The Israeli–Palestinian conflict

[Empire]

AS FOR FIRE MELTS STEEL.

FIRE, IF IT WAS TO DAMAGE THE STRUCTURE.. DOESN'T DO SO IN LESS THAN ONE HOUR. BUILDINGS HAVE BURNT UP TO 19 HOURS AND NOT COLLAPSED.

 

[Empire]

AND LAST OF THE DAMNING EVIDENCE.

IT PENETRATED ONLY THE FIRST OUTTER WALL?

A JUMBO JET ONLY MANAGED TO HIT THROUGH 1 OUTTER WALL? AND NO REMANING PIECES WERE EVEN FOUND?

 

[Bryan]

I agree that Iraq invasion was based on made-up evidence.

That's an exaggeration.

We could argue all day long that Saddam was an evil man, etc... Bush wasn't that different.

???

You think Bush wasn't that different from Saddam Hussein?? Is that a joke? PLEASE tell me that was just a joke.

 

[Empire]

I agree that Iraq invasion was based on made-up evidence.

That's an exaggeration.

We could argue all day long that Saddam was an evil man, etc... Bush wasn't that different.

???

You think Bush wasn't that different from Saddam Hussein?? Is that a joke? PLEASE tell me that was just a joke.

YES NOW THATS A JOKE.. SADDAM WASN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYWHERE NEARRRR THE AMOUNT OF IRAQI DEATHS BUSH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR.

Lets see you argue that one Bryan. Lets see you convince us that Saddam was responsible for more Iraqi deaths than Mr. Bush.

Saddam was Evil.. BUSH is the Devil.

 

[Empire]

I agree that Iraq invasion was based on made-up evidence.

That's an exaggeration.

My friend.. you've lost all credibility in this argument.

Iraqi invasion was NOT based on made-up lies? Is that what you believe?

Sorry friend, could you butt out the conversation, your great with hair loss.. but don't insult those that are here by trying to swing the bar closer to the middle.

UNBELIEVEABLE! My eyes can't believe whats being written. You'd think you were in a Coma these past 9 years Bryan.

 

[Empire]

Get this through your thick heads.. because your holding up the rest of the world.

9/11 was home made to cause a new catastrophe to carry out operations otherwise impossible.

It led to the evasion of Afghanistan and Iraq which created the gas pipeline.

US now has bases in Iraq and Afghan.. and whos in the middle? SURPRISE.. IRAN.

The UNITED STATES provided the O.K for Saddam to attack Kuwait and even gave them military equipment to do so. After Saddam attacked, they reversed their position.

Cause it was a GOD DAMN setup.

They FUNDED and ASSISTED Iraq to war with Iran. Ever since the Shah was removed, the U.S saw Iran as a threat and installed Saddam to weaken it.

Wars are started by accusations of a "homicidal maniac" and always done in "self-defence" like that of Saddam, that of Bin Laden, Hitler etc. And they were ALL installed by Anglo-Empires.

In Australia, they are now trying to push for some sort of internet filter. Any aussies here to shed some light?

Well these kinds of things are to keep you dumb, stupid and ignorant as not to rebel.

And since the American culture revolves around entertainment and not well informed, educated and well articulated facts.. here.. knock yourselves out.

[youtube:2r5a2t1j]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeCuKgmEVZQ[/youtube:2r5a2t1j]

 

[Old Baldy]

You know Empire, using your analogy, you could say George Washington was responsible for more deaths than the British Empire (i.e., relative to American deaths in my country's colonial period).

However, I'm glad George Washington did what he did.

Do you think Bush wanted to be dictator of the world or wanted, for example, Iraq to be ruled by people who freely vote?

Further, do you think it is wrong for me to believe the leader of Iran is a dictator and that the Iranian people would be better off if they had a population free to vote for the leader of their choice?

 

[Empire]

You know Empire, using your analogy, you could say George Washington was responsible for more deaths than the British Empire (i.e., relative to American deaths in my country's colonial period).

However, I'm glad George Washington did what he did.

Do you think Bush wanted to be dictator of the world or wanted, for example, Iraq to be ruled by people who freely vote?

Further, do you think it is wrong for me to believe the leader of Iran is a dictator and that the Iranian people would be better off if they had a population free to vote for the leader of their choice?

In the words of George Bush: "This would be alot easier if it was a dictatorship, as long as Im the dictator". - Why even joke about it, did he find his actions "totalarian".

The leader of Iran is a religious monarchy. They are the mirror image of Britian.

 

[Bryan]

It led to the evasion of Afghanistan and Iraq which created the gas pipeline.

LOL!! We EVADED Afghanistan and Iraq?

 

[ali777]

The leader of Iran is a religious monarchy. They are the mirror image of Britian.

I can see where you are coming from, but you are wrong.

Despite the British government, and the British monarchy being an oddity, in practice Britain is more socialist than the Soviet Union. The same argument could be extended to many European countries.

There are so many laws and legislations protecting civil liberties, freedom of speech, human rights, individual's freedoms, etc that in effect the monarchy is nothing more than a symbolic figure head.

Someone like Richard Dawkins can write a book on atheism, even put ads on the buses that "God probably doesn't exist", but the Islamic Republic of Iran can't even tolerate an author like Salman Rushdi.

Comparing the two countries is like comparing black and white. Despite both of them being colours, in reality they are opposite...

 

[ali777]

I agree that Iraq invasion was based on made-up evidence.

That's an exaggeration.

We could argue all day long that Saddam was an evil man, etc... Bush wasn't that different.

???

You think Bush wasn't that different from Saddam Hussein?? Is that a joke? PLEASE tell me that was just a joke.

We've been through this many times..... And it wasn't a joke....

The main reasons for invading Iraq were: support for Al-Qaida, and WMD.

The whole world knows, Iraq didn't tolerate Al-Qaida. The whole world used to tell Bush that he's reasons are made up and there is no proof. It's ironic that the power vacuum created by the invasion gave rise to Al-Qaida in Iraq.

WMD: There was never a proof that they existed.

The whole world is better off without Bush. I'm not with you and I'm not against you, if you know what I mean.

 

[Empire]

The leader of Iran is a religious monarchy. They are the mirror image of Britian.

Someone like Richard Dawkins can write a book on atheism, even put ads on the buses that "God probably doesn't exist", but the Islamic Republic of Iran can't even tolerate an author like Salman Rushdi.

Comparing the two countries is like comparing black and white. Despite both of them being colours, in reality they are opposite...

Yes... Iran can't even tolerate an author like Salman Rushdi the same way Austria, US, Britian, Germany etc can't tolerate those who merely QUESTION the circumstances of the Holocaust.

People are quick to be up in arms about Irans dictatorship whilst they are living in one!

- People locked up for denying the Holocaust (thanks to the grand old Jewish lobbyists)
- People imprisoned for not paying tax money (which Muslim nations don't do)
- People imprisoned for joking about a bomb at a Canadian Airport for 3 months.
- People removed from Airplanes and placed on No Fly Lists for wearing Anti George Bush tshirt.
- Legislation that allows people to be held in custody and questioned indefinately without a lawyer


BEFORE YOU GO BASHING PLACES LIKE IRAN.. Take a look in your own backyard and realise your living in a fu.cking dictatorship.

And I use the f word to emphasis the brutality of it. The difference between the U.S and Iran is one country is straight out with the rules and regulations, whilst the other gives an "illusion of democracy".

 

[Empire]

It led to the evasion of Afghanistan and Iraq which created the gas pipeline.

LOL!! We EVADED Afghanistan and Iraq?

Thats it Bryan? You have no facts to rebuttle, so you sought refuge in the fact I wrote Evade instead of Invade in a reply of rapid thought?

Your getting old my friend.. time to retire.

 

[techprof]

oldbaldy, I don't agree with this freedom/democracy bs. If so, we should have gone to zimbabwe first not Iraq.

 

[Smooth]

Lol Empire Fhail!!

(I have a feel what your next post will be like : "Hey Smooth, you have nothing to say, you cant back your words with facts so you linked to a stupid video, as you clearly have nothing meanning to say, i win! lol i WIN! " LOL im in your mind man, im in your mind!!! :woot: )

j/k post ofc ;P

Edit later: theres one thing i dont get with you conspiracy belivers; why would the US bomb the twins to begin with? what are the intrests?.. i really mean it? why would they US want to invade Iraq and Apgha? they satated that it was for the nukelear facilities right? if thats the case then i m 100% suppot the invasion, if its vengens then im not so sure, but eitherway both are valid reason in my book...

 

[ali777]

The leader of Iran is a religious monarchy. They are the mirror image of Britian.

Someone like Richard Dawkins can write a book on atheism, even put ads on the buses that "God probably doesn't exist", but the Islamic Republic of Iran can't even tolerate an author like Salman Rushdi.

Comparing the two countries is like comparing black and white. Despite both of them being colours, in reality they are opposite...

Yes... Iran can't even tolerate an author like Salman Rushdi the same way Austria, US, Britian, Germany etc can't tolerate those who merely QUESTION the circumstances of the Holocaust.

People are quick to be up in arms about Irans dictatorship whilst they are living in one!

- People locked up for denying the Holocaust (thanks to the grand old Jewish lobbyists)
- People imprisoned for not paying tax money (which Muslim nations don't do)
- People imprisoned for joking about a bomb at a Canadian Airport for 3 months.
- People removed from Airplanes and placed on No Fly Lists for wearing Anti George Bush tshirt.
- Legislation that allows people to be held in custody and questioned indefinately without a lawyer


BEFORE YOU GO BASHING PLACES LIKE IRAN.. Take a look in your own backyard and realise your living in a fu.cking dictatorship.

And I use the f word to emphasis the brutality of it. The difference between the U.S and Iran is one country is straight out with the rules and regulations, whilst the other gives an "illusion of democracy".

I'm gonna put the issue of Holocaust aside, I don't know much about it....

Defending tax evasion? Tax evasion is the same as stealing my money. Anyone who steals my money deserves to rot in prison. I can't believe you are defending criminals stealing MY money. If you don't want to pay tax, don't use the roads, the schools, hospitals, defense systems, etc built with MY money. Go and live in Iran, as far as I know Iran doesn't collect taxes.

The other things have to be answered by the Americans. I don't know about them....

I know a terror suspect can be arrested in Britain and held for a certain time. If there is enough proof that the person in question is a potential terrorist, there is nothing wrong with trying to extract information from him. That's protecting my civil liberties. When he's released and if he can prove his innocence, he can sue the government. That's his right as well, and I will support his rights at the same time. You have to understand that in the EU, even the criminals have rights.

 

[Empire]

Lol Empire Fhail!!

(I have a feel what your next post will be like : "Hey Smooth, you have nothing to say, you cant back your words with facts so you linked to a stupid video, as you clearly have nothing meanning to say, i win! lol i WIN! " LOL im in your mind man, im in your mind!!! :woot: )

j/k post ofc ;P

Edit later: theres one thing i dont get with you conspiracy belivers; why would the US bomb the twins to begin with? what are the intrests?.. i really mean it? why would they US want to invade Iraq and Apgha? they satated that it was for the nukelear facilities right? if thats the case then i m 100% suppot the invasion, if its vengens then im not so sure, but eitherway both are valid reason in my book...

Are you for real? ..

Iraq only holds one of the biggest oil reserves in the world. Oil money (black gold) only accounts for a one of the biggest income funders in the world.

George W. Bush is only the director of an oil company himself.

Dick Cheney only leads the infrastructure business that is building the Afghan-Iraq gas pipeline..

I mean.. just.. small.. details.

The Afghan war was a joke. It was to set a few bases up. Why do you think most troops are in Iraq, not Afghanistan? The whole point is Iraq then eventually Iran.

Troops in Iraq are dying for Corporations. Corporations that rebuild countries and make money through war.

ALOT of people got rich from the two wars. Alot of important people. They had big stakes in this war.

 

[Empire]

I'm gonna put the issue of Holocaust aside, I don't know much about it....

Defending tax evasion? Tax evasion is the same as stealing my money. Anyone who steals my money deserves to rot in prison. I can't believe you are defending criminals stealing MY money. If you don't want to pay tax, don't use the roads, the schools, hospitals, defense systems, etc built with MY money. Go and live in Iran, as far as I know Iran doesn't collect taxes.

The other things have to be answered by the Americans. I don't know about them....

I know a terror suspect can be arrested in Britain and held for a certain time. If there is enough proof that the person in question is a potential terrorist, there is nothing wrong with trying to extract information from him. That's protecting my civil liberties. When he's released and if he can prove his innocence, he can sue the government. That's his right as well, and I will support his rights at the same time. You have to understand that in the EU, even the criminals have rights.

Well aren't you an obedient civilian!

Let me explain something to you friend. Lets take a leaf out of third world countries books..

BIG corporations should be paying tax. Huge money earners should be paying tax. Joe Blow earning 50k a year to feed a family should NOT be paying tax.

Joe Blow who needs that extra $150 a week should NOT be jailed for not paying tax.

Tax money that FUNDS BAILOUTS that FUNDS ILLEGAL WARS that ULTIMATELY GOES INTO THE POCKETS OF THE WEALTHY.

It's the MIDDLE CLASS TAX that keeps the Elite.. ELITE.

So learn where your tax money really goes before worrying about people not paying it. If tax money REALLY went where it was theortically meant to.. The U.S would be UTOPIA.

 

[Empire]

Holy Christ... I've never seen an agenda come into practice so brilliantly. Your living, breathing robots!

You actually think your opinions are yours. It's been drilled into your head so long, you now think it's your own values. Pay taxes, join the army, kill the bad guys, trust the government.

 

[kadosh]

People imprisoned for not paying tax money (which Muslim nations don't do)

and how is that working out for them ? Muslim nations arent exactly utopia .