Putting Aside Cash For Unborn Child's Hair Plugs

[frankwhite]

So I know there must be a few forum members that plan to have kids someday (not trying to trigger anyone).

Given how shitty balding is and that it's a genetic condition, has anyone thought about starting a norwood fund once they have kids? Seriously. At 17 or 18, wouldn't you rather have a hair transplant or tsuji or whatever than a degree?

I don't plan to start a dedicated fund, but I do intend to pay for treatment (and I would not fund a hair transplant in lieu of education). Wonder how mental the average woman would think you are if you brought this up to a financial advisor or accountant

 

[HankPentagon]

So I know there must be a few forum members that plan to have kids someday (not trying to trigger anyone).

Given how shitty balding is and that it's a genetic condition, has anyone thought about starting a norwood fund once they have kids? Seriously. At 17 or 18, wouldn't you rather have a hair transplant or tsuji or whatever than a degree?

I don't plan to start a dedicated fund, but I do intend to pay for treatment (and I would not fund a hair transplant in lieu of education). Wonder how mental the average woman would think you are if you brought this up to a financial advisor or accountant

Why not

Better to have hair than a college fund

 

[WMQ]

Why do you even want to have a biological child knowing you will pass on life ruining trash genes?

This is precisely the reason why baldness exist. A meaningless, non life threatening genetic mutation that does not get sifted out by natural selection.

There is no bigger crime than giving birth to a child knowing he will suffer as a genetic trash.

 

[WMQ]

We've been over this before. If you have decent genes aside from baldness there's a good chance the kid will have an okay life regardless. If the hereditary baldness isn't too aggressive you can clue him in early on treatments. Your lifestyle choices and how you pass them down to the kid also impacts the onset and speed of the hair loss. Case in point, if my dad had told me about finasteride and I had had my lifestyle sorted out when I was younger I would be a fullhead now and my life would be very different.

I'm all for being realistic but at a point you're just indulging in meaningless self-flagellation.

Good point.

I'm just dazzled by the logic behind OP's question though:

1. Saving for future child due to likely genetic defect
2. Having to give birth to the child in the first place.

If you view this from a completely selfless perspective, it seems hypocritical at the very best. After all, who's to say you have to have a child though? It's OK to say that's because you want to have a family and possibly someone to look after you in future but again it's swinging away from selflessness. It is my personal belief though that if you do not have faith in giving your future child a good prospect you shouldn't consider having a child in the first place. Hell, most people can't even take care of themselves.

 

[That Guy]

 

[WMQ]

In the words of Jordan B Peterson: "If by the time you're 40 you don't have children, you are one lost soul."

What are you going to do with the 40-50 years of your life that you have left if you don't have a family to raise?

You should do what people have done for thousands of years, unless you have a very good reason not to. Like being a genius or something. But even then, Elon Musk has 6 kids so...

How old are you?

I think my previous post already answered your question.

YOU want to have a child, so that you can have someone to spend you life with for those 40-50 years left ahead. Your unborn child does not have a choice. He will be thrown into this world, just like you and me.

Isn't your resorting back to social conventions and ethics, etc. an exact proof of my argument?

We are talking about YOUR CHILD's life, not yours.

I understand and respect your value though. It is what makes us human. Humankind is genetically programmed to be selfish and want their genes to carry on. That's exactly the reason why you and I who had parents who decided that having a child is a must are here, while the presumed offspring of those who take giving birth as a deliberate and heavy decision are probably not. Not necessarily right or wrong, just natural selection my friend.

I'm 25.

 

[WMQ]

BTW do any of you read Kawabata Yasunari? If you did you'd know he's so much into portraying incel life, the hopeless longing for beautiful things, etc. He himself was like an ultimate incel and was afraid to give birth due to how scared he is of his child being like him physically

 

[Stanx22]

Why do you even want to have a biological child knowing you will pass on life ruining trash genes?

This is precisely the reason why baldness exist. A meaningless, non life threatening genetic mutation that does not get sifted out by natural selection.

There is no bigger crime than giving birth to a child knowing he will suffer as a genetic trash.

Couldn't agree more. It's actually rare to be bald and have other perfect genetics to compensate for it because most people don't have perfect genetics, so you'll most likely give your kid a bad collection of genes. You'll find most people who disagree with this are genetic superior ones, so they'll never understand.

 

[WMQ]

Give it a year or two and you will want children too.

I (thought I) didn't want kids at the age of 25, but experience and self-reflection have made me change my mind.

At a point, you have to think about what's good for you and for the people around you in the long-term.

Not having children will make you feel unfulfilled and meaningless, which in turn will make life hell for you, your family and eventually the rest of the people around you.

Therefore, it is selfish not to want children, not the other way around.

No one wants to be around a selfish miserable purposeless loser who's battling depression and anxiety and can't figure out why he's unhappy.

If you know older childless people, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. My mother has such friends and she's always warned me about not having children.

These people are miserable, all of them, and it takes one very special person to find fulfillment without a family.

I know exactly what you mean. And actually I do want to have a child. Not necessarily biological though. I gave some serious thought to adopting a child. But I guess that depend on whether I will be able to sort my own life out and whether tsuji delivers

Earlier this year I spent a lot of time thinking into this issue. And I literally googled something like "what happened to the life of those who decided to be single or not to have children" and I was literally scared shitless (not by the google results though, they simply gave me a clue to reflect upon cases in real life around me, just like you said).

And sorry but imo the bold part is utter bullshit cope distorted logic. The world does not care for you. The world doesn't care if there is one more miserable soul in this world. Life is indifferent. The only people who would truly care for you are your family (parents to be more specific), but they brought you into this world and are responsible to your suffering from genetics in the first place. Keep in mind, the same applies to you and your unborn child.

 

[WMQ]

No woman (female cousin, mother, two aunts, even grandmothers) is even remotely thinning in my family.

If I have a daughter, it's highly unlikely that she'll lose any hair, and it's highly likely that even her will tell me "Dad, it's just hair, man up!" when she's older.

Yeah you might as well play russian roulette on them.

"First of all, I might pull the trigger twice before blowing his head off."

 

[WMQ]

Life is suffering, hair loss or not.

Ask a 6'2 10/10 NW0 model maybe?

 

[WMQ]

Life is suffering, hair loss or not.

Whether your like it or not, you have an influence on the rest of the world, everyone does.

It's so easy to be cynical and be like "nothing matters, it's all just a big nothing anyway!"

But it's not true, reducing suffering matters, for you and for others.

There's a reason childless people end up being ostracized, we all subconsciously see them as toxic people who have lost their ways.

Lost souls.

You are so dead wrong.

Life IS meaningless. The meaning lies in your deliberating life's meaning and trying to make something out of this biological coincidence that perpetuated itself since the first bonding of carbon based life out of that 0.0000000001% chance.

Just think in this way: a Zerg in Starcraft which is basically a reproduction machine, as compared to a Protoss that set a limit to birth and chooses not to add to its population as a deliberate choice. Which one sounds moral to you?

You might benefit reading some Camus etc.

CHOSING not to have children is by no means selfish and cynical. There is even more moral in it, because you are making a choice. Truth is, intelligent and moral people tend less to have children, which is probably why the world has turned into the fucked up place it is today

 

[WMQ]

He is suffering. Guaranteed.

I don't know what he went through, but even our local 10/10 model @Wolf Pack had some harsh sh*t happen to him.

If you think some people aren't suffering, then you don't have much life experience and don't know much about human beings.

Do you think @Wolf Pack has it worse than @Dante92 ?

 

[WMQ]

Kawabata was one of the best writers there was. My favorite japanese writer.

He's among my top but my favorite is Mishima Yukio who strangely is also very good at portraying incel life but in real life became a slayer through gymceling

 

[WMQ]

Fine, life is meaningless, believe that and see where it leads you.

These French philosophers have destroyed the West.

And I've read Camus. In The Stranger, to me, he shows how you should not live your life.

What happens to the protagonist, where does his nihilistic view on life lead him?

Food for thought.

Well, read the Sisyphus one maybe?

 

[WMQ]

I studied Latin for 7 years and Ancient Greek for 4 years in school. I know about these stories.

Sisyphus feels happy and fulfilled pushing his stone even though he has to start over again and again, that's the human condition.

To me, saying life is meaningless so there's no point making the best of it (that's how I understand your point of view), is a cope.

It's like those people who say that love is BS because it's only chemicals in our brains. Try again.

Cope.

If you actually read the Myth of Sisyphus, you would know that that's the opposite of what Camus was trying to convey. Life is meaningless and absurd, but in recognizing it and rising against it, life gains its meaning with Sisyphus being a "happy man". Acknowledging the truth conquers it, being delusional does not. Who's coping?

Maybe shouldn't have mentioned him anyway I understand how his works can f*** people's mind up if you don't read into it.

And just like the point Camus was making, the existence of life itself does not have meaning from a determinism pov, thus it's only in recognizing that and rising against it with your own will, as opposed to, e.g. the primal instinct to reproduce, that the meaning is achieved. By doing that you are actually taking things into your own hand, even though it might result in self destruction in a genetic sense. That was what I was trying to say earlier. But this discussion is drifting far far away and let's stop derailing OP's thread maybe

 

[HankPentagon]

Why not

Better to have hair than a college fund

Q, are you as a couple having the child for your own life or the child's life

 

[WMQ]

f*** these destructive intellectuals, f*** these destructive thoughts. Yeah, you can't tell I'm passionate about this, and there's a reason.

f*** yeah, who need all the intellectuals and progress. Ignorance RULES!!!

 

[WMQ]

You're actually right, life is meaningless, now you can choose to believe that interpretation and live by it, and see where it leads you.

I believe life is meaningful, and whether you like it or not, coper, that interpretation is valid too.

"f*** up people's minds", that's the purpose of writing and literature according to you?

Interpretations of life are infinite and arbitrary, but there is only a limited set of interpretations that won't kill you.

Again, choose to believe the interpretation that life is meaningless and see in what place you end up.

I mean it fucks people's mind up if you don't have the intelligence to understand them.

But you know what?

 

[Medina]

I don't mind if a woman chooses to not have kids but I hate it when they push their agenda onto others

Having children is a massive part of life. You would have to be pretty damn good at something to out-weigh the importance and the benefits of becoming a parent. None of us would be alive without it. Have your writers and philosophers told you that?

I have more respect for a working mother of six than I do for a childless old hag politician who sucks her wages from the taxpayer and tells the people "this is what feminism looks like".

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