The Cognitive Taxes Of Hair Loss And General Ugliness

[hairblues]

Not saying this is his case, because it might not be.

Even @Wolf Pack would probably agree with this.

Some men think that a hair transplant will mean medication is not necessary.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Even with a transplant, or not a transplant, medication
is still necessary to keep the remaining DHT sensitive hair in place.

Am I wrong?

Im a woman so i don't know if my hair loss is comparable but i had hair on top of head that was short-cycling like crazy for several years...so it thinned out mostly on part lines like a christmas tree...

I put off minoxidil for so long because Dr wanted me to get my iron up because i have low ferritin but i also have androgenic alopecia (low ferritin just made it worse otherwise it was mild t think) anyway as soon as i started minoxidil it was like nothing to add to my routine..it made me shed like crazy for two weeks ALL this little hairs were falling out like crazy...then by week 5 i had regrowth already.

I would say i got back what i lost over past few years and i am on it for 3 months.

I have no idea how it will effect anyone else but it really helped me dramatically in a short period of time..

also i got my iron up so i think its synergistically working.

I also used topical sprio and estrodial. so i cant say for sure

i still shed like crazy but its all long hairs and not where i was thinning so i don't know if that is the minoxidil or just the way i shed.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Mostly because I heard you can get increased shedding at first, which would mortify me; also because you can never stop it or you lose all gains (and gains are not guaranteed). Lastly, it would be difficult to fit into my work/life schedule, and on top of that I'm not the most disciplined person to begin with lol.

I don't see myself as using minoxidil forever.

We have Brotzu possibly coming out next year, with histogen, follica, etc not far behind.

At most I'm using minoxidil for five years, but even if it were forever, I'm also brushing my teeth forever.

 

[Bklyn_23]

I don't see myself as using minoxidil forever.

We have Brotzu possibly coming out next year, with histogen, follica, etc not far behind.

At most I'm using minoxidil for five years, but even if it were forever, I'm also brushing my teeth forever.

Yeah, perhaps I need to reconsider it. Do you know if, when one stops minoxidil, they (may?) lose only the hair they would have lost anyway in the intervening months/years, or if it can be even worse than that?

 

[hairblues]

I don't see myself as using minoxidil forever.

We have Brotzu possibly coming out next year, with histogen, follica, etc not far behind.

At most I'm using minoxidil for five years, but even if it were forever, I'm also brushing my teeth forever.

f*****g Fidea lol

 

[rclark]

Im a woman so i don't know if my hair loss is comparable but i had hair on top of head that was short-cycling like crazy for several years...so it thinned out mostly on part lines like a christmas tree...

I put off minoxidil for so long because Dr wanted me to get my iron up because i have low ferritin but i also have androgenic alopecia (low ferritin just made it worse otherwise it was mild t think) anyway as soon as i started minoxidil it was like nothing to add to my routine..it made me shed like crazy for two weeks ALL this little hairs were falling out like crazy...then by week 5 i had regrowth already.

I would say i got back what i lost over past few years and i am on it for 3 months.

I have no idea how it will effect anyone else but it really helped me dramatically in a short period of time..

also i got my iron up so i think its synergistically working.

I also used topical sprio and estrodial. so i cant say for sure

i still shed like crazy but its all long hairs and not where i was thinning so i don't know if that is the minoxidil or just the way i shed.

That's a very good question.

You've been on it a very long time, so I doubt it's shedding at this point. This is much less hair, and they're long.

spironolactone generally does better than Progesterone, for women. There are government studies that prove this. That
said, Progesterone definitely does help women keep their hair. It just isn't as good as spironolactone does for women.

There are many controlled studies on both for female androgen alopecia.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

he only went back to dating this month and to be honest i think he's doing pretty well getting actual dates...

how well he's doing with follow ups i am not sure because his thread got derailed.

If the actual dates are going sour but he's getting the dates this tells me its NOT his looks this is something going on with a social interaction and that is not going to improve without practice--which is what he is doing.

he's only real stipulation is weight..and i doubt its about wanting skinny women as he likes big tits and *** so i think its more about not waning obese women. which is understandable.

I don't think I'm super picky. It is the case that I could get more dates with 300 lbs women if I wanted, but I don't want them.

Over the years I've been on many dates that fulfil the criteria of having gone "well", where the girl is laughing and smiling and enthusiastically telling me all about herself, where she asks a lot of questions, gives compliments, etc. That doesn't matter though. If I don't meet a looks threshold then nothing I do will matter.

I actually have good social skills in 1on1 situations actually, I have friends all over the world, long-term friends that I keep in touch with, and not by means of likes on facebook.

I've seen it reverse. The woman I saw on Thursday was substantially larger than her profile pic (where she was about average). The first thought on my mind when she showed up was "oh, no."

Yeah, perhaps I need to reconsider it. Do you know if, when one stops minoxidil, they (may?) lose only the hair they would have lost anyway in the intervening months/years, or if it can be even worse than that?

It's shown that you temporarily end up below baseline when you quit, but then your hair recovers. This takes a few months if I recall correctly. Some people have conspiracies about minoxidil-dependent hairs, but there's no evidence.

I plan on using minoxidil indefinitely until a superior treatment comes out.

 

[CopeForLife]

I just cut every of my expectations except not being poor (poverty sucks although I never was poor). No expectations = no disappointments.

I am currently in LDAR mode and started doing well on job (from home). Mentally stable.

Probably it is easier for me since I never wanted family/child in the first place.

 

[hairblues]

I don't think I'm super picky. It is the case that I could get more dates with 300 lbs women if I wanted, but I don't want them.

Over the years I've been on many dates that fulfil the criteria of having gone "well", where the girl is laughing and smiling and enthusiastically telling me all about herself, where she asks a lot of questions, gives compliments, etc. That doesn't matter though. If I don't meet a looks threshold then nothing I do will matter.

I actually have good social skills in 1on1 situations actually, I have friends all over the world, long-term friends that I keep in touch with, and not by means of likes on facebook.

I've seen it reverse. The woman I saw on Thursday was substantially larger than her profile pic (where she was about average). The first thought on my mind when she showed up was "oh, no."


It's shown that you temporarily end up below baseline when you quit, but then your hair recovers. This takes a few months if I recall correctly. Some people have conspiracies about minoxidil-dependent hairs, but there's no evidence.

I plan on using minoxidil indefinitely until a superior treatment comes out.

social skills for friends and colleagues is different then being on dates. There is an intimacy and in spite of what Fred says about women making first move based off looks...yes, sure, perhaps if you are good looking enough for this, sure..but thats not the case for most men.

unless you are using deceptive photos like you cited in your experience i don't know why they would meet you if they did not want to go out with you.

photos don't make women look slimmer its usually opposite unless they are deceptively using old photos.

 

[Dench57]

The woman I saw on Thursday was substantially larger than her profile pic (where she was about average). The first thought on my mind when she showed up was "oh, no."

 

[hairblues]

meanwhile he's fat too lol.

 

[hairblues]

Holy f*** I would have reacted in the same way, that fat slob seems ready to swallow him whole. Seeing her naked would probably cause any man to melt in "Raiders of the Lost Ark" fashion.

yet HE is fat

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I think it's mean to publicly shame someone like that.

 

[Baldhurts]

yet HE is fat

I had the bumble plus account and I could see who liked me before I liked them back and I remember two women who were like that woman in then video. Just fukkkn lol If they think I would even entertain the idea of matching them. Nope.

 

[tadaaa84]

I don't know if this is a country-specific problem...maybe there is more pressure on guys to look good in the US. I don't really feel that pressure in Europe. Most men are average or even below average looking anyways...not much competition. And yes, some women don't like bald guys, but some women also don't like big noses or beer bellies or a certain style..this would mean all those men were single, as in reality most of them have girlfriends (and jobs).

 

[hairblues]

Please, he's better than her, and surely didn't let himself go as the woman did.

they are both unattractive people

neither one of them is going to get a hot man or woman (i know its Ricky Gervais) based on their looks.

How unattractive each one is by slim margins who cares?

it just shows the irony of someone unattractive rejecting someone as unattractive

i like men and women I would not want either one base on looks.

Rick gervaise since he slimmed down is better.

but no one is doing these like small increments of who is slightly more attractive

People who are actually attractive are not interested in how unattractive someone is by margins

to put it in number terms
well shes a 3 but he's a 4.5...who cares? the 7 is not going to want to be bothered with either of them

 

[CopeForLife]

they are both unattractive people

neither one of them is going to get a hot man or woman (i know its Ricky Gervais) based on their looks.

How unattractive each one is by slim margins who cares?

it just shows the irony of someone unattractive rejecting someone as unattractive

i like men and women I would not want either one base on looks.

Rick gervaise since he slimmed down is better.

but no one is doing these like small increments of who is slightly more attractive

People who are actually attractive are not interested in how unattractive someone is by margins

to put it in number terms
well shes a 3 but he's a 4.5...who cares? the 7 is not going to want to be bothered with either of them

he is 5.5-6 for his age

she let herself go and below any rating

 

[hairblues]

he is 5.5-6 for his age

she let herself go and below any rating

I'm telling you from perspective of someone who has been with both men and women

they are both physically unattractive

the increments of who is slightly more or less so becomes ridiculous in real life dating and sex.

thats the truth.

If i had been set up on a blind date with a man as heavy as him i would not want to f*** him from first site.

I would be miserable with either one of them

he has slimmed down in real life so its different if he showed up thin but still not a great face.

To be honest i did not look at her face to tell you if she had a good face or not because shes big so its like what difference does it make

but so is he in my opinion. and he does not have a handsome face by most standards i have seen on this site.

 

[cocohot]

So true! And unfair.
I always think about those girls (97 % of girls my age!) whose life is not turning around trying to keep their hair and not gaining so much weight from cyproterone acetate! How easy life must be for them! Me, I check my liver every 3 months and my breast every year!!! It is not what a 28 yo should live...
I must spend 200 to 300 euros /months for hair only. (add more for skin, weight, general health, gym...) As a consequence, I live in a 20m2 flat (or "box" - your call) because I can't save any money in order to move. So, I decided to work more by taking another job (rewritting books for private autors) aside from my current job! As a consequence, I have no life, I am stressed,my hair falls... Talk about a snow ball! FML seriously.

That's an interesting job, how do you get people to pay you to rewrite their stuff? Are you a ghostwriter for a big publishing company or something?

 

[DoctorHouse]

It's not that, it's just you're smart in other areas of life.

Dating just doesn't come as easy, my friend.

There are too many different personalities, and probably because women have been
burned in past relationships.

It's not fair that they take it out on you, but that's just the way sometimes life is.

Have you thought about entering a Mensa dating club, or something where you could meet
women with common interests that you have?

This is a great post. David, unfortunately, the older you get, the more you are going to run into women who have been "burned" in past relationships. I experienced this first hand. They really are very cautious with you when you have no history of marriage and they do. I think you should still continue to date just to get more experience socially. I recommended a great book to you and it should help you read women better. And how to give them signals you are interested and see if they reciprocate. Even at my age, I am still learning how to polish my social skills. As Joan always says, we are a work in progress. If certain things in life are stressing you out, then learn to focus on other things. We all have stress. This is a tough world to live in.

I can't tell you how important it is to read people. I know you are smart enough you will eventually be good at and use it to your advantage. I have changed my attitude at work and about myself for the past 2 months and I can't believe the positive changes I am seeing interacting with total strangers. I am getting such positive feedback from them that makes me actually feel good about myself. Once you start seeing this you will feel better about yourself.

Someone mentioned your popularity on here. You are very well liked here David. You are always opening threads and trying to share new information and your writing skills are still great. You and Zircon are very gifted with your writing skills. I also think Johnson is a great poster too. You have alot to offer David so don't give up on yourself. Have faith in yourself and realize when the time is right, everything will fall into place for you. I still believe that could be my destiny as well but I sure have been waiting along time for it to happen. I can't promise I will try harder but I will never close all my options. Don't give up. And most importantly don't delete this thread because my legacy posts have to remain here forever.

 

[That Guy]

There's a long-running misguided debate on this forum (and in general society) as to the merits of looks versus personality. This debate assumes that these are separate variables. They are not, as better looks (particularly effortless looks) facilitates a better personality.

I have 3,477 posts on this forum, and a few hundred private messages as well. I have a cupboard that includes minoxidil, stemoxydine (needs to be ordered online), RU58851 (needs to be ordered online), will soon include alfatradiol (needs to be ordered online), nizoral shampoo, special conditioner -- I cannot use finasteride. I also need to worry about skin, teeth, eyes, body composition, my nose apparently, and how to partition limited money among them.

All of this leaves me jealous of the people who can focus on living life and on their hobbies and pursuits. The people with full heads of hair, those whose stomachs are full after one slice of pizza, who never get acne, they don't need to worry about their looks. They can read more books, watch more movies, do better at their jobs, go travelling with their extra money, or perhaps start investing in the stock market or in housing. They can then feel proud about themselves for having invested their time and money wisely, for being more responsible, and for being more awesome people. If they have anything in this world, it's because they deserve it.

I would really love to live in a world where I knew nothing about DHT, hair loss patterns, hormones, carbohydrates versus fats, hydrogen peroxide, zinc, aromatase inhibitors, flaxseed, soy, minoxidil, etc etc etc basically where a lot of handsome men are. They don't need to worry for the most part, though they floss every morning and once every few years they get tailored clothing and for that they feel like they're putting in the effort and thus they deserve what they have.

This has been a huge stress. I guess I look a little better, but I don't read as much as I used to, my writing skills have declined, I didn't watch as many movies last year, I don't concentrate as much at work, I don't have as many savings, and I'll face criticisms for all of those things and others that will fill in the vacuum left by the reduced discrimination from looking slightly better (but still not good enough).

A while back a friend suggested that I might be doing poorly on dates because I lack relationship experience. That is certainly plausible, as women don't like socially awkward behaviour, and do think about the collective judgment of other women. However ... what is the root cause of my not having dating experience? The same reason I have a hard time getting dates now. It's kind of like the f*****g snowball effect, except this snowball doesn't seem to ever reach the bottom of the mountain, rather it just seems to grow and grow and get bigger forever.

I never thought I'd spend any length of time reading, much less posting about hairloss...not ever.

I'll openly admit I'm fairly vain, but I attribute this to the fact that as I've said on here before, when I started to give a sh*t about my appearance it changed my life dramatically; I could never go back to the way I was.

My hairloss isn't nearly as bad as many members here, but the fear of what's coming (and fairly rapidly if the treatments don't work) has me constantly thinking about it despite my best efforts to just not worry about it.

On my tablet, phone...whatever, I always have tabs open that I obsessively check throughout the day, keeping up to date with developing treatments, talking to people about it and looking at my reflection more than anyone should.

It really does mentally f*** you up and fast. Hopefully, I'll continue to see results from the finasteride and minoxidil and maybe there'll be more options in the next couple of years in addition to transplants and I can just move on...