There's A Big, Enviromental Factor In Baldness, And It's Still Undiscovered.

[Armando Jose]

Epigenetics also exist.

 

[Dench57]

Just lol!

please stop

 

[Exodus2011]

Two points:

1) One thing to point out about the twin study -- which finds modest effects of lifestyle on male pattern baldness -- is that twins not only have identical genetics, they actually have almost identical environments in most cases.

If you believe as Fred does that environment is based 100% on your looks, then twins will have identical environments. I believe something in that general direction, maybe not quite as stringent. Further, twins also have similar tastes and preferences so they will make similar prreferences. In general, for most environmental factors you might not be able to measure anything because the twins will have lived such similar lives. For example if one twin was fed a lot of vegetables in childhood, so was the other twin.

So any environmental influence identified by a twin study is a lower bound on environmental influences.

The other reason it's a lower bound is that they only had 90 pairs of twins. That's not a big enough sample size to ask a lot of questions.

2) Somebody brought up intermittent fasting. I did intermittent fasting for hormonal reasons relating to obesity, body composition, and insulin resistance. It may also be good to prevent Alzheimer's and cancer. However, there is reason to believe it may be good for hair loss. I posted the argument here:

https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...tent-fasting-as-a-hair-loss-treatment.100661/

as an academic what do you make of the studies showing the association between baldness and both insulin resistance/issues and heart disease? also how its connected to autoimmune issues?

about the insulin thing theres some anecdotal support with me. my mom is borderline diabetic and my dad became obese later in life. they both love sweet foods and so do i. i also have lots of autoimmune issues. i have severe seasonal allergies and eczema. i also had ringworm back in elementary.

pisses me off so much sometimes cuz its like "goddamn every f*****g aspect of my body f*****g sucks"

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

as an academic what do you make of the studies showing the association between baldness and both insulin resistance/issues and heart disease? also how its connected to autoimmune issues?

about the insulin thing theres some anecdotal support with me. my mom is borderline diabetic and my dad became obese later in life. they both love sweet foods and so do i. i also have lots of autoimmune issues. i have severe seasonal allergies and eczema. i also had ringworm back in elementary.

pisses me off so much sometimes cuz its like "goddamn every f*****g aspect of my body f*****g sucks"

1) I'm an academic, I'm not an endocrinologist.

2) The research in male pattern baldness is quite poor, so we have to fill in the blanks which means a high possibility of being completely wrong.

I wonder how significant the link between low SHBG and baldness is and what causes it. I'd be curious to know this entire forum's SHBG level. Mine was 20 a year ago which is moderately below average and I've since increased it to 32.

I love sweet foods do. I'm not a diabetic, and it's a miracle that I'm not a diabetic. I have moderate acne.

What does ringworm have to do with anything?

I feel you about having body problems. I wish there was one aspect of me I could see in the mirror and think, "damn, yeah !" Having one or two great features would be a lifesaver ... think of girls who are otherwise average but just have nice breasts or nice legs? It works out for them. A couple people have told me I have good skin, maybe they're right.

I guess I have no allergies so that's good. But to be honest I'm afraid of undergoing rigorous allergy testing and then being told I have modest non-fatal allergies to gluten, tree nuts, fruits, everything else lol. It would fit in with the narrative of my life.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

How significant? Insignificant.

Try to find the posts of MisterE if they're still on the forum, he was advocating a 100% vegan diet to treat hair loss because it would affect SHBG.

He was banned eventually, after having created threads that ended up having dozens of pages and caused a lot of sufferers to lose ground because they thought "hey, maybe I don't need FDA-approved treatments, I like this SHBG theory!"

So seeing you mentioning this, I just find it scary. Don't forget that there are newbies visiting the forum and that they will look for the tiniest ray of hope.

I have not told anybody to avoid treatment nor have I told anybody to go vegan.

My signature says that accompanies every single one of my posts says that I take minoxidil, stemoxydine, ketoconazole, and RU 58851.

As for the newbies, they should stop smoking if they're smoking, and they should stop abusing alcohol if they're abusing it.

 

[Armando Jose]

Another stydy about twins and hairloss
Results. The intrapair correlation of degree of balding was consistently higher for monozygotic than for dizygotic twin
pairs regardless of the baldness categorization used, and structural-equation analysis revealed a heritability of 79% (95%
confidence interval, 0.40–0.85) for the mean baldness index. The remaining variation could be attributed to nonshared
environmental effects.
http://biomedgerontology.oxfordjournals.org/content/60/8/1077.full.pdf+html

 

[kveezy33]

Interesting, I know David has been interested in Intermittent Fasting, and it's something I've tried but I'm not committed to, and only for short periods like a day and a half.

Yeah, blockading a period of daily time for fasting is the current hot fitness trend. It has its benefits, but it pales in comparison to the benefits found in extended fasting. The human body has the ability to regenerate itself, but most people never access it because the switch is reliant on a particular hormonal profile achieved by nutrient deprivation.

“PKA is the key gene that needs to shut down in order for these stem cells to switch into regenerative mode. It gives the OK for stem cells to go ahead and begin proliferating and rebuild the entire system,” explained Longo, noting the potential of clinical applications that mimic the effects of prolonged fasting to rejuvenate the immune system. “And the good news is that the body got rid of the parts of the system that might be damaged or old, the inefficient parts, during the fasting. Now, if you start with a system heavily damaged by chemotherapy or aging, fasting cycles can generate, literally, a new immune system.”

https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers-stem-cell-regeneration-of-damaged-old-immune-system/

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Yeah, blockading a period of daily time for fasting is the current hot fitness trend. It has its benefits, but it pales in comparison to the benefits found in extended fasting. The human body has the ability to regenerate itself, but most people never access it because the switch is reliant on a particular hormonal profile achieved by nutrient deprivation.



https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers-stem-cell-regeneration-of-damaged-old-immune-system/

Where is the confirmation that a single 20-day fast gives you far more benefits than 20 individual 1-day fasts? Where is the thresshold?

There's a severe lack of evidence on the issue, since no profit can be made off fasting.

That article you link to discusses fasts of 2-4 days.