Stemson is going to use minipigs in the next stage of their hair cloning research

[JohnDoe5]

he wont say nothing new, old ble ble bla bla

You're probably right but you could be wrong.

 

[Gump]

That's exactly the problem. No one asks what the results of the pig trials have been so far, and I have basically been ignored after contacting 3 or 4 people associated with Stemson. They've been testing on pigs for a year by now, at least. Worse yet, some members of this forum think I'm mentally ill because I reach out to Stemson in search of answers, as if doing this is an unreasonable request to demand. My guess is if they say that the result of their pig trials has been dismal, they fear their corporate funding (and jobs) will disappear, which would kill the possibility they could find a solution, eventually. Although I am totally on board with Stemson's mission to cure baldness, as a company I am finding them to now be distasteful in how they don't wish to communicate with the public to answer very basic questions. I would like to have a good relationship with the people at the company, however. To their corporate money investors (if they read these forums, fat chance), just because they failed a number of times doesn't mean they will continue to fail. If their plan makes sense and just needs refinement to work, then to continue funding them could still make for a good result in time. It's only if they're stumped and have no other ideas likely to work that it's time to pull the plug on funding. The first group to do quality hair cloning will be rolling in the dough. It's worth the investment if a company is innovating.

No, people think you're crazy for expecting an answer. Reach out to Pfizer, J&J or any pharma company about clinical trials and see if they reveal anything. There's literally no benefit for them to give information to a random schmuck online. If they need press, funding, etc., they'll put out a statement or presentation. It's a waste of your time and theirs to keep contacting them. They're years away from anything significant - if they even give you a crumb of information now, that means they're dealing with you (and others like you) bugging them for years.

 

[JohnDoe5]

Based on recent hires I think Stemson is preparing to move into human trials. As a matter of fact, Stemson said exactly that themselves in April 2022 when Geoff Hamilton stated, "The next stage of Stemson’s development is to advance our first product toward human clinical trials,” stated Geoff Hamilton, cofounder and CEO of Stemson Therapeutics.

IMO this means pig studies have been successful.

 

[JohnDoe5]

If so they would publish the pig results .

Not necessarily.

1. The only people they absolutely definitely have to show the results of the pig study to is the FDA. Just because you want to know the results doesn't mean they have to show the results to you.

2. It can take months to formalize the results of a study. For all you know they're working on creating a report of the results (of the pig study) right now. A results report isn't just the notes they've been jotting down all along during the pig study. It has to be a comprehensive comprehensible report for the FDA to review. They have definitely been hiring the kind of people it will take to move from pre-clinical studies to clinical (human) studies + they themselves are telling us that their next step is to transition to human studies. I'm satisfied that the pig studies are done or near done, and they were successful.

Some of you worry too much.

 

[JohnDoe5]

He said it will take few years before the human trails. Human trails are hit or miss. Once you faill on the firsr its hard to raise money for the next hard if not impossible.
Its will take few years .

Please post the link to the story where he says it will take a few years before human trials.

 

[froggy7]

Its was one of his latest interview on zoom . I think its on youtube.he said somthing about they still want to fully adjust it before jumping to human , also they want to to be with robot in the future so they probably doing some of the work for it

True, btw we dont even now if the cloned hair will be accepted well by human skin///long road

 

[Raccooner]

Its was one of his latest interview on zoom . I think its on youtube.he said somthing about they still want to fully adjust it before jumping to human , also they want to to be with robot in the future so they probably doing some of the work for it

Geoff Hamilton stated it would be 1-2 years for research and development and then another 1-2 years to get the robotics technology deals worked out to implant the cloned hairs. Bottom line is we have no statement from Stemson that they got the human hairs growing in the pigs. We get news about hiring people for developing the future human trials, yet they remain silent on their pig experiments. My logic tells me if they had success in their pig models to any degree then why would they be afraid to report it? Perhaps it could be other groups working with hiPSC technology and might beat them to the punch being first to develop a solution if it is known that the pig experiments were successful. This could be maybe the real reason behind the hush hush. Understand the thing is nobody is saying a word about the pig experiment results from the company. Not a yes or no answer. Just no comment at all. Like real conspiracy. This is no accident. Geoff likely told them all to zip it or get canned and face litigation. This is my guess.

 

[froggy7]

Geoff Hamilton stated it would be 1-2 years for research and development and then another 1-2 years to get the robotics technology deals worked out to implant the cloned hairs. Bottom line is we have no statement from Stemson that they got the human hairs growing in the pigs. We get news about hiring people for developing the future human trials, yet they remain silent on their pig experiments. My logic tells me if they had success in their pig models to any degree then why would they be afraid to report it? Perhaps it could be other groups working with hiPSC technology and might beat them to the punch being first to develop a solution if it is known that the pig experiments were successful. This could be maybe be the real reason behind the hush hush. Understand the thing is nobody is saying a word about the pig experiment results from the company. Not a yes or no answer. Just no comment at all. Like real conspiracy. This is no accident. Geoff likely told them all to zip it or get canned and face litigation. This is my guess.

they don't have to say anything to random people like us, but to investors

 

[Raccooner]

they don't have to say anything to random people like us, but to investors

We know there's some confidential information. Spencer Kobren, from The Bald Truth, was told certain things about Stemson by Geoff Hamilton. He even admitted it on his show. There are definitely things going on with them they don't want to go around. The thing is not long ago they didn't mind telling the public about their results and dealing directly with questions from the public, now they've taken a 180 on that. I think they might have "struck oil" but are afraid of going public with it for fear of potentially losing it first to a competitor.

 

[Super Metroid]

We know there's some confidential information. Spencer Kobren, from The Bald Truth, was told certain things about Stemson by Geoff Hamilton. He even admitted it on his show. There are definitely things going on with them they don't want to go around. The thing is not long ago they didn't mind telling the public about their results and dealing directly with questions from the public, now they've taken a 180 on that. I think they might have "struck oil" but are afraid of going public with it for fear of potentially losing it first to a competitor.

There could be some truth to that logic, really good results on pigs would mean there is a serious chance that Stemson gets to have a monopoly in a potentially very profittable market. It could awaken savvy investors or narcissist billionaires to create their own company, scavenge Stemson's lead scientists an rush through trials.

It's like Sun Tzu, if you are far away, let the enemy think you are nearby and vice versa.

 

[JohnDoe5]

Its was one of his latest interview on zoom . I think its on youtube.he said somthing about they still want to fully adjust it before jumping to human , also they want to to be with robot in the future so they probably doing some of the work for it

Please post a link to the interview you're talking about. I would like to see it for myself.

 

[JohnDoe5]

Geoff Hamilton stated it would be 1-2 years for research and development and then another 1-2 years to get the robotics technology deals worked out to implant the cloned hairs. Bottom line is we have no statement from Stemson that they got the human hairs growing in the pigs. We get news about hiring people for developing the future human trials, yet they remain silent on their pig experiments. My logic tells me if they had success in their pig models to any degree then why would they be afraid to report it? Perhaps it could be other groups working with hiPSC technology and might beat them to the punch being first to develop a solution if it is known that the pig experiments were successful. This could be maybe the real reason behind the hush hush. Understand the thing is nobody is saying a word about the pig experiment results from the company. Not a yes or no answer. Just no comment at all. Like real conspiracy. This is no accident. Geoff likely told them all to zip it or get canned and face litigation. This is my guess.

Their recent hires with expertise in transitioning from preclinical trials to clinical trials mean a lot. It means they believe they will be moving their tech to clinical trials. If the pig trials are a bust they wouldn't see themselves moving their tech to clinical trials. They also said transitioning to clinical trials is their next step, which means a lot too.

I'm not asking to see the interview where Geoff Hamilton said it would take another year or two to work out the robotics but please post the link where Geoff Hamilton stated it would be 1 - 2 years for research and development. I do not believe this is true. I don't think he stated that specific detail.

 

[Raccooner]

Their recent hires with expertise in transitioning from preclinical trials to clinical trials mean a lot. It means they believe they will be moving their tech to clinical trials. If the pig trials are a bust they wouldn't see themselves moving their tech to clinical trials. They also said transitioning to clinical trials is their next step, which means a lot too.

I'm not asking to see the interview where Geoff Hamilton said it would take another year or two to work out the robotics but please post the link where Geoff Hamilton stated it would be 1 - 2 years for research and development. I do not believe this is true. I don't think he stated that specific detail.

Here it is: Stemson Therapeutics Interview Part 3 - Human Trials When? - YouTube

 

[JohnDoe5]

Here it is: Stemson Therapeutics Interview Part 3 - Human Trials When? - YouTube

This interview goes back to early December 2021. That's 6 months ago. A lot can happen in 6 months. It's possible that in the past 6 months they got better results than they expected in the pig studies so they're moving up their timeline.

I still don't think they would be hiring staff adept at transitioning to clinical studies unless they foresee transitioning to clinical trials.

That having been said, I agree with you that 6 months ago he said that 2 years would be an optimistic take on when clinical trials could start. It sux. I hope they got the kind of results in pig studies to speed up their timeline or else we've got a long wait.

 

[Super Metroid]

Their recent hires with expertise in transitioning from preclinical trials to clinical trials mean a lot. It means they believe they will be moving their tech to clinical trials. If the pig trials are a bust they wouldn't see themselves moving their tech to clinical trials. They also said transitioning to clinical trials is their next step, which means a lot too.

I'm not asking to see the interview where Geoff Hamilton said it would take another year or two to work out the robotics but please post the link where Geoff Hamilton stated it would be 1 - 2 years for research and development. I do not believe this is true. I don't think he stated that specific detail.

My next step is to become a billionaire, but that doesn't mean I am anywhere close

Who are those hires with specific knowledge in human clinical trials?

 

[JohnDoe5]

My next step is to become a billionaire, but that doesn't mean I am anywhere close

That's not the same thing as them saying their next step is human trials. You becoming a billionaire isn't very realistic.

 

[Raccooner]

My next step is to become a billionaire, but that doesn't mean I am anywhere close

Who are those hires with specific knowledge in human clinical trials?

Their latest hires have been: Sabrina Maisel, PhD & Kelly Rubin. These are some other notable people they've hired recently: Stemson Therapeutics Announces Additions To Its Scientific Advisory Board | Business Wire

 

[Gump]

This interview goes back to early December 2021. That's 6 months ago. A lot can happen in 6 months. It's possible that in the past 6 months they got better results than they expected in the pig studies so they're moving up their timeline.

I still don't think they would be hiring staff adept at transitioning to clinical studies unless they foresee transitioning to clinical trials.

That having been said, I agree with you that 6 months ago he said that 2 years would be an optimistic take on when clinical trials could start. It sux. I hope they got the kind of results in pig studies to speed up their timeline or else we've got a long wait.

Keep in mind that's his estimate to BEGIN clinical trials. Unless they get some sort of accelerated approval or trial usage, I think this is at least 10 years from being publicly available if everything goes well (big if), and even that could be optimistic.

 

[JohnDoe5]

Keep in mind that's his estimate to BEGIN clinical trials. Unless they get some sort of accelerated approval or trial usage, I think this is at least 10 years from being publicly available if everything goes well (big if), and even that could be optimistic.

I don't think it's 10 years and I don't think they'll get accelerated approval in the US but they could get accelerated approval in Asia.

 

[Mighty]

We finally achieved 100 pages of pure speculation, faith, hype and disappointment!!!!!

1.5 year since this thread was created.

Let's see if we will get a cure before this thread completes 5 years of sweet suffering.

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