Saw a guy with high Norwood today with a really hot girl...

[uncomfortable man]

No matter how good looking the face, with advanced baldness that face can not live up to it's potential. Its a waste of a face imo and probably the opinion of alot of women out there too. I remember a thread where this guy had a good system and the difference was like black and white. That is what we have to deal with here. Baldness is demasculating, women can see that as clear as the horseshoe on my head. I am marked and I don't kid myself about weather or not women read into someone being bald (esp. as a potential partner). Alot of women think us bald guys are gross and there is nothing we can do about it but hide under our collective hats and/or systems or brave the scorn of a society hell bent on being beautiful. Baldness is not a good thing. Now to what degree it isn't a good thing depends on how much stock someone puts in appearances. Many people judge based on appearances alone so there will always be a constant demographic of haters we have to contend with.

 

[ali777]

I spent my evening/night socialising with friends, I even got couple comments about my hair. One of my friends bought clippers to cut his hair at home, and he said that since I don't have much hair left I should try it as well :dunno:

I was with another friend later on, and he's NW5. We talked about minoxidil, propecia, girls, life etc... He said his doctor told him some horror stories about propecia.. Then we started talking about the girls... He said his hair doesn't bother him anymore and I should just forget about it, and get on with my life... I'm telling you, this guy isn't particularly attractive but he gets on with women much better than most of us. I'd rate myself as better looking than him, but he's got some sort of devilish attraction to him. I think it's his relaxed attitude that is the killer.

The secret is in being relaxed and content.... No one is perfect, and we'll never reach that perfection.

I think most of the women around our age don't care that much about the hair. I strongly disagree with UM's views on the subject... (this is where UM takes a deep breath and says: "here we go again :whistle: ")

 

[iwantperfection]

Why do you all see women as calculative beings. A woman does not look at a bald guy and think oh hes good for a few bucks or ill use him for jobs i need done. absolute rubbish. A woman will either find you attractive or not. Yes being bald may be a disadvantage but noone is out to get ya! I also find it strange how some of you with little or no exp with women come up with these theories about them and think they are correct when you admittedly express how you have no experience. Guys chill out!!!

 

[ali777]

Why do you all see women as calculative beings. A woman does not look at a bald guy and think oh hes good for a few bucks or ill use him for jobs i need done. absolute rubbish. A woman will either find you attractive or not. Yes being bald may be a disadvantage but noone is out to get ya! I also find it strange how some of you with little or no exp with women come up with these theories about them and think they are correct when you admittedly express how you have no experience. Guys chill out!!!

Some of the guys in this forum have trust issues, they don't trust women... I can understand dudemon to a certain extent, but I don't understand UM and CCS. Dudemon has been hurt before, and he's never truly got over it. So, he approaches all women with caution.

I had a messy break up, and I've been with women that tried to use me as well... I never let a few bad apples change my opinion of women. To be fair to women, there are lots of men out there that are only interested in sex. The whole trust issue is a two way street, I know a few women who don't trust men at all....

I spent my evening/night socialising with friends, I even got couple comments about my hair. One of my friends bought clippers to cut his hair at home, and he said that since I don't have much hair left I should try it as well :dunno:

I was with another friend later on, and he's NW5. We talked about minoxidil, propecia, girls, life etc... He said his doctor told him some horror stories about propecia.. Then we started talking about the girls... He said his hair doesn't bother him anymore and I should just forget about it, and get on with my life... I'm telling you, this guy isn't particularly attractive but he gets on with women much better than most of us. I'd rate myself as better looking than him, but he's got some sort of devilish attraction to him. I think it's his relaxed attitude that is the killer.

The secret is in being relaxed and content.... No one is perfect, and we'll never reach that perfection.

I think most of the women around our age don't care that much about the hair. I strongly disagree with UM's views on the subject... (this is where UM takes a deep breath and says: "here we go again :whistle: ")

I think some of women want to be platonic friends with bald guys, because they don't view them as a sexual partner that any of their girlfriends would try to steal. They think that they can "manipulate" bald guys to do things for them (fix their cars, etc...) because they assume bald guys don't get laid very often.

No, you are wrong.... When I said this guy gets along with women, I didn't mean as a friend, I meant he gets along well with women in a sexually context.

If a woman thinks I'm a safe bet just because I have thin hair, she's more than welcome to try me :whistle: I'm no one's puppet... As I said, I have been in relationships where the other side tried to control me. Those things don't work on me.

 

[barcafan]

Why do you all see women as calculative beings. A woman does not look at a bald guy and think oh hes good for a few bucks or ill use him for jobs i need done. absolute rubbish. A woman will either find you attractive or not. Yes being bald may be a disadvantage but noone is out to get ya! I also find it strange how some of you with little or no exp with women come up with these theories about them and think they are correct when you admittedly express how you have no experience. Guys chill out!!!

I agree.


Its all about your attitude anyways... If you're always acting depressed with your head down then sh*t you're 100% right that's how you'll get treated.

 

[barcafan]

Why do you all see women as calculative beings. A woman does not look at a bald guy and think oh hes good for a few bucks or ill use him for jobs i need done. absolute rubbish. A woman will either find you attractive or not. Yes being bald may be a disadvantage but noone is out to get ya! I also find it strange how some of you with little or no exp with women come up with these theories about them and think they are correct when you admittedly express how you have no experience. Guys chill out!!!

I agree.


Its all about your attitude anyways... If you're always acting depressed with your head down then sh*t you're 100% right that's how you'll get treated.

If you work in an occupation such as an auto mechanic, they will try to use you to get their car fixed - trust me! I was one for 15 years. The women would always come into the shop, and get "friendly" with me, give me their phone#, and tell me to call them. I would, and it was always about getting a repair done on their car - a "side job." The first few years I always fell for it too. I would go over their house, fix their car in the driveway, and without een a smooch on the cheek, it was "thank you and goodbye" - followed by "h by the way, my boyfriend's truck needs some work, I'll have him give you a call when he comes home."

I allowed myself to get played over ancd over again, by women doing the exact same thing to me. The ones who wanted to be "friends" were doing as I described earlier in my previous post - they were just taking "the long way" about doing it. But, after I fixed their car, they always had "boyfriends" or they told me they were married - even though they wern't wearing any wedding rings.

None of the other mechanics in the shop were ever tatgeted by women like this in all the shops I have worked in - a half-dozen shops or so. But, my co-workers (with full heads of hair) were constantly appraoched by women, but never about fixing their cars on the side! A lot of my co-workers were married, and they were constantly doing "nooners" with fdmale customers :woot:

But not little old bald me! When women approached me at work it was ALWAYS about getting their car fixed and nothing more. If I tried to hit on the same girls my coworkers were porking on their lunch breaks, the b**ch would tell my boss and try to get me fired. If I hit on other women, the same thing would happen. If my coworkers hit on the same girl, that tried to get me fired, they'd be having a nooner with her that day during their lunch hour.

The difference: me = bald, my coworkers = full head of hair

Haha dude, i like how it HAS to be because you're bald. Correlation isn't causation.

You're the quintessential nice guy.

Let me ask you this: Are you saying EVERY bald guy gets played the same way? What about the good looking ones? If not then it has nothing to do with the hair itself, merely your drop in attractiveness. Therefore worse looking guys are more likely get played (By your logic).

Hair doesn't hold some magical f*****g power, man.

Maybe you're just creepy, i dont know. But i guess i'll see what way the world spins when i'm bald.

 

[zackmcqueen]

' because I was bald and they assumed that I didn't get laid very much for that reason. That is how some women think, and it is how some shallow people in this world think - that they can manipulate bald guys for reasons like this. '

I think this has some merit, but not for the same reasons...I've always done decently with chicks and losing my hair never changed that, but hilariously, ever since i lost it completely (I'm a razored down nw6 now) I get an inordinate amount of FAT chicks approaching me every time I go out. Since I still f*** decent looking chicks regularly it doesnt matter so much anyway, but it is SO insulting that these stupid fat chicks assume just because I'm bald that I don't get laid and that they have a chance...

 

[Quantum Cat]

Tony Soprano is a Norwood 4-5 and nobody takes advantage of him. He also has loads of goomahs. not to mention he's fat also.

in other words, it's not about looks but about charisma and confidence (and being a mafia boss)

 

[s.a.f]

I think some of women want to be platonic friends with bald guys, because they don't view them as a sexual partner that any of their girlfriends would try to steal. They think that they can "manipulate" bald guys to do things for them (fix their cars, etc...) because they assume bald guys don't get laid very often.

That paragraph could easily have been written by CCS,
I know where UCman is coming from but I dont believe its all that bad, sure its true of some women but by no means all of them.

 

[CCS]

Why do you all see women as calculative beings. A woman does not look at a bald guy and think oh hes good for a few bucks or ill use him for jobs i need done. absolute rubbish. A woman will either find you attractive or not. Yes being bald may be a disadvantage but noone is out to get ya! I also find it strange how some of you with little or no exp with women come up with these theories about them and think they are correct when you admittedly express how you have no experience. Guys chill out!!!

I agree.


Its all about your attitude anyways... If you're always acting depressed with your head down then sh*t you're 100% right that's how you'll get treated.

If you work in an occupation such as an auto mechanic, they will try to use you to get their car fixed - trust me! I was one for 15 years. The women would always come into the shop, and get "friendly" with me, give me their phone#, and tell me to call them. I would, and it was always about getting a repair done on their car - a "side job." The first few years I always fell for it too. I would go over their house, fix their car in the driveway, and without even a smooch on the cheek, it was "thank you and goodbye" - followed by "oh by the way, my boyfriend's truck needs some work, I'll have him give you a call when he comes home."

I allowed myself to get played over and over again, by women doing the exact same thing to me. The ones who wanted to be "friends" were doing as I described earlier in my previous post - they were just taking "the long way" about doing it. But, after I fixed their car, they always had "boyfriends" or they told me they were married - even though they wern't wearing any wedding rings.

None of the other mechanics in the shop were ever targeted by women like this in all the shops I have worked in - a half-dozen shops or so. But, my co-workers (with full heads of hair) were constantly appraoched by women, but never about fixing their cars on the side! A lot of my co-workers were married, and they were constantly doing "nooners" with female customers :woot:

But not little old bald me! When women approached me at work it was ALWAYS about getting their car fixed and nothing more. If I tried to hit on the same girls my coworkers were porking on their lunch breaks, the b**ch would tell my boss and try to get me fired. If I hit on other female customers, the same thing would happen. If my coworkers hit on the same girl, that tried to get me fired, they'd be having a nooner with her that day during their lunch hour. It just about always went like this - I'm not kidding!

The difference: me = bald, my coworkers = full head of hair

So true. Difference is it only took a few women for me to learn this. Because I think too much. So I'm spending my money on me and on my appearance, instead of doing favors.

 

[s.a.f]

To be fair to women, there are lots of men out there that are only interested in sex. The whole trust issue is a two way street, I know a few women who don't trust men at all...

Well said. :bravo:

 

[CCS]

If I tried to hit on the same girls my coworkers were porking on their lunch breaks, the b**ch would tell my boss and try to get me fired.

This is how low they value your life. You hit on them, they try to get you fired. They don't just say no. Many of them would kill you for looking at them if they could. There are a lot of evil people out there.

 

[s.a.f]

Some of them are THAT evil and mean. So, women that bring their car into a repair shop to try and "work" guys that work there (ie. - 'easy ' targets like bald guys), they are just taking advantage to a lesser extent.

I reallly find this hard to believe that there are women out there who when their car breaks down think "now I'll have to go to the garage and go to the trouble of leading on some bald mechanic so he can fix my car".
I suppose they also look for bald plumbers/electricians/builders ect ect ... when they need other work doing, because obviously women cant just pay straight up like men can.
Where does this all lead? Do they also flirt with the bald checkout cashier at the supermarket to try and get a discount on grocery bills? Come off it no women are that cheap, this is like CCS' theory that women will go on dates with men they dont like just to get a free meal. :roll:

 

[barcafan]

Some of them are THAT evil and mean. So, women that bring their car into a repair shop to try and "work" guys that work there (ie. - 'easy ' targets like bald guys), they are just taking advantage to a lesser extent.

I reallly find this hard to believe that there are women out there who when their car breaks down think "now I'll have to go to the garage and go to the trouble of leading on some bald mechanic so he can fix my car".
I suppose they also look for bald plumbers/electricians/builders ect ect ... when they need other work doing, because obviously women cant just pay straight up like men can.
Where does this all lead? Do they also flirt with the bald checkout cashier at the supermarket to try and get a discount on grocery bills? Come off it no women are that cheap, this is like CCS' theory that women will go on dates with men they dont like just to get a free meal. :roll:

Dudemon has a severely distorted view on womens psyche. If the horror stories he's posted are even 50% true, then i can totally understand. He's been hurt, not his fault.

 

[CCS]

I speak from experience. I was at my best friend's house in high school, and overheard his sister and their friends talking about how they wanted to see a movie. None of them had money to go. Then his sister announced, "Hey, that guy Robbert really likes me. I'll call him up and he can take us!".

One time I was walking through downtown san diego. My friends and I had just got down with 4 days of rock climbing in Joshua Tree, and headed for the beach, and just washed up in a hotel, and were hitting up the night scene. Some pretty women walked up to me and told me they needed help. I asked them what they needed help with. They looked at each other, then looked back and me and said they needed food. Then one of them pointed at a burito stand and asked me to buy them some food. I turned them down.

I'm telling you this stuff is common. My laser tech is selling expensive stuff (probably a scam) to desperate old people to make $50 a pop on devices that the old person will probably blow $1000 on and not get results from.

I know a woman who dated 3 guys at once, and was not interested in any of them except for their money. She would not have sex with them, but led them on good. Then she had a wild sexy relationship with another guy, but he broke her heart later. Served her right.

You guys think I make all this up. I know many people in real life who do this stuff. At least 20 women have flirted with me to try getting better service of some kind or other. I spot it instantly and throw up my guard. A pretty lady who wanted me to join their scam sales team made sure to give me a hug before I left, in hopes I'd return for the next meeting. I recognised that, and did not come back.

 

[CCS]

My advice remains the same: Try talking to women, and see if you can get it to lead anywhere. Do not lie and say you just want to be friends. If she rejects you, move on, don't try to trick her or she will end up controlling you.

If she wants sex with you, she won't charge you for it. If she charges you, it means she does not want sex with you and will not give it later. Or if she does, it will be just one time to get you permenantly on the hook so she can control you later.

Trust your instincts more. Instead of worrying about if you are impressing her, focus more on reading her signals to see if she is interested or faking or showing disinterest, or if she seems unaware you are hitting on her. Learn how to show interest without coming on too strong. If she does not show it back, go for another woman.

If you are constantly getting rejected, work on your appearance. You should be working out for your health anyway.

If you realize you can't get women, then at least don't blow your hard earned money on them. Spend your money on yourself. You'd be amazed how much fun you can have when you are not poor.

Need friends? Easy to find other people who need them at the right kind of social events. Just be selective eventually, so you are with people you respect, not just other people who need friends.

As for sex, get good at masterbation and metal images. Just don't spend a lot of money on p**rn.

If you are trying hard enough to fix your health, and are smart enough, you should be able to look good enough to get a decent looking woman, or better. Might take a while, or take a hair piece.

 

[Quantum Cat]

As for sex, get good at masterbation and metal images. Just don't spend a lot of money on p**rn.

:crazy:

 

[uncomfortable man]

Just another example of how big a difference it makes between being bald and having a full head of hair. I've had girls say to me that I would be so handsome if I only had a full head of hair or I would totally date you if you weren't bald. Would, could, only if...
Baldness is a deal breaker for alot of women. Why? Because even though many of them would not admit it (and some are all too blatant) that appearances do matter and hair plays a big part that. Consequently, if you go bald early like me or HP then get ready for some harsh judgements and a degree of social resistance. People aren't cringing at me because I have something caught in my teeth, it is because bald people just look plain weird and awkward. And don't tell me it's because I lurk around with a hunched back and scowl and spit at people because I act normal and in control. I may be self conscious but I hide it well. It is so obvious, it is common knowledge that baldness is a detriment. Why else would all of you be here trying to prevent it from happening to yourselves?

 

[s.a.f]

I speak from experience. I was at my best friend's house in high school, and overheard his sister and their friends talking about how they wanted to see a movie. None of them had money to go. Then his sister announced, "Hey, that guy Robbert really likes me. I'll call him up and he can take us.

One time I was walking through downtown san diego. Some pretty women walked up to me and told me they needed help. I asked them what they needed help with. They looked at each other, then looked back and me and said they needed food. Then one of them pointed at a burito stand and asked me to buy them some food. I turned them down.

I'm telling you this stuff is common. My laser tech is selling expensive stuff (probably a scam) to desperate old people to make $50 a pop on devices that the old person will probably blow $1000 on and not get results from.

I know a woman who dated 3 guys at once, and was not interested in any of them except for their money. She would not have sex with them, but led them on good. Then she had a wild sexy relationship with another guy, but he broke her heart later. Served her right.

You guys think I make all this up. I know many people in real life who do this stuff. At least 20 women have flirted with me to try getting better service of some kind or other. I spot it instantly and throw up my guard. A pretty lady who wanted me to join their scam sales team made sure to give me a hug before I left, in hopes I'd return for the next meeting. I recognised that, and did not come back.

I dont doubt any of this. I've had it myself where girls 10 yrs younger than me will ask me to come out clubbing with them because they wanted me to pay for drinks, but these cold hearted skanks only make up about 5% of all women. (Thats what you dont seem to realise).
These women are the ones who have 'issues' and come from fucked up backgrounds.
I'd say that in general men are probably much more devious than women when it comes to relationships.
The saleswomen will have been trained to do that stuff, I've heard that Bosley employs alot of attractive young women, who are taught to work on the insecurities of the balding guys who come for consultations.
Just because you guys have been hurt you cant be bitter towards all women, look around you there are alot more people happy in their relationships than there are people being used.

 

[s.a.f]

Just another example of how big a difference it makes between being bald and having a full head of hair. I've had girls say to me that I would be so handsome if I only had a full head of hair or I would totally date you if you weren't bald. Would, could, only if...
Baldness is a deal breaker for alot of women. Why? Because even though many of them would not admit it (and some are all too blatant) that appearances do matter and hair plays a big part that. Consequently, if you go bald early like me or HP then get ready for some harsh judgements and a degree of social resistance. People aren't cringing at me because I have something caught in my teeth, it is because bald people just look plain weird and awkward. And don't tell me it's because I lurk around with a hunched back and scowl and spit at people because I act normal and in control. I may be self conscious but I hide it well. It is so obvious, it is common knowledge that baldness is a detriment. Why else would all of you be here trying to prevent it from happening to yourselves?

I cant argue with that but again its not all women. Your perspective is the worst possible way of viewing things.
Yes you are in a way disadvantaged in terms of dating. But as people keep posting there are endless examples of bald guys with decent women (and its not about them being used).
At the end of the day the real dealbreaker is if you've 'got your sh*t together'.
If a man has his life sorted out and his prospects are good and a woman can see that he knows how to deal with whatever issues life may throw at him then that is worth more than having hair or 6pk abs.
I'm not saying that you dont have cause to complain but you've had good woman before and you can do it again.