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lol You dislike my post after I help you out. I should've told you to use ethanol as a vehicle so you'd kill it. ;)
I can use distilled water and lactoferrin. Is the elder brother who uses lactoferrin recovered? Where is a step back?
 

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lol You dislike my post after I help you out. I should've told you to use ethanol as a vehicle so you'd kill it. ;)
I can use distilled water and lactoferrin. Is the elder brother who uses lactoferrin recovered? Where is a step back?
 

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lol This guy lost substantial ground. The second pic is his before pic. The first pic is a month later. He is trying to avoid proven treatments and receding hard.
Why do you want to lie? He's improving, but you say he's retreating. You're wrong.
 

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Huh?

Anyway, If that guy's pictures are out of order then he may have gotten some regrowth. Looking at them again though the angle is different, and the light is hitting differently so I can't tell if there's actually a difference or not. At first glance the second pic looks worse. I doubt he got any regrowth from the lactoferrin. Orally it won't do anything, and topically I doubt it will reach the follicle very well even with microneedling. It's a large protein, and you'd probably need to inject it. That is why using proteins never became a thing on here. Nobody is going to inject them into their scalp, or waste money on something expensive that will only be 10% absorbed. Histogen injects IGF-1 and all sorts of other growth factors, and yet they aren't curing anyone. Now if you want to take this and mix up a cocktail along with VEGF, FGF9, FGF10, Wnt7a and inject it all over your scalp then you'll probably get some good results.
The second picture is obviously better than the first one. Even if you don't see it, it has been used for more than 8 months.
You can see in his introduction that he is partial lactoferrin.
 

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Huh?

Anyway, If that guy's pictures are out of order then he may have gotten some regrowth. Looking at them again though the angle is different, and the light is hitting differently so I can't tell if there's actually a difference or not. At first glance the second pic looks worse. I doubt he got any regrowth from the lactoferrin. Orally it won't do anything, and topically I doubt it will reach the follicle very well even with microneedling. It's a large protein, and you'd probably need to inject it. That is why using proteins never became a thing on here. Nobody is going to inject them into their scalp, or waste money on something expensive that will only be 10% absorbed. Histogen injects IGF-1 and all sorts of other growth factors, and yet they aren't curing anyone. Now if you want to take this and mix up a cocktail along with VEGF, FGF9, FGF10, Wnt7a and inject it all over your scalp then you'll probably get some good results.
That post is full of lactoferrin for external useThat post is full of lactoferrin for external use
 

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Sorry, I meant the second picture looks better at first glance. He said the second picture is the before pic.;)

Anyways, good luck to you. I just think you're wasting your time.
This person, using lactoferrin external solution, the second picture is 2020, the first picture is 2019, he also did not use finasteride or dutasteride. Isn't that progress?
 

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the wnt pathway is stimulated before the hedgehog pathway. In another embodiment, the two pathways are stimulated in an overlapping fashion. In another embodiment, the two pathways are stimulated simultaneously.

At 25 and 45 days after wound induction, wound sites contained new hairs (FIG. 11, left and right panels, respectively). New hairs appeared to lack pigmentation, except when the wnt pathway was inhibited, using Dkk-1 (Dickkopf-1) during the first nine days after wounding (see Example 10).

In other experiments, continued expression of Dkk1 after the 9-day period inhibited formation of new HF.

21 day-old mice were wounded as described in previous Examples. Starting from day 11 after wounding, a time point corresponding to the point at which the wound had recently reepithelialized, 10 μL of 1 μg/ml EGF was injected into the wound bed. EGF was injected once per day after this point for a total of 5 days. Three days later, the skin was collected, and whole-mount EDIHN assays were performed. EGF prevented HF formation as assessed by gross morphology. In addition, whole mounts of control and treated skin were analyzed with anti-K17 antibody immunostaining. All mice injected with EGF (n=4) exhibited no new HF formation. while control mice (n=2) had many new HF, as expected.


https://patents.justia.com/patent/20200101000
 
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What good EGF inhibitors can be applied to the scalp or are injections preferred?
 

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We won’t likely get unpigmented hairs like mice.

PIGMENTATION
Why do you think that would be the case?

Most of my Wounding + MIN induced regrowth looks unpigmented indeed
(though it probably is more overgrown vellus rather than neogenesis):

New-Velus-Temples--c11s.jpg
 
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I was asking about WAY-262611. Is there a dosage for that? Curious as you are.

How do you séquence these?

Wounding (follica method every other week) >

shh agonist PWD1 > SAG 0.15% twice a month?

EGFR inhibitor PWD1-PWD15 > what is it ???

DiKK iinhibitorfrom PWD10 (WAY-262611) > ???

PGE2 from PWD10 > ???

17β-Estradiol 6mg day >

anti-androgens (e.g. dutasteride, RU, spironolactone, bica) > Bica 50mg daily RU 5%

minoxidil 5mg twice a day > oral only

Stenox WAY-316606 > 1% daily
 

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I'm strongly considering using selective ERβ agonist Erteberel too instead of estradiol. Not only does it get around the problem of estrogen-induced cancer and gyno, it should be a more effective promoter of hair growth. I'm just not certain that we don't also need ERα activation. Estradiol is the sure bet for getting regrowth, but Erteberel could be the jackpot. @InBeforeTheCure Do you have any thoughts on the importance of ERα vs ERβ?

ERa Vs ERb
Considering your expertise & join date, you are probably aware of this -
but just in case you are not, @IdealForehead has written a solid analysis thread covering most of your questions:

- the Estrogen receptors,
- their role in Hairloss / (Re)growth,
- the ones we should therefore Agonize (i.e. ERb), and
- the Agonists he recommends (i.e. Estriol, S-Equol etc.);

You can check it all out here:
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...trogen-promote-and-hinder-hair-growth.113077/
 
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I'm going to add ketoconazole shampoo too. Might as well. It inhibits 11β-HSD. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5653486/

KETOCONAZOLE
Beside the point you mention (which I didn't check), I believe the 2% Shampoo should be part of every regimen, because:

- NO EFFORT - just replace your regular Shampoo;
- IT WORKS - plenty of study-based Evidence (and anecdotes):
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...eam-2-vs-nizoral-shampoo.105066/#post-1471668
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...ike-prince-william.111390/page-3#post-1612291

Edit: https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...ctive-oral-anti-androgen.109041/#post-1561125
- IT'S SAFE - doesn't go Systemic:
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...-cyp17a-cyp17a1-thoughts.110402/#post-1591332

I would add that - to the contrary of what most recommend - for best results it should probably be used DAILY and together with the 2% Keto CREAM (I do so), because
"...3x/week is for fungal infections. For hair you want daily. Use conditioner if your hair/scalp gets too dry. Obviously the cream will be much more effective though since it's on your scalp 24/7."

https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...ike-prince-william.111390/page-4#post-1612314
 
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I'm going to add ketoconazole shampoo too. Might as well. It inhibits 11β-HSD. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5653486/

I'm strongly considering using selective ERβ agonist Erteberel too instead of estradiol. Not only does it get around the problem of estrogen-induced cancer and gyno, it should be a more effective promoter of hair growth. I'm just not certain that we don't also need ERα activation. Estradiol is the sure bet for getting regrowth, but Erteberel could be the jackpot. @InBeforeTheCure Do you have any thoughts on the importance of ERα vs ERβ?

ER-beta is more prominent in human hair follicles (see especially Fig. 3), so while I don't know for sure I'd lean toward beta being more important.

As for erteberel, was hair regrowth ever reported as a side effect in trials?
 

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KETOCONAZOLE
Beside the point you mention (which I didn't check), I believe the 2% Shampoo should be part of every regimen, because:

- NO EFFORT - just replace your regular Shampoo;
- IT WORKS - plenty of study-based Evidence (and anecdotes):
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...eam-2-vs-nizoral-shampoo.105066/#post-1471668
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...ike-prince-william.111390/page-3#post-1612291

Edit: https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...ctive-oral-anti-androgen.109041/#post-1561125
- IT'S SAFE - doesn't go Systemic:
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...-cyp17a-cyp17a1-thoughts.110402/#post-1591332

I would add that - to the contrary of what most recommend - for best results it should probably be used DAILY and together with the 2% Keto CREAM (I do so), because
"...3x/week is for fungal infections. For hair you want daily. Use conditioner if your hair/scalp gets too dry. Obviously the cream will be much more effective though since it's on your scalp 24/7."

https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...ike-prince-william.111390/page-4#post-1612314

What's a good source for shampoo & cream 2%? The stuff on amzn is 1% in the US
 
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