Stemson is going to use minipigs in the next stage of their hair cloning research

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This again does not mean that the gene is unexpressed or expressed in Kurt Russell in a way that can be changed without changing the rest. You are starting from the premise that since men with great beards and good hair exist, that there are treatments that can achieve this without altering the rest. He didn't presumably alter anything but maybe he was on finasteride in 1989 like Rob Lowe. So how do you conjecture Mr. Russell turned out this way? How did my father? But you cannot necessarily reverse the presumption and say such a thing is achievable by others. People without reductase secretion don't go bald. They seem to be fertile but I doubt they have beards. Maybe Kurt would have had an even better beard without hair and certainly the converse is likely to be true.

I said we want treatments that give us good hair & beard & no hormonal sides. I didn't say those treatments exist now.
 
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Nah , its not it . The money on the cure is bigger then on treatment . Those treatment dont work that long . minoxidil and finasteride lose effect pretty quick . And once you reach a high Norwood you stop using them. Plus there are no limit to the bald ppl there always gona be more , and ppl would pay crazy amount of money for it . Plus the meds are generic now so the conspirancy is pretty much dead.

The price of the cure will be greatly more which most people won't be able to afford anyway, they will still make more money of treatments than a cure because unlike a cure which is once off treatment approximately, a treatment is reused on a regular basis for years and generations are using it. Constant flow of money for a low hanging fruit.
 

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I would be happy if at least they created a treatment that would give a real regrowth of healthy hair and work over time. Many people discontinue current treatments seeing little or no results over time.
 

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About 70 million boys are born every year. The supply of customers for a permanent solution doesn't run out.
 

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Nah , its not it . The money on the cure is bigger then on treatment . Those treatment dont work that long . minoxidil and finasteride lose effect pretty quick . And once you reach a high Norwood you stop using them. Plus there are no limit to the bald ppl there always gona be more , and ppl would pay crazy amount of money for it . Plus the meds are generic now so the conspirancy is pretty much dead.
finasteride or minoxidil doesn't lose effect. What happens is that your hair follicles begin more sensitive to DHT
 

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About 70 million boys are born every year. The supply of customers for a permanent solution doesn't run out.
And off the 70 million only around approximately 1% would be available able to afford the cure and only about half that 1% will be experiencing hairloss, and only about half of that if not much less, approximately, would be willing to pay exorbitant prices for hair.
 
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The same applies to Finasteride & Minoxidil. They cost enough to price out millions of men around the world. But there is still a market for them.

Finasteride cuts into the business for other regrowth drugs like Minoxidil, by dramatically slowing/stopping loss. It didn't stop Finasteride from being released & marketed as a hair loss drug. And they didn't make any of the existing drugs stupid-expensive for rich men only. Because that's not how things work in real life.
 

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And they didn't make any of the existing drugs stupid-expensive for rich men only. Because that's not how things work in real life.
Indeed. If they want to scale this therapy up and bring it to the market, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to bring it up only for the richest of the rich. They already said that they are examining ways to SCALE this up for everyone fighting hair loss. Tho this does not mean that you can access it easily, the night it is on the market lol.

Just saying.
 

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Indeed. If they want to scale this therapy up and bring it to the market, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to bring it up only for the richest of the rich. They already said that they are examining ways to SCALE this up for everyone fighting hair loss. Tho this does not mean that you can access it easily, the night it is on the market lol.

Just saying.
for now, let them successfully complete the preclinical studies
 

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Disappointing, I expected 2027 market release before this interview.
What do you expect now? I moved my expectation to 2030.
 

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The same applies to Finasteride & Minoxidil. They cost enough to price out millions of men around the world. But there is still a market for them.

Finasteride cuts into the business for other regrowth drugs like Minoxidil, by dramatically slowing/stopping loss. It didn't stop Finasteride from being released & marketed as a hair loss drug. And they didn't make any of the existing drugs stupid-expensive for rich men only. Because that's not how things work in real life.
You can't compare Finasteride and Minoxidil to a hair loss cure cost. Their exponentially less expensive than a cure.

Also, most people can afford either Finasteride or Minoxidil, its still relatively very low cost, which is why there's hundreds of millions of people using both.
 

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Disappointing, I expected 2027 market release before this interview.
What do you expect now? I moved my expectation to 2030.
I moved to 2035 at least.
Then, Stemson is not important anymore to me.

New drugs like BAYER, GT20079, Breezula and so on is the way.

Also I hope Yokohoma trials starts and go well in 2023 too. Then we will have an option to clone hair (if it becomes necessary) by it too.
 

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I moved to 2035 at least.
Then, Stemson is not important anymore to me.

New drugs like BAYER, GT20079, Breezula and so on is the way.

Also I hope Yokohoma trials starts and go well in 2023 too. Then we will have an option to clone hair (if it becomes necessary) by it too.
Good for Yokohama, cloning technology is out there now, number of companies trying hair cloning should grow, we can't rely on one or two, Stemson is too slow.
 

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I moved to 2035 at least.
Then, Stemson is not important anymore to me.

New drugs like BAYER, GT20079, Breezula and so on is the way.

Also I hope Yokohoma trials starts and go well in 2023 too. Then we will have an option to clone hair (if it becomes necessary) by it too.
How is Yokohama different from Tsuji or Stemson? it's too late for beautiful hair for us, we just came too early into this world, all good things will pass us by
 

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Good for Yokohama, cloning technology is out there now, number of companies trying hair cloning should grow, we can't rely on one or two, Stemson is too slow.
nothing is available yet, if so, why does stemson need a few years to complete preclinical research?
 

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nothing is available yet, if so, why does stemson need a few years to complete preclinical research?

They need to refine it, but cloning works on pigs and should work on humans, if there were no regulations they could probably transplant it to humans already.
 

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They need to refine it, but cloning works on pigs and should work on humans, if there were no regulations they could probably transplant it to humans already.
there was no pig studies yet....
 

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If they could make HUMAN hair grow on mouse in 2012 already, they could transplant it on humans in 2013 if there were no stupid regulations which slows things down. Hair was first cloned and grown on mouse in 2012, and now we have to wait till 2032 for Stemson to hit the market.
20 wasted years because of dumb regulations.

HUMAN hair growing on a mouse in 2012, just take this damn hair and transplant it on human scalp ffs.
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since it's so simple why don't we have hair cloning as a commercial service yet? the hair could be of poor quality and simply not suitable for cosmetic use
there was no pig trials yet
 
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