She has a very successful career. Am I the only one thinking she must have "put out" to get other movie roles?

If I made good money like that, I would put up with being sexually harassed.

And this is another thing, when women are looking at a f*****g contract from Weinstein Company that literally says sexual misconduct with Weinstein is waivered if they accept a payout and yet they sign it, do they have ZERO responsibility for not seeing the implications that sexual misconduct might occur? Why are they being treated like children here? Why the f*** are the lawyers who drew up the contract, Weinstein company, the women and their managers who looked at it not responsible too?

No woman HAD to suck a dick for a career worth tens of millions of dollars, they could have just as easily got a normal job just like 99.9% of the rest of the population.

Admittedly Paltrow is a great actress though, it isn't fair to suggest that this is the only thing that kept her career going, and same with other actresses. Weinstein and other producers aren't the only ones with influence in casting.

 

[JeanLucBB]

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Who wouldn't let this guy masturbate in front of them

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

If you knew a friend who said "so lol I whipped my c*** out and started beating at it" you'd think he was fucked in the head and would either insist on him getting help, or forget about him.

It seems to be a common fetish among Hollywood men.

I had never heard of this before. I brought this up on a forum with a lot of women, and they told me that a lot of women have had men randomly do this to them on the subway.

 

[Rudiger]

It isn't a big deal. Rape is a big deal. Any form of sexual assault is a big deal. ASKING to masturbate someone and then them likely accepting or not saying no isn't a big deal. Plenty of people have done things just as inappropriate and nothing happened, because they're good looking and don't have money or status to leverage off of. Why is this only coming out when Louis is at his peak, with a TV show and a movie coming out? Because it's opportunistic bullshit. To quote Hillary Clinton, it's a big nothingburger.

I would think its fucked up and recommend women be careful around the guy and that he should show an effort to change and apologise, but it isn't a HUGE the deal that some are pretending, it's just easier to leverage off the Weinstein situation right now which is a hell of a lot bigger and more legitimate to make it seem that way.

He did get unlucky. It's an incident in which he likely had consent to do and there is no legitimate infringement on the rights or personal wellbeing of the women involved. They could have walked out and left. He is only getting butchered because its such a hot topic right now to roast men for anything and everything, whether it is right or not.

I don't know of any friends and haven't seen anyone I know that has engaged in sexual harassment or assault of any form, and yet I have personally been sexually assaulted by women once every few months.
Literally been accused of being gay because I wouldn't let a drunk girl suck me off in the car while driving her and a friend home. Also like I said in the last month I saw a woman outright lie about getting sexually assaulted. It is f*****g luck and people give women the benefit of the doubt, but never men, and its f*****g disgusting and hypocritical. No one cares about the facts when a guy is a accused, when its a man assaulted they're happy to use double standards.

Again I don't know if it's overblown or whatever, I don't disagree he shouldn't be ruined by it, but the reaction of it not being a big deal? Nah brah, and you just Liked David's post saying it's common. This is exactly why it has to be a big deal, people like you play it down as nothing and it becomes commonplace.

In Japan they have a huge problem with men masturbating on to women on trains (normally sleeping women, often young girls) and this is what's propogated when we act like this was just a dopey guy giving in to his urges, lol who cares?!

Women should be held to the exact same standards, if you have a problem with that (which I do as well) then it's separate from the issue.

Your argument is basically boiling down to "let men off with sexual misconduct because women get away with it" well where's that getting us exactly?! Women can feel they get away with it even more, when both sexes should be punished.

I agree with most you say, but not this.

First of all asking someone is a completely different thing than just doing it.

Secondly, wanking in front of children is completely different to wanking in front on consenting adults, it's just a whole completely different thing. It's hard for me to even see your side here. Children can't consent, children don't understand and might be badly traumatized, adults having sexual feelings for children is very very wrong.

I believe you are treating these women as if they were children.

"Can I wank in front of you"

- presumes it's a joke "yeah haha".

-starts pulling out c***

"wow hold on their I don't really want to see you wank", or you know, just walk away.

Now look I understand that I might not understand how hard this would be for these particular women, at this particular time. But I can't help but looking at this from a practical point of view and considering it quite ridiculous.

Just to be sure I'll reiterate I lost respect for Louis for this and consider what he done wrong and extremely weird. I just think people need a bit of perspective, especially if you're comparing this to wanking in front of children.

I don't know what the South Park thing is but are you doubting that when a renowned dirty comic offers to whip out his c***, women may think he's joking?

I see how you saw the rest playing out. I mean we're all guessing at exactly what transpired and how these women reacted, how they or the media fit the current narrative, possibly they weren't traumatized at all, possibly they laughed it off and one of them is pretending it put her out of comedy.

But by saying you agree with most of what I'm saying but disagreeing on the "asking" part, well the asking part is pretty much all I'm saying. That's like 90% of my argument.

I'm not conflating the act with pedophilia I'm contrasting the idea of it being just one little thing that's wrong with a man, so let's downplay it. That's exactly how a defense of powerful pedophiles works.

 

[SmoothSailing]

But by saying you agree with most of what I'm saying but disagreeing on the "asking" part, well the asking part is pretty much all I'm saying. That's like 90% of my argument.

Ok, I disagree with 90% of your argument then.

To give an analogy, which obviously goes to the extreme, if an ugly old guy randomly asks an 18 year old for sex (in a similar situation as Louis was in), it's weird, creepy and wrong, yet a completely different ball game to someone who doesn't ask and just does. A completely different level of wrongness. So the fact that he asked makes a huge difference to how I feel about the situation, do you agree?

And I agree, it's weird to ask, but I disagree, it's not nearly as weird as whipping out your dick in front of kids (which you seem to have retracted).

"The idea of asking someone if they want to watch you wank, outside of an intimate situation or their interest in doing so, that is in principle similarly as wrong as masturbating in front of children."

 

[rclark]

Just because somebody in Hollywood claims to be sexually harassed, doesn't make it true.

Also, it doesn't mean they aren't doing it for other reasons (dead career, money, etc).

Take Goerge Takei, for example. He was accused of sexually harassing a male model in 1981.

Takei was married for a long time to his manager. He was very vocal and active in Los Angelos subway development
since 1979 - 1980s, and involved in promoting a political figure around that time. In other words, he was highly visible.

I think the models claims are 100% pure bullshit. I also think that, Gwynneth is probably telling the truth, other
accusors are not.

And I think "victims" who extort and take money for not saying anything in public, should just SHUT THE f*** UP!

I'm sorry, but in the case of Cosby, some of those women were paid millions, or thousands over the course of years.

That should take back the right to sue. To some degree, that makes Cosby a victim, even if he did do the wrong thing.

He should get prison time, not black mailed.

 

[Rudiger]

Ok, I disagree with 90% of your argument then.

To give an analogy, which obviously goes to the extreme, if an ugly old guy randomly asks an 18 year old for sex (in a similar situation as Louis was in), it's weird, creepy and wrong, yet a completely different ball game to someone who doesn't ask and just does. A completely different level of wrongness. So the fact that he asked makes a huge difference to how I feel about the situation, do you agree?

And I agree, it's weird to ask, but I disagree, it's not nearly as weird as whipping out your dick in front of kids (which you seem to have retracted).

"The idea of asking someone if they want to watch you wank, outside of an intimate situation or their interest in doing so, that is in principle similarly as wrong as masturbating in front of children."

I got a bit confused between you and others, was your earlier argument that it's just a problem with a part of him that needs treated?

Again, I'm really not getting in to just how bad it is on the wrongness scale, and to what extent it should ruin him, I'm talking about downplaying what he did just because the reaction was so extreme.

So my point is if it's just a small part of him well then pedophilia is just a small part of lots of people. Let's not pretend it's nothing, even if it's an overblown reaction (again, I don't really know if it is) then don't pretend this is no big deal or a small part of someone.

I haven't retracted anything my point hasn't changed- whether it's weirdly asking to masturbate in front of someone, or whipping your dick out to a kid, neither of these things can be downplayed as just a small part of someone's character and somewhat swept under the rug. You seem to keep going back to the level of wrongness like it's different degrees of murder, but it's the principle of actions and their intent, and defense of actions, that's what I'm getting at.

 

[rclark]

If Bill Cosby's accusers didn't miss their pay checks, for black mailing him, they probably wouldn't come forward.

Think about it, this is decades later. Now that he's bald and broken, and has no money, they come after him.

It was the lack of money that made them angry.

Same with Mike Tyson. He had to pay millions in fees to this female model who met with him after meeting him
at a party.

Think about it. She gets millions for claiming rape.

That's an INSULT TO REAL RAPE VICTIMS.

If people who committed these crimes got LONG PRISON sentences instead of PAYING MONEY TO VICTIMS,
I believe less "victims" would come forward.

And I feel sorry for women who are taken advantage of, and are true victims.

 

[JeanLucBB]

The following example proves that even if you're a GQ worthy model/Actor, Your career would be finnished just as quickly as a bald mans...

"FILE - In this Jan. 6, 2016 file photo, Ed Westwick arrives at the People's Choice Awards in Los Angeles. Westwick is accused of sexual assault. The BBC pulled an Agatha Christie adaptation from its television schedule and halted production on a second sitcom starring the "Gossip Girl' actor. Los Angeles police are investigating. He denies the allegations. Photo by Jordan Strauss"


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Except looking at his credits he's had 2 large TV series roles and a miniseries role + a reasonable film role in 2017. Nothing great but doesn't look like his career took a huge hit.

 

[SmoothSailing]

I got a bit confused between you and others, was your earlier argument that it's just a problem with a part of him that needs treated?

No must be someone else.

So my point is if it's just a small part of him well then pedophilia is just a small part of lots of people. Let's not pretend it's nothing, even if it's an overblown reaction (again, I don't really know if it is) then don't pretend this is no big deal or a small part of someone.

I haven't retracted anything my point hasn't changed- whether it's weirdly asking to masturbate in front of someone, or whipping your dick out to a kid, neither of these things can be downplayed as just a small part of someone's character and somewhat swept under the rug. You seem to keep going back to the level of wrongness like it's different degrees of murder, but it's the principle of actions and their intent, and defense of actions, that's what I'm getting at.

Yeah ok you're talking about something completely different. I actually don't know what you're talking about tbh.

I agree with this statement though.

"whether it's weirdly asking to masturbate in front of someone, or whipping your dick out to a kid, neither of these things can be downplayed as just a small part of someone's character and somewhat swept under the rug."

 

[JeanLucBB]

I got a bit confused between you and others, was your earlier argument that it's just a problem with a part of him that needs treated?

Again, I'm really not getting in to just how bad it is on the wrongness scale, and to what extent it should ruin him, I'm talking about downplaying what he did just because the reaction was so extreme.

So my point is if it's just a small part of him well then pedophilia is just a small part of lots of people. Let's not pretend it's nothing, even if it's an overblown reaction (again, I don't really know if it is) then don't pretend this is no big deal or a small part of someone.

I haven't retracted anything my point hasn't changed- whether it's weirdly asking to masturbate in front of someone, or whipping your dick out to a kid, neither of these things can be downplayed as just a small part of someone's character and somewhat swept under the rug. You seem to keep going back to the level of wrongness like it's different degrees of murder, but it's the principle of actions and their intent, and defense of actions, that's what I'm getting at.

You're acting as if everything is black and white and context doesn't matter. Spoiler alert: they aren't and it does.

"Weird", "inappropriate" or making someone uncomfortable are a mile away from infringing on someones rights , genuinely harming them or coercing them into doing something they don't want to.

It's not nothing, It's just not even as bad as cheating on a partner or stealing from someone. It was whipping out a dick with consent when they could have said no or just left (at least that's what the facts we know seem to suggest). It's "wow that's weird and he should apologise and do something about it because he has a problem" but no more than that.

The Japan thing is not with consent, the Louis thing likely is with consent, its just that they didn't enjoy it or want it.

 

[JeanLucBB]

The thread implied that being bald meant being more likely to be accused of assault... and as I said, it doesn't matter. I still do.

Nice moving the goal posts and deciding EXACTLY what the thread is about because apparently you're the arbiter of truth here. You said "his career is finished" despite being good looking and having hair, clearly it didn't on the evidence and he's fine. Your comment was inaccurate and doesn't support your point, end of story.

 

[Rudiger]

No must be someone else.



Yeah ok you're talking about something completely different. I actually don't know what you're talking about tbh.

I agree with this statement though.

"whether it's weirdly asking to masturbate in front of someone, or whipping your dick out to a kid, neither of these things can be downplayed as just a small part of someone's character and somewhat swept under the rug."

I also don't know what you're talking about as I feel like I already addressed everything twice including how wrong it is so I guess I'll just requote myself.

The idea of asking someone if they want to watch you wank, outside of an intimate situation or their interest in doing so, that is in principle similarly as wrong as masturbating in front of children.

It's not as bad on the "wrong-scale" but if we are to stand by that principle then fine, but that to me is the same as not vilifying the actions of pedophiles or anyone who commits harmful acts because "they just behaved like a stupid kid".

This is not a f*****g stupid kid we're talking about, and he was aware of his position of power at that time. If you're going to go down that road then we can start defending pedophilia too, as far as I see.

A fully functioning intelligent adult just has one vice which is specifically to ask to masturbate in front of other adults at random? Right so.

 

[JeanLucBB]

I also don't know what you're talking about as I feel like I already addressed everything twice including how wrong it is so I guess I'll just requote myself.

You addressed it, it's just that your arguments here are poor, overly emotional and driven by too much pathos not enough logos.