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My values and morals are what works.
Not having children has never been done before, that's not the norm, and for the people making that choice right now, or having made that choice since the late 1970's, it's a social experiment, and I don't think it will end well for them.
I'm lucky enough to have maternal grandparents that are still alive and lived by those values their whole lives.
When I see where they ended up, especially after so much suffering, I can't help but admire them and want to be like them.
Every advice they've given me was spot on.
My mom was not their first child, they had a baby before her, he died unexpectedly when he was one.
It was hard for her to get pregnant again, and when she finally got pregnant, she had a lot of complications and my mother's life in her womb was hanging to a thread, so much that her doctor advised that she stayed in bed for the rest of her pregnancy.
And she did, for 6 months she remained in her bed, they swore to God that if they made it through this, that if they could have this baby, they'd go on a long pilgrimage to a church in Belgium, a whole day's walk on foot.
Of course you know the rest, my mother was born, after a dead baby, a lot of tears and suffering. Every day they thank God that they were given this chance, and you can see the amazing work that they've done with my mom, who also became an admirable woman.
My grandparents were evicted of their apartment recently because of a change of owner, and thanks to the help of her family, they could be relocated immediately. My mom and my father took care of everything: finding the apartment, renting the moving trucks, being at their side though this traumatic experience. When you're old and have lived at the same place for 30 years, even a little change can be difficult.
I don't think people think far ahead enough when they say "I don't want children!", they underestimate how hard life will become in their old age, and how crucial the support of a family is. I don't think people realize how ungrateful they are, how they indirectly snob their parents to who they owe their own existence, because they chose to be "selfish" and to have kids.
Only people who haven't had kids could ever say such nonsense. Selfish? Having kids? Ask any parent. Ask @Joan .
I've also never heard my grandparents being negative, like "What's the point of living, let's just be done with it already, I'm old!" That's for those who'll say "Why does it matter if you have a family when you're old, you'll most likely want to die anyway!"
Nope, not if your life has meaning. And you need children for your life to have meaning. Sorry if this triggers you, but I think you're quite young and you don't really know what you're talking about when you say "not having children is fine!" You'll change your mind once you go through motherhood. Don't hesitate to go for it, it's people like you who should have children.
I think she is talking about people who use having kids to have a life and are not actually good parents because they never really had a desire to have them..but had them to have an 'identity' or conform to community.
We have people on the forum with terrible parents and stories (I don't want to tag them I feel like it would be rude of me to do so)--I am going to assume those people did not have kids out of some calling of nature or loving parenting--most likely they did it as a compromise of what they thought they were 'supposed' to do to fit in.
I mean no way to know for sure but...if you do not have the calling to be a parent I do not know if its something someone should force for societal expectations.
Added--I think Evillocks would make a great Mom and she should not count it out for herself as she is still young and if it's something she desires to have in her life--she should give it a lot of thought. I do think 'love' can sometimes factor in to these decisions also. I have known women who did not want kids and met the 'right guy' and they had baby on brain..it happens.