This is why I think hair cloning is still at least 8 years away in the most optimistic scenario

[Will Be an Egg in 5 years]

he was an average guy, models are handsome

I'd say above average facial features. I'm pretty sure he looks better than most of this forum.

 

[Will Be an Egg in 5 years]

i think most guys from forum are form usa

So? What difference does it make?

 

[werefckd]

You’re a whinging c*** yourself. you’re just sharing your pessimistic speculation.

You have no idea about what’s being developed in all countries and you don’t know what’s being developed under wraps.

We also can’t predict other innovations. And by we I mean you.

Keep your speculation to yourself.

Stop pissing on the party.
Feel free to keep posting about this new stemblah company that you think is the holy grail as they make announcements.

Otherwise this just becomes your crybaby rant spot as opposed to a forum about cutting edge technologies. It’s not called ‘whinging fags splurting their depressing drivel’ forum.

Make sense?

It's just my opinion and it's fine if you disagree with it. But eat least present a logical argument, with reasons, like I did. I understand your frustration (I even share it) but just calling people names doesn't add anything to the debate.

 

[MeDK]

there is no evidence that hair cloning works

Actually there is, but the question is also, what do you define as "hair cloning" ? lab grown hair follicles, or autologous "gene therapy" and "therapeutic cloning"?

There is a big difference in them all, and some have done proof of concept in humans, others still on animals, such like high density (225 hairfollicles pr cm2) where problems are like blood flow to such a high density. (hair transplant is maybe at 60 cm2 density)

 

[werefckd]

Hair isn't what makes Ashton more attractive than Bruce. Bruce was no model even when he had hair. Bald Ashton is still better looking than most guys.

I disagree. Bruce with hair was charming, and even if he never had the classic model look (and some women don't even prefer that), with hair he was competitive. As bald egg it is game over for him.

An egg head ruins your looks and steals your soul

Some people CAN pull the bald look ok (as long as they are not bald in the back of the head, which give you the energy of a 75 years old from behind) but if you are not one of them you are screwed.

 

[werefckd]

Could be a couple years, could be 20 years. Nobody knows. As far as the price goes, I don't care if the average person can afford it or not. If my hair were to get bad enough, like it was before treatment, then I'd pay the exorbitant price.

Nobody knows when, but it's possible to know when not, that's the point of the exercise of this thread, to make an educated guess.

With the info we have now we know for sure it won't be available in 2 years for example. My opinion is that unless a miracle happens or we get EXTREMELY lucky and some dark horse pops out of nowhere and beats all the odds, the most optimistic scenario is that we won't be able to get our hands in HC until 2028-2029. Could it take more? Probably yes.

 

[werefckd]

it wont happen in 8 years from now, Reputable doctor told me 50 years, it is extremely difficult taks, maybe Your children will benefit from that, we 1000000000% wont

That's why I said my scenario was the most optimistic one. Considering everything goes right with Stemson's research and they hit a home run

 

[werefckd]

Anybody is going to look ridiculous with no hair on top and a ring on the sides. You have to shave it all to look good. Bruce was already bald when he got Demi. If you're worried about your hair because of women then get off this site, women aren't as concerned with looks as men are. They just want you to dress nice. Sure, if you're trying to bang a bunch of college girls on Tinder then you need to look good, but if you are just looking for a girlfriend it's really not hard for any guy to find someone. Also, some people like Clooney may not look good bald, but other guys do. If you're bald you really have to be fit to look good.

Only if you are living in the 1950s. Today, in the age of social media women are as much demanding as men when it comes to looks. I've felt it in my own skin. I have a presence and always could pull good looking women in clubs or in dating apps, but as my hair loss progressed it started to get harder and harder, specially when I started losing in the crown area. Still not impossible to get a good piece of ***, but it has became an uphill battle.

And it's not only about women, we society as a whole judge people by their looks. And I want to get my hair back for the sake as myself as well. Hair is an organ, just like if I brake or loose a teeth I would get it fixed instead of walking around with roles in my mouth.

 

[werefckd]

If nothing works and you still want hair, get multiple transplants. Get a new transplant every 5 years, rape your donor zone, fck it.

The good news is that if your donor area is average you can take out about 10k grafts before making it look depleted if done right, and a good surgeon can give you a slick bald person a very good transformation with as low as 7K grafts. The hair transplant tech has evolved a lot in the last years.

 

[werefckd]

You won't have any more hair, I don't understand why the people from Stemson started playing something that doesn't make any sense?

Well they have a new approach to the problem that they want to try and respectable companies decided to invest a fair chunk of money on them. So let them try while we pray for the best. As hard as this problem is, I do think one day it will be solved.

 

[werefckd]

When approved they should have solved all their challenges. Or else the treatment can't be approved.

Look at Tsuji, took them 7 years to solve their chain supply problems. Its not something to think about when the treatment is approved. It is something that is a part of development. Same with the learning curve, that is what the trails are for, learning and get rid of those problems that might be under development.

But those 8 years, makes no sense. Its just like pulling a number out of the thin air and hope that it sticks. And you even write yourself that is only sticks if nothing happens, and still you write, there is always something happening for the delay. So the 8 years makes even less sense.

And Stemson isn't really the only one. Replicel is the one, that is actually doing human trails and moving forward.

I was talking more about the business challenges of calling operations up. As with any new tech, it will be an uphill battle in the first years. Also you bet the tech will suffer some interactions after it is launched. Dr. Terskikh talks about that too in the video I posted.

 

[werefckd]

Women can sense insecurity. They like confidence. I got less attention as I lost hair too, but I still got lots of attention even when I was almost totally bald. If you want hair for yourself then fine, I'm here for the same reason. So many guys use it as an excuse for not being able to get women when in fact they are just otherwise ugly or have ugly personalities. I despise such people.

Agree

 

[werefckd]

I don't pray because it doesn't make sense, but the solution will take not 10 years but 50 years, and what new approach does stemson have? they received several million from a wealthy company for which it is a drop in the ocean of their income

If you try to go around fundraising for 7.5 million dollars you will see that it is pretty damn hard even if you have a very good idea/background/track record. So you can be assured that if Allergan invested that volume of money in Stemson, it is because they think there is considerable chance that they succeed. They also understand the area well which is both a good indicator of Stemson's research and also increase the chances of a good outcome.

 

[werefckd]

ken washenik get money too, and we wll know how it ends....if they don't get something in a few years, they won't get a dollar more

Sure, getting money is not a guarantee of success in this area we know very well that by now. As a matter of fact, the odds are still stacked against Stemson, but they have a novel approach so let them try. A small chance is better than no chance at all and after Tsuji bailed out from Organ and the company went under we should be grateful there is still one horse in the race. So let Stemson do their run and let's see how far they can get.

 

[werefckd]

what new approach are you writing about?: D tsuji fucked up because the ship was sinking, I don't know where this youngjet had news of human trials, he had seen tsuji recently

Stemson is not trying to multiply dermal papilla cells directly, like Tsuji.

Their method is to first multiply iPSC then derive dermal papilla cells from it. According to the company it works better and they are the first to try this approach.

 

[werefckd]

Tsuji didnt too, how stemson know if this new hair will be dht resistant?

Ha good question

 

[werefckd]

Seriously? Ever seen a hair transplant? They are cloning hairs that are resistant to dht. If they culture those cells with dht they survive, so why wouldn't they survive in your scalp just like a normal transplant does? This speculation is really getting dumb. Instead of worrying about hair cloning get yourself some dutasteride and a dermapen.

I don't know where they are taking those iPSC from, but I don't think it's from hair. Technically they are not cloning hairs, they are creating new ones from scratch I believe. In that case, how to create a totally a new one that is resistant to DHT? It's an interesting question.

EDIT: so I read somwhere (not in Stemson's website) that iPSC can be taken from blood or skin. Maybe if they use the skin from the region that originally produced DHT resistant cells it could be a solution.

 

[werefckd]

I'm reading Stemson's press releases and studies authored by their authors.

The good thing is that the science behind what they ate doing/trying to do is very solid. They are also very transparent, posting on the internet well documented papers demonstrating their progress.

And their head of research, Dr. Terskikh is also a cofounder in the company, and this means a lot of skin in the game. He also does YT interviews and is pretty open to keep us updated about what's going on -- THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT PORSTURE FROM TSUJI.

Remember Tsuji didn't even want to participate in the Organ interview here at HairLossTalk.com back in 2016 sending one of his employees in his place instead. He also has a full head of hair and since leaving Organ he only cares about basic research and posing for pictures smiling using funny ties to be used in generic PR articles.

Not to mention, Terskikh is balding hard like the rest of us haha.

Terskikh > Tsuji - all day and every day

 

[werefckd]

Alexey is eager to talk because he hopes it will work, we will see in 5 years if he will be so eager to interview: D besides, I wrote a message to him once, no answer for several months

Man it's a good thing that he is not answering messages from randos like you and me on the internet. Dude must be very busy and that is a good thing.

I agree with your other point, but even 5 years ago Tsuji wouldn't do interviews.

 

[werefckd]

What are you going to say when the trial begins? They didn't partner with Tissuse just to sit on their butts. They will be doing a human trial before anyone else. If it works then they will be first to market, possibly within a couple years. Stemson is likely over 10 years away. By that point I will have long since had a transplant and stopped caring

It's good to have a wild card like Tissuse that could surprise us all out of the blue. But realistic speaking, what are the odds of something that is basically a side project of a company focused on other things, that never went past the in vitro phase, actually winning this race? I have almost no hope for what they are doing. Would love to be surprised though.