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@David_MPN, did you test you Cu blood levels? Many would be surprised to find they are not really deficient in a lot of nutrients the supplement for.
type 2 diabetes is fat/BMI related
the vegans has the lowest BMI and the lowest type 2 diabetes.
insulin resistance improved with low fat vegan diet
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2677007/
why do you think the chinese have lower diabetes than the USA ? carbs are their staple food, the USA's staple food is animal fat.
walter kempner treated diabetes with rice and pure white sugar. it was well known back then that fat paralyses insulin.
* about those high-fat low carb studies, most of them are backed by the meat/egg/milk giant trillion dollar industries.
* the video is the most logical way to explain it, and it's what science says. do you think that you know better than DR. Neal Barnard the founding president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine ?
@David_MPN, did you test you Cu blood levels? Many would be surprised to find they are not really deficient in a lot of nutrients the supplement for.
most of the corn and soy is for animal consumption (animal agriculture)
no one is more powerful than the meat/dairy boards, these motherfuckers are the reason why the medical litterature is toilet paper.
- In the U.S., 70% of the grain grown is fed to animals on feedlots (“Plants, Genes, and Agriculture” by Jones and Bartlet)
Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/
sugar is bad, maybe, but not starch.
whole foods plant based diets are what the science is recommending, it's the only diet that reversed arteriosclerosis.
(see Caldwell Esselstyn, Dean Ornish)
all this hight fat keto crap is just bloggers selling books, there is no academic debate at all.
big meat is going to try to twist the science more than big tobacco.
human civilisations lived on starch and no animal foods, the ordinary people were the slimmest and the healthiest, the kings who
ate animal products were historically fat, and died of heart disease (the disease of the kings).
europe : wheat
asia : rice
south america : potatoes and corn
kings : beef and chicken.
I did a 3 day water fast a few weeks ago, and I asked Lisa than I have in a long time. Since then it's been normal. It's probably just a coincidence. I'm doing another fast in a couple weeks, so we'll see.
I wouldn't supplement with copper. Maca powder is a dried vegetable. It's like eating more broccoli for vitamin C, it's not the same as buying a vitamin C tablet.
Who's Lisa?
Is she the girlfriend that autocorrect made up for you?
I fast a whole month every year, and I always notice way less shedding and better overall health during that period.
linking to irrelevant work, and ignoring pertinent work such as The New York Times investigation.
I'll point out that "kings" ate high-sugar diets, probably high alcohol and low exercise as well, but that it's not necessarily relevant, as the "ordinary people" (who also ate meat) were not nearly as healthy as you make them out to be. Rates of heart disease and cancer were low because they died young. If I were to be killed in a war tomorrow, I would be recorded as having never experienced heart disease, atherosclerosis, or cancer.
irrelevant work ? so you think that Dean Ornish the president and founder of the nonprofit Preventive Medicine Research Institute (one of bill clinton's doctors) is irrelevant ?
what about Dr Kim Williams the vegan President of the American College of Cardiology ? is he also a clueless liar ?
* eating high carb low fat will keep your BMI low, carbs get stored as glycogen in the muscles and the liver, then if you take too much of it, de novo lipogenesis turn some of it to fat , but that's rare (look at all those fat fruitarians and asians ! )
* eating high fat low carb is not always BMI friendly, because if the fat you eat is animal fat then the animal protein will raise your insulin and the insulin will store the fat. YOU WILL gain weight if you're eating more than your caloric needs. and it's also unhealthy IMO but that's not the topic.
* eating high fat high carb will give you the USA health epidemic.
I'm not sure if I should try addressing you in an intellectual, level-headed way, or just assume that you're trolling and spoiling for a fight. I don't know you well. You're using a lot of boldings and capital letters, and worst of all ignoring counterarguments, which are standard troll behaviours. But maybe it's innocent, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume I'm misreading you. I think that other readers may prefer it this way.
1) You describe Dean Ornish as the president of a non-profit. That might apply that he's doing this from the goodness of his heart, I believe that contributes. But don't worry he's definitely a wealthy man who makes money from his books, his public speaking, etc. I'm sure his salary dwarfs both of ours. I don't begrudge him for that, if he's making a positive contribution to the world he deserves to be well paid, but please don't mislead by describing him as working in the non-profit sector.
it is still true, whole foods plant based diets are the only diets that has been proven to reverse plaque building in the arteries.His most famous book is called "Dr. Dean Ornish's Program for Reversing Heart Disease: The Only System Scientifically Proven to Reverse Heart Disease Without Drugs or Surgery". That title was true in the 1990s, it's no longer true.
In the early 2000s, doctors tested the ketogenic diet in order to refute it. They wanted to shut down the bodybuilders and Atkins fanatics promoting it. The studies failed and participants on the high-fat diets did really well, to the surprise of everybody. All of their biological parameters improved including cholesterol and blood pressure. Here's a study from the New England Journal of Medicine:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1204792
That said the Atkins diet has fallen out of favour. It has a lot of issues, among which a lot of "Atkins" products include artificial sweeteners and are as such nonsense. There are many ways for food to be bad for you besides macronutrients, such as vitamins content, minerals content, added preservatives, etc. A lot of meat in the supermarket comes with added sugars, MSG, nitrates, hormones, antibiotics, etc and as such should be avoided. I go for the healthiest meats I can find.
2) Dr. Kim Williams is working on outdated data, such as the 7-countries study from the 1950s and the studies funded by coca cola (which you have failed to acknowledged).
Dr. Salim Yusuf, president of the world heart federation, recently discussed the largest epidemiological study ever and heart disease:
Monosaturated fats protect against heart disease, legumes (beans) protect against heart disease, but saturated fats, fruits, and vegetables are neutral. They neither protect nor harm. Further, when carbohydrate consumption goes above 40% of total calories, the rate of heart disease goes up. That's possibly because most people on high-carb diets are actually on high-sugar diets.
white rice is not that different from sugar, so i put my money on the burgers.3) Asians are getting fatter now that they've added both meat and sugar to their diets. You absolutely cannot simply say that it's the meat and not the sugar, it's not at all obvious which is contributing how much. Further, as above, I acknowledge that processed meat is sh*t.
eat what the countries with the lowest diabetes are eating, corn and yams are the staple food in Benin for example,I think a high-starch diet is fine for a healthy person, there are many groups that have done well historically on a high-starch diet. However, if someone already has low insulin resistance, and they want to lose weight, then they will need to cut carbs (and animal proteins) for a while, until they're healed. Then they can reintroduce starch.
I myself have dropped from 240 lbs to 170 lbs in two years. I am now buying bread again (in moderation), I think my body can handle it. However, when I was heavier, bread just made me hungrier. Once you have insulin resistance, then starches are bad because the body loses the ability to process carbs normally.
correlation =/= causation, also i will never believe that americans are eating less meat, it's the contrary, animal agriculture made it very cheap.5) The US obesity epidemic coincides with a decline in animal fat consumption. Butter, bacon, egg yolks went out; fruit juice, whole grains, skim milk, low-fat yogurt came in, and people got fatter.
You are also dismissing world-renowned researchers, from Yusuf to Ludwig. Most particularly, you are dismissing the ones using more recent data, and more sophisticated analyses. Nutritional agencies around the world are removing saturated fat and cholesterol from their list of dietary guidelines.whatever, just stop dismissing world renowned researchers just because they're telling you you're wrong. (the majority of them actually)
Whole free-range eggs with a side of broccoli on day A; a filet of wild-caught salmon with a side of asparagus on day B; grassfed beef brisket simmered in olive oil, garlic and herbs with a side of sweet potatoes on day 3; and so on.what would you feed your mother who just got a heart attack ? egg yolks or broccoli ?
Because the majority of doctors were educated in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s and learned incorrect nutrition. However, those who have kept up with new research, or who are being educated now, would not usually advise against healthy animal products such as grassfed beef and wild-caught salmon.there is a reason the vast majority of doctors around the world will recommend the greens and will tell her to stop animal products.
I don't know of anybody does this.i don't read about heart disease from meat/egg boards.
Coca cola is the largest player in the food industry, it dwarfs the meat/eggs boards. The research they fund says fats are bad.he's not running trillion dollar industries, the probability of him being full of sh*t is lower than the meat/dairy/egg boards.
so i'll take his word over theirs.
You are contradicting yourself, on the one hand you base your position on epidemiology, on the other hand you're saying that you're opposed to epidemiology.epidemiology is not the best way to do heart health research, everyone has a different baseline cholesterol levels.
eat what the countries with the lowest diabetes are eating, corn and yams are the staple food in Benin for example,
you don't gain fat on a low fat diet, that's why all the fruitarians and the vegans are thin and has the lowest diabetes.
correlation =/= causation, also i will never believe that americans are eating less meat, it's the contrary, animal agriculture made it very cheap.
Rice is different from sugar:white rice is not that different from sugar, so i put my money on the burgers.
That was mainstream science in 1995.dietary saturated fat and cholesterol raises serum cholesterol, and cholesterol is the only necessary risk factor to develop plaque in the arteries.
this is mainstream science.
the Lipid hypothesis deniers are a minority.You are also dismissing world-renowned researchers, from Yusuf to Ludwig. Most particularly, you are dismissing the ones using more recent data, and more sophisticated analyses. Nutritional agencies around the world are removing saturated fat and cholesterol from their list of dietary guidelines.
From Ramsden (2016):
Available evidence from randomized controlled trials shows that replacement of saturated fat with linoleic acid effectively lowers serum cholesterol but does not support the hypothesis that this translates to a lower risk of death from coronary heart disease or all causes
As I said and acknowledged, a lot of the data from 1950-2000 or so largely supported the low-fat pro-vegan ideology, which was largely due to the 7-countries study. This has reversed in the past 15 years with more sophisticated analyses that distinguish between different kinds of fats, different kinds of carbs, and larger epidemiological and cohort studies. You're dismissing of epidemiological studies is unimpressive, as the bulk of your argument is based on epidemiological studies.
Back in the 1990s, there was a "French paradox" that some might recall, researchers had no idea how it was that the French had a low BMI, a low rate of heart disease, and ate a ton of saturated fat. Now we know: there's nothing wrong with saturated fat. We also know that the French ate fewer added sugars.
LDL<70 = no CADBecause the majority of doctors were educated in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s and learned incorrect nutrition. However, those who have kept up with new research, or who are being educated now, would not usually advise against healthy animal products such as grassfed beef and wild-caught salmon.
meat/dairy/egg industries together might be the richest industry in the world.Coca cola is the largest player in the food industry, it dwarfs the meat/eggs boards. The research they fund says fats are bad.
only on cholesterol intake and serum levels.You are contradicting yourself, on the one hand you base your position on epidemiology, on the other hand you're saying that you're opposed to epidemiology.
i'm talking about BMI and diabetesVegans are healthy because they're upper-middle class white people who don't smoke. It's no different from people on the paleo diet being equally or more healthy.
i was talking about diabetes, benin has the lowest diabetes in the world.By the way the people of Benin are not healthy. They are ranked 177th in the world for life expectancy. The reason they might have low rates of heart disease is that they die young, prior to getting heart disease.
life expectency is something else. you can die from infections despite having perfect arteries.The 10 countries in the world with the highest life expectancy are Hong Kong, Japan, Italy, Switzerland, Singapore, Iceland, Spain, Australia, Israel, and Sweden. There's a lot of meat eaten in those countries.
i meant compared to meat.Rice is different from sugar:
- In rice, 10% of the calories are from fat and protein.
- Also included are noticeable quantities of thiamin, niacin, folic acid, iron, managense, and selenium.
- Further, the sugar in white rice is all glucose, there's no fructose. Fructose is a different chemical from glucose, it goes to the liver, which has no option but to turn it into fat, usually fat around the organs and the abdomen. That is totally different from glucose, which can be used as energy. Our ancestors ate very little fructose so it wasn't an issue for them, they also ate more fiber.
HDL cholesterol, the good cholesterol, is increased by saturated fats.
LDL cholesterol is a composite variable. The "bad" kind is VLDL cholesterol, a subset of LDL cholesterol. Your body is more likely to make it when you eat fructose. This has been explained by Robert Lustig, one of the top researchers in the field.
the Lipid hypothesis deniers are a minority.
well they didn't lower it enough, because we know that humans don't develope arteriosclerosis with LDL <70 mg/dl
and that with LDL > 75 it does.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15172426
Optimal low-density lipoprotein is 50 to 70 mg/dl: lower is better and physiologically normal.
Abstract
The normal low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol range is 50 to 70 mg/dl for native hunter-gatherers, healthy human neonates, free-living primates, and other wild mammals (all of whom do not develop atherosclerosis). Randomized trial data suggest atherosclerosis progression and coronary heart disease events are minimized when LDL is lowered to <70 mg/dl. No major safety concerns have surfaced in studies that lowered LDL to this range of 50 to 70 mg/dl. The current guidelines setting the target LDL at 100 to 115 mg/dl may lead to substantial undertreatment in high-risk individuals.
*humans are primates, if you keep your LDL within primates levels you will not get CAD.
LDL<70 = no CAD, that's all you need to know.
and i only dismiss epidemiolofical CAD studies for a good reason.
LDL<70 = no CAD
dietary cholesterol raises serum cholesterol :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9006469
meat/dairy/egg industries together might be the richest industry in the world.
only on cholesterol intake and serum levels.
i'm talking about BMI and diabetes
i was talking about diabetes, benin has the lowest diabetes in the world.
life expectency is something else. you can die from infections despite having perfect arteries.
i meant compared to meat.
dietary cholesterol raises serum LDL:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9006469
395 dietary experiments confirmes this