This is why I think hair cloning is still at least 8 years away in the most optimistic scenario

[werefckd]

Also, Stemson's research is way ahead of Tissuse's. Tissuse may look closer to release something only because they are trying to cut a lot of corners in the process (which is not working so far)

 

[werefckd]

Could You explain why stemson is a way ahead of tissuse?

Because they have moved past the petri dish stage and already have formed real hairs in living beings (mice).

It's just speculation of my part, but I bet if they wanted to use all the shortcuts possible like Tissuse and start a small scale human trial in Japan they could do it soon too.

 

[werefckd]

Tissuse is 50/50

more like 1/99

 

[HeatVision]

Human progress comes in waves. We are at the era of smartphones and VR. Hair cloning in general will take time. 10 years is optimistic, reachable but optimistic at this point. 20 years seems more like a reality. You have to realize what it will mean for humanity in general to have perfect cloning of any organ. People with CKD can live normal lives. Type 1 diabetics can have new pancreases. People with liver disease can live again. Cancer can be dealt with by taking a diseased organ and replacing it. Eventually, dying people can just replace parts and live again.

That sounds so far in the future. But who knows when the first step that next era comes.

 

[HeatVision]

haha i repeat their words only, imo is one chance on milion that they deliver a cure

I don't get both of you. You and werefckd. You are already skeptical of these things and yet you keep a close eye on these projects.

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

I really don't care for your people's opinion pieces. If I visit this board I'd like to read news.

 

[HeatVision]

you have to be an idiot like some here on the forum to believe all this cloning: D how can stemson get dht resistant hair follicles from blood?

I'm not even familiar with the treatment you are talking about. It just boggles me that you still keep track of it even though you have repeatedly said you don't believe there's a chance. I don't know as much of this as you do.

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

and I laugh at how some people get excited at every word of tsuji stemson or others, and they actually do research for the sake of research, not finding a cure. Tsuji and Stemson have bald guys in the *** and that's the truth

I don't get exited anymore more but their words are actually worth a flickering and transient moment of interest unlike the bro science and headcanon from someone who is less than a nobody in the field.
Especially since you are not the only one who has these revealing, redpilled and super smart thoughts he wants to share with the community. We get these reitarative 'truth bombs' several times every week, for years if not decades. Not a single one of you managed to say anything new or interesting, it just gets tiring.

 

[werefckd]

Youngjet, lol, it always gets pathetic at the end

 

[NorwoodGuardian]

I'm not even familiar with the treatment you are talking about. It just boggles me that you still keep track of it even though you have repeatedly said you don't believe there's a chance. I don't know as much of this as you do.

Jan has the highest hope among us, otherwise he wouldn't have been the most active participant recently.

 

[werefckd]

you have to be an idiot like some here on the forum to believe all this cloning: D how can stemson get dht resistant hair follicles from blood?

They probably can't. From an 2017 interview (credit to HLC2020: https://www.hairlosscure2020.com/interview-with-dr-alexey-terskikh/)

HLC2020: Is this a one-time treatment for patients, or a lifelong commitment requiring X number of visits per year?

Dr. Terskikh: Good question. Initial success is usually last for several years, but due to the ongoing loss the transplantation procedures is likely to be repeated every 5-10 years. That’s where we get the best edge.

It would be a pain in the @ss having to reimplant dozens of thousand cloned grafts every 5-10 years, and very expensive too.

Still beats being bald though.

EDIT: Terskikh talked 5-10 years but he probably really has no clue. Imagine if because of DHT the "cloned" hairs starts to shed just days after being implanted. LOL. That is a real possibility with their approach.

 

[werefckd]

The dream scenario:

J Hewitt starts clinical trials of the Tissuse treatment very soon and everything goes perfect and they hit a homerun.

And/or Stemson starts clinical trials by the end of next year (don't know how than can do that without animal testing, but we are talking about dream scenario here) and everything goes perfect.

In that case in 3-5 years we could have some cloned hair on our scalps

 

[MeDK]

tissuse didnt do animal testing too, the problem with stemson is that they cant create dht resistant hair, as I wrote before, if cloning does not take place within 5 years, there will be no customers for it after 2025. young people will have better methods to slow down the process of baldness, and the elderly will have different priorities than hair. If billionaires were anxious to find a cure, Jeff Bezos would not have been bald as a knee for a long time. Tsuji has always wanted to clone hair as a prelude to more complex organs, and if Stemson doesn't start human trials soon he has no use doing more research

the approach with tissue is they want their human on a chip technology approved, so there is no need for animal testing, and do "shortcuts" that way.

its pretty well documented TissUse Technology

 

[Mighty]

Well, I am glad my children might be able to use/afford this treatment.

Is there anyone here optimistic about hair cloning yet? I am totally lost in the progress of Tsuji and others (thank you finasteride!), but the titles from the threads seem a bit depressive.


Guys, I will enter in my 30s next year... I will say this again: don't wait for miracles.... Try finasteride, duda, hair transplant, anything to keep your hair... I decided to get another graduation degree and I have been walking with many women in their 18-22 years old. I am one the few men around my age in the university that is actually fit (I have my 6-pack) and has most of his hair (Norwood 1.5). It is always cool to see the reaction of the ppl and women when I say my age. Have a younger woman hitting on me is always reassuring. And is just as fun watching ppl that used to be hot get fatter and lose their hair (yeah... universal justice for an average guy -. -).

The point is... Hair is useful to maintain your confidence. Losing your hair might not mean that much in the end of the road, but if you manage to keep it, it will be one less stone in your path.

 

[werefckd]

Well, I am glad my children might be able to use/afford this treatment.

Is there anyone here optimistic about hair cloning yet? I am totally lost in the progress of Tsuji and others (thank you finasteride!), but the titles from the threads seem a bit depressive.


Guys, I will enter in my 30s next year... I will say this again: don't wait for miracles.... Try finasteride, duda, hair transplant, anything to keep your hair... I decided to get another graduation degree and I have been walking with many women in their 18-22 years old. I am one the few men around my age in the university that is actually fit (I have my 6-pack) and has most of his hair (Norwood 1.5). It is always cool to see the reaction of the ppl and women when I say my age. Have a younger woman hitting on me is always reassuring. And is just as fun watching ppl that used to be hot get fatter and lose their hair (yeah... universal justice for an average guy -. -).

The point is... Hair is useful to maintain your confidence. Losing your hair might not mean that much in the end of the road, but if you manage to keep it, it will be one less stone in your path.

Nice positive attitude. If I was a Norwood 1.5 I would be very positive too. Hell, I wouldn't even be browsing websites like this.

 

[Mighty]

Nice positive attitude. If I was a Norwood 1.5 I would be very positive too. Hell, I wouldn't even be browsing websites like this.

I don't look at such forums anymore. Just few times drying the year, unless I am bored. I was NW2 actually, but I had an excellent response to Finasteride. And my hair is very thick, which means I have more hair volume.

But it would be nice to know that I wouldn't have to take finasteride ever again. It is a boring ritual.

 

[jamesbooker1975]

The head of research of Stemson, the only legitimate dog in the race as of now, just said that they're still 3-4 years away AT LEAST from delivering something to the clinic (source). We are not sure if by "delivering to the clinic" he meant clinical trials or commercial release, but let's assume their research will succeed (and that's a huge IF) and that they will be able to commercially release something in 5 years optimistically.

So does it mean we will be able to clone our donor hairs in 5 years? NO!

There will be HUGE waiting lines and the scalling up of the operations will take years.

No chance for the regular bald dude of getting their hands on HC in the first year. To give you an example, the best/most demanded hair transplant surgeons of today have a waiting line of close to 2 years. TWO years. And we are talking about regular hair transplants here, nothing miraculous.

Imagine the demand size once HC gets "available", it will be huge, much larger than the supply. And on the supply side there will be lots of challenges related to logistics (remember cells will be multiplied in labs), learning curve, mistakes, training people etc.

So it's certain that the waiting line for HC once its launched will be longer than of the best hair transplant today. Let's assume it will take 3 years.

5 + 3 = 8 years. Boom. And this timeframe is assuming there won't be any setbacks with Stemson (and you know there will be). Sorry fellow baldies.

so ?!

 

[werefckd]

so ?!

so we'refukt

 

[jamesbooker1975]

so we'refukt

so?

 

[Mighty]

SO said there is nothing exciting on the horizon. This must be the first time in years I enter this forum and there is no feeling of hope from even the most optimistic guy. Last year, when I visited the forum, Tsuji was "almost being released"... At least ppl are becoming more realistic.

Hehehe It seems a lot of ppl lost hope after the Brotzu lotion fiasco.