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Hey Guys, has anybody thought that maybe there is some correlation between the side effects of dutasteride and Accutane and how they both might work for hairloss?
I mean one of the main side effects I read repeatedly over and over again at hairsite is that people always complained about dry facial hair like a dry forehead, and a dry beard. I read this multiple times as a side effect. ALSO, I took dutasteride internally as well but stopped after a short while as I felt the effects of gyno starting but I also had a super dry forehead that was peeling, red, and itchy. It was ridiculously bad. I was on it for less than a month so I couldn't tell if it did squat for me.
Now here we have Accutane, which supposedly removes excess oil/sebum from the face/scalp and helps with hair loss. Maybe there really is a correlation between the two. I mean, there are so many friggin drugs out there that if somebody wanted to make up some bullshit and say that a drug helped with hairloss, the chance that it would also mimick the effects of being on dutasteride is kinda slim.
I'm contemplating getting on this stuff myself actualy. If I do, I'll keep you guys all posted. I've lost a sh*t load of hair this year more than any other year and I feel like I'm on my last leg. I also was stressed out like crazy this year for both work and for dating reasons.
Also people, please keep in mind as others have posted before me, just because something works for somebody doesn't mean it will work for somebody else and also there ARE multiple factors that cause hair loss and the people that are on this forum could be having hair loss for any number of reasons. Yes, its mostly genetic, but there are probably multiple forms of genetic hair loss as well.
We really need a system that easily lets you create a profile AND SEARCH for profiles of members that have similar experienes/types of hairloss as you do so you can see what worked for them and what hasn't and try to use what they've used. I mean there are so many factors of hair loss. If I knew somebody had the same type of hair loss as me and had success with a certain type of treatment, I would be 10X more likely to use what he used.
Another thing I want to point out. I heard a few times regarding this thing called Reflex Androgenictiy (sp?) where the body gets used to the chemicals you put into it and just fights back to make things normal again. I think I've experienced something like this. I've tried LOTS AND LOTS of different crap: Revivogen, Nixion, Naturals, all sorts of friggin minoxidil from all sorts of doctors, Propecia, and more crap than I can even think of (been fighting hair loss for 9 years now....and losing). The one thing that has stood out more in my mind than anything else is that on Propecia my hair loss came to a grinding halt right around the 3 month mark (as expected), but started back up again as normal 2-3 weeks later and remained the same again. I've been on Propecia for the longest time, hasn't done squat. I also tried mixing dutasteride with Aloe Vera gel (aka AA) and I read stories from people saying "oh it gives you extremely vivid dreams" and "it makes your hair loss stop after 2 weeks". I thought this was all bull$H!T until I tried it myself and OMG I had EXTREMELY VIVID DREAMS and somehow, somefriggin way, my hairloss stopped again on AA 2 weeks into it and then started back up again about 3-4 weeks down the line again. I think what happened to me with Propecia and applying AA on my scalp might be an example of this reflex androgenicity thing or its my body's weird way of fighting off the drugs I've put into it.
Sorry for rambling on and on, but I wanted to give my 2 cents. Feel free to attack me and tell me how you think I'm an idiot.
BTW, I kinda feel for Empire. I mean he's here trying to help and you guys were verbally bashing him. I mean yeah not everybody was, but a lot of you guys were and if I was him I would be super pissed off too.
I mean one of the main side effects I read repeatedly over and over again at hairsite is that people always complained about dry facial hair like a dry forehead, and a dry beard. I read this multiple times as a side effect. ALSO, I took dutasteride internally as well but stopped after a short while as I felt the effects of gyno starting but I also had a super dry forehead that was peeling, red, and itchy. It was ridiculously bad. I was on it for less than a month so I couldn't tell if it did squat for me.
Now here we have Accutane, which supposedly removes excess oil/sebum from the face/scalp and helps with hair loss. Maybe there really is a correlation between the two. I mean, there are so many friggin drugs out there that if somebody wanted to make up some bullshit and say that a drug helped with hairloss, the chance that it would also mimick the effects of being on dutasteride is kinda slim.
I'm contemplating getting on this stuff myself actualy. If I do, I'll keep you guys all posted. I've lost a sh*t load of hair this year more than any other year and I feel like I'm on my last leg. I also was stressed out like crazy this year for both work and for dating reasons.
Also people, please keep in mind as others have posted before me, just because something works for somebody doesn't mean it will work for somebody else and also there ARE multiple factors that cause hair loss and the people that are on this forum could be having hair loss for any number of reasons. Yes, its mostly genetic, but there are probably multiple forms of genetic hair loss as well.
We really need a system that easily lets you create a profile AND SEARCH for profiles of members that have similar experienes/types of hairloss as you do so you can see what worked for them and what hasn't and try to use what they've used. I mean there are so many factors of hair loss. If I knew somebody had the same type of hair loss as me and had success with a certain type of treatment, I would be 10X more likely to use what he used.
Another thing I want to point out. I heard a few times regarding this thing called Reflex Androgenictiy (sp?) where the body gets used to the chemicals you put into it and just fights back to make things normal again. I think I've experienced something like this. I've tried LOTS AND LOTS of different crap: Revivogen, Nixion, Naturals, all sorts of friggin minoxidil from all sorts of doctors, Propecia, and more crap than I can even think of (been fighting hair loss for 9 years now....and losing). The one thing that has stood out more in my mind than anything else is that on Propecia my hair loss came to a grinding halt right around the 3 month mark (as expected), but started back up again as normal 2-3 weeks later and remained the same again. I've been on Propecia for the longest time, hasn't done squat. I also tried mixing dutasteride with Aloe Vera gel (aka AA) and I read stories from people saying "oh it gives you extremely vivid dreams" and "it makes your hair loss stop after 2 weeks". I thought this was all bull$H!T until I tried it myself and OMG I had EXTREMELY VIVID DREAMS and somehow, somefriggin way, my hairloss stopped again on AA 2 weeks into it and then started back up again about 3-4 weeks down the line again. I think what happened to me with Propecia and applying AA on my scalp might be an example of this reflex androgenicity thing or its my body's weird way of fighting off the drugs I've put into it.
Sorry for rambling on and on, but I wanted to give my 2 cents. Feel free to attack me and tell me how you think I'm an idiot.
BTW, I kinda feel for Empire. I mean he's here trying to help and you guys were verbally bashing him. I mean yeah not everybody was, but a lot of you guys were and if I was him I would be super pissed off too.
Fender89 said:I donno man, i've never had problem with acne, my hair is never greasy or oily or anything. I'm pretty sure i don't have excess sebum. My hair is still thinning and falling out
You don't necessarily need to have had acne to suffer from hair loss. Also, excess sebum/oily skin in one area doesn't mean its going to happen to all areas of your body. I don't know squat about acne, but I do believe its bacteria that causes acne.
I'm trying a bunch of different things now and in the past to halt my hair loss and none of them worked. They work for others, just not for me. How would we know that Accutane might work for some, but not for all???
Interesting opinion. If you can read my story, http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=56004 the most recent posts of mine theorize that my seemingly diffuse thinning is the result of increased sebum. I'm been having a ton of flaking in the last couple months which coincides with my thinning.
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I have been applying this for the last 2 months approximately... I am at the end of my second bottle right now and my hair never felt that thick..unbelievable. I apply this stuff just after my shower and dry up really fast. Not greasy also.. Twice a day. Going to order 2 more bottles right now. I totally beleive that sebum is the culprit of hair loss.
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http://vanwagoner.net/product_literatur ... rol_A5.pdf
They also sell a really cool retinol serum : http://www.makeupartistschoice.com/prod ... 40-54.html
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rogar6 said:
I take 20mg pills usually every other day, sometimes I may go two days off, one day on. So I would say I take it, on average, 3 days per week.
My diet isn't that great, I eat mostly what I want, but I am mindful that I shouldn't be an idiot and go to McDonalds every day or always eat Fries with my Burger, etc. This is an area I need to improve though and I'm working on trying to implement a diet along the lines of Dr. Mercola's "No Grain Diet" to see if I see further benefits to my health and hair.
The effectiveness of accutane as probably encouraged me to eat "worse" than I would without it. So I am curious to see how I feel and how my hair does if I get my diet in good disciplined order.
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elan164 said:
Correct, the only things I am doing are low dose "generic" accutane, Rogaine Foam (discontinued use of liquid minoxidil due to scalp irritation and messiness), occassional Nizoral shampoo use (i.e. 2 days per week), and I try to take ImmortalHair's top 6 internally...but without very much consistency.
I tried Propecia before and experienced very negative side effects, so I determined that, to me, I would rather be bald and feel like my normal self than have slightly more hair and continue to live with all the side effects which would far outweigh any hair gained.
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davestep said:
Yes applying that stuff directly to my scalp, it gets in really fast... I also mix it sometimes with Super CP serum.. The bottle last forever.. http://www.dianayvonne.com/c=QmyWknoKQk ... _4_oz.html strongest copper peptides on the market... I take internal finasteride 1mg a day... with other bunch of vitamins and supplements... I Use Nizoral every 2-3 days, revivogen shampoo with a good conditioner. Also apply dead sea salts masks twice a week on my scalp..cheap and remove all the sebum, dht and other crap..cheap.. Nanominox once or twice a day also. But I strongly believe that sebum is really the culprit of hair loss... Look carefully at bald guys... Their heads look like a f*****g ice ring!
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This is a very interesting thread. I feel rather than stay a lurker it might be good if I add my own experiences. I am 29 and suffered with moderate acne for 8-10 years, like most who suffer acne, Accutane was the very last thing I wanted to try, all the scare stories put me off, not least possibility of hair loss!
However, I came across a thread where a guy with clearly nothing to gain insisted that ultra low dose Accutane had completely cleared his acne with no nasty side effects. I decided as I'd tried literally everything and waited for almost 10 years for it to go naturally that I would give this a shot. It worked and cleared my skin literally 100% and extremely quickly. Slightly dry lips was the only small side effect. I was and am over the moon. I took just one 20mg pill a day instead of the usual four 20mg pills each day.
I took Accutane in this low dosage for 6 months and stopped back in the April/May. My skin has been almost perfect ever since, although definitely slightly more oily than when I was taking Accutane, but no acne, just an occasional blemish.
The reason I mention all the above, is that ever since I stopped my hair has been receding very noticeably. Now maybe it is just a coincidence, but my gut feeling is there is more to it than that.
There are obvious contradictions in all this, like if it was purely sebum related why then are not all acne sufferers losing their hair and vice versa with why is acne not common among those with thinning hair. Obviously hair loss in the main does not go hand in hand with acne, in fact probably quite the opposite. BUT I am convinced there is some link.
I still have some Accutane and will try one 20mg every other day. I doubt it will cause regrowth but I, like I'm sure all of you here, know how many hairs come out in your hands in the shower, or while combing. I'm certain if there is an appreciable change in this respect I'll notice without a doubt. I'll keep you posted.
However, I came across a thread where a guy with clearly nothing to gain insisted that ultra low dose Accutane had completely cleared his acne with no nasty side effects. I decided as I'd tried literally everything and waited for almost 10 years for it to go naturally that I would give this a shot. It worked and cleared my skin literally 100% and extremely quickly. Slightly dry lips was the only small side effect. I was and am over the moon. I took just one 20mg pill a day instead of the usual four 20mg pills each day.
I took Accutane in this low dosage for 6 months and stopped back in the April/May. My skin has been almost perfect ever since, although definitely slightly more oily than when I was taking Accutane, but no acne, just an occasional blemish.
The reason I mention all the above, is that ever since I stopped my hair has been receding very noticeably. Now maybe it is just a coincidence, but my gut feeling is there is more to it than that.
There are obvious contradictions in all this, like if it was purely sebum related why then are not all acne sufferers losing their hair and vice versa with why is acne not common among those with thinning hair. Obviously hair loss in the main does not go hand in hand with acne, in fact probably quite the opposite. BUT I am convinced there is some link.
I still have some Accutane and will try one 20mg every other day. I doubt it will cause regrowth but I, like I'm sure all of you here, know how many hairs come out in your hands in the shower, or while combing. I'm certain if there is an appreciable change in this respect I'll notice without a doubt. I'll keep you posted.