Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

[sportsguy97]

hair loss cure will never come from the community, even if somebody did sth that does indeed sth.
Freedom of speech counteracts information collection.
I hope you all understand.

@hairDespair minoxidil on wounded area increases absorption for sure. few years and back to baseline situation is with normal absorption.

Hope your not referring to the pics you briefly posted yesterday. I saw them by the way your 11 month result was incredible. Just hope you weren't forced to take them down. They were definitely motivating. But i do agree i think its tough. I'm not referring to this site, but i think if the cure really came out alot of people that profit off the hairloss industry would lose money, and it scares them into bashing others. Its like anything else in life though. People put money ahead of helping others.

Also for everyone else........


I'm into weight training and visit the bodybuilding site occasionally and came across this as i was curious if anyone there had ever tried this. No pics, but another positive anecdote. Just wanted to share.


https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=174137571&pagenumber=


If you scroll down you can see the post. But i'll quote it anyway. (whole quote from the post in bold). Obviously the use of 10% minoxidil comes into play, but just again shows their are a ton of variables.


"Microneedle your scalp once per week with 1.5mm dermaroller. Apply minoxidil 10% morning and evening (not right after microneedling). You will have nearly all of your hair back. Tried with myself and showed maybe a dozen other dudes. 100% success rate.


Buy some finasteride powder and you win ever more. Take 0.2mg/day. It's effective and has no sides unlike the 5mg per day ****."

 

[WMQ]

If you were thorough, applied mild pressure, did several passes, etc. and you still didn't see redness, this could be due to the fibrosis. People have seen bits of blood and more extended redness after some sessions because the fibrosis is gradually reduced after each session.
Regardless, we're all different. Some people see redness easily, others get to a pinkish color and that's it. Some people say 2 mm is relaxing. Some say they would never do 2 mm cause 1.5 mm already hurt them like hell.
Keep it up and tell us if you notice anything.
Good luck!

Quite the contrary my friend. I realize that my post might be slightly misleading so to give you an idea of my situation, I'm a classic male pattern baldness pattern diffuse thinner with hairline recession on low dose finasteride + minoxidil. My hairline is quite bad but overall density still at full head level. While I do think fibrosis is present I don't think it's that bad yet as I don't have a bald spot on top.

To follow up on my previous observation, I realized last night that two hours after my needling session, the very mild redness already faded away and my scalp appears to be HEALTHIER than before. My non male pattern baldness scalp looks white-ish, while the balding areas are more yellow-brownish, obviously due to chronic inflammation. Two hours after the session, my balding scalp looked closer to the non balding part. This likely wasn't in my head as right out of the session they looked slightly redish like I said before which was hard to be mistaken.

My scalp feels amazing after needling. It feels more like what it was when I was a teenager. The last time I did it, this faded away in 2-3 days. After 4 days it felt like before needling. I'm wondering if I should increase my needling frequency? I really enjoyed the anti inflammatory effect from it. Also wondering if my physiology is different judging by how hard it is to get redness and how fast it faded away. Anyway I'm just posting as much info as I can since it would be helpful for someone with comparable experience to chime in and share.

 

[sportsguy97]

Quite the contrary my friend. I realize that my post might be slightly misleading so to give you an idea of my situation, I'm a classic male pattern baldness pattern diffuse thinner with hairline recession on low dose finasteride + minoxidil. My hairline is quite bad but overall density still at full head level. While I do think fibrosis is present I don't think it's that bad yet as I don't have a bald spot on top.

To follow up on my previous observation, I realized last night that two hours after my needling session, the very mild redness already faded away and my scalp appears to be HEALTHIER than before. My non male pattern baldness scalp looks white-ish, while the balding areas are more yellow-brownish, obviously due to chronic inflammation. Two hours after the session, my balding scalp looked closer to the non balding part. This likely wasn't in my head as right out of the session they looked slightly redish like I said before which was hard to be mistaken.

My scalp feels amazing after needling. It feels more like what it was when I was a teenager. The last time I did it, this faded away in 2-3 days. After 4 days it felt like before needling. I'm wondering if I should increase my needling frequency? I really enjoyed the anti inflammatory effect from it. Also wondering if my physiology is different judging by how hard it is to get redness and how fast it faded away. Anyway I'm just posting as much info as I can since it would be helpful for someone with comparable experience to chime in and share.

Was just going to actually post something similar. Around the areas i have hair its definitely more white. Like its getting thicker, scalp getting tougher. Balding areas (hairline) there is definitely something going on but much slower.

As for inflammation. Years ago when i had finasteride sides i started Intermittent fasting. I've been doing it a couple years now. Fasting is very useful in combatting inflammation, there are a couple of studies online that prove this, one famous one being the Ramadan study. If you read around, people with acne and arthritis have cured or helped their symptoms with periods of fasting. Some anecdotes even say it helped with hair. To be fair, you'll see some where they say "hair shed", but who knows that could be a good thing and people just freak out.

I haven't really gained anything from minoxidil and IF over the years, but i haven't really lost either. I believe IF has helped somewhat. Usually i'll stop eating 8-10 pm the night before and not eat lunch until 1pm next day. Def feel healthier overall. I still am also able to eat enough throughout the day, and my hormone panel looks great.

I'm also taking fish oil, and maybe will add occasional nizoral. My goal is to rid the body of as much inflammation as possible, create a good environment and then let needling and minoxidil do that work. Again the beauty of this needling this is there are several different approaches i think we can all try.

 

[NilesCrane]

Damn 11 sessions in already, approaching three months

 

[Francesco17]

Damn 11 sessions in already, approaching three months

Any regrowth so far?

 

[ToLGuy]

perfect hypothesis, (if any hypothesis could be perfect)

I really appreciate all of your comments and your contributions. We are all very pleased of your presence here. However, I think I haven't got a clear answer to the question that I (along a few other guys here) asked as soon as I realized you were back. The question is: have you maintained your gains?
I know there is no "cure", I just want to know if needling indeed works in the long term. This question is important because most of us know that minoxidil and in some cases finasteride as well start to lose the battle against hairloss progression. We still don't know how well microneedling performs in the long term because there are very few long term needlers out there who can tell us their status. Your status report would be of great help to us. I am not asking for pics, I understand u don't want to be banned. I just want to know whether you have kept your gains or not.
Cheers, and thanks again, buddy.

 

[hairloss_user]

I really appreciate all of your comments and your contributions. We are all very pleased of your presence here. However, I think I haven't got a clear answer to the question that I (along a few other guys here) asked as soon as I realized you were back. The question is: have you maintained your gains?
I know there is no "cure", I just want to know if needling indeed works in the long term. This question is important because most of us know that minoxidil and in some cases finasteride as well start to lose the battle against hairloss progression. We still don't know how well microneedling performs in the long term because there are very few long term needlers out there who can tell us their status. Your status report would be of great help to us. I am not asking for pics, I understand u don't want to be banned. I just want to know whether you have kept your gains or not.
Cheers, and thanks again, buddy.

I agree. It would be great if you could answer these very simple questions. You're not going to get banned for that. Just don't post any bloody pictures.

1. Are you still needling?

2. What are you needling with?

3. What depth?

4. How often do you needle?

5. Do you still go for blood, or do you just achieve redness?

6. Have you mainted your gains?

7. Is your hair still improving?

8. Do you take any type of medication or minoxidil?

 

[NilesCrane]

Any regrowth so far?

I believe I got some vellus hairs on my temples, not sure if that was due to the needing. Otherwise no other cosmetic improvement. Not on minoxidil BTW, might be what's not giving me faster results

 

[sportsguy97]

Obviously I can’t speak for him. But I did see a 11 month photo he posted yesterday and for whatever reason had to take down. Even More impressive than I thought.
Practically full head of hair.

I am curious as to how often he now rolls once he got his hair back and if he maintained.

I think he has implied in the past he can’t really talk about is as much as he wants. I could be totally wrong though.

 

[hairloss_user]

Obviously I can’t speak for him. But I did see a 11 month photo he posted yesterday and for whatever reason had to take down. Even More impressive than I thought.
Practically full head of hair.

I am curious as to how often he now rolls once he got his hair back and if he maintained.

I think he has implied in the past he can’t really talk about is as much as he wants. I could be totally wrong though.

I don't see why though? We're all on the same boat and should help eachother.

 

[Francesco17]

I believe I got some vellus hairs on my temples, not sure if that was due to the needing. Otherwise no other cosmetic improvement. Not on minoxidil BTW, might be what's not giving me faster results

Absolutely. Are you using anything else at all? I am using essential oils instead of minoxidil

 

[WMQ]

Was just going to actually post something similar. Around the areas i have hair its definitely more white. Like its getting thicker, scalp getting tougher. Balding areas (hairline) there is definitely something going on but much slower.

I noticed the same thing.

Where I still have hair, it looks whiter afterwards. On the hairline where I'm bald, it remains red. My hairline on one side is particularly bad and its scalp appearance really is horrible afterwards. I actually did needling months ago on hairline only and that horrible look was the reason I stopped. I have a feeling that it will benefit overall scalp health but won't be enough to stop my aggressive recession

 

[sportsguy97]

I don't see why though? We're all on the same boat and should help eachother.

I’m not sure. Again I’m trying to read between the lines with his posts. I could be totally wrong and don’t want to speak for him. Regardless his coming back with information he has provided is very helpful.

I noticed the same thing.

Where I still have hair, it looks whiter afterwards. On the hairline where I'm bald, it remains red. My hairline on one side is particularly bad and its scalp appearance really is horrible afterwards. I actually did needling months ago on hairline only and that horrible look was the reason I stopped. I have a feeling that it will benefit overall scalp health but won't be enough to stop my aggressive recession

Again who knows. I still think even the people with the best results it took a couple months to show... but the finished product took a bit longer.

At the end of the day we have something here that has proven alone it can stop and regrow hair with some people. We need more long term data.... and we need people to keep trying out different approaches with microneedling. That’s why I think it’s important to stick with it.

The thing that also makes me optimistic is the science is there.

 

[whatevr]

2 potential ways to improve wounding:

1) Inhibit DKK-1
Experimental expression of a secreted WNT antagonist, Dkk1, blocks new hair follicles from forming in the wound area. Wound closure by new epidermis is not affected by the inhibition of WNT, indicating that early recruitment of cells to the wound site is independent of WNT.
(source: https://academic.oup.com/hmg/article/17/R1/R54/693639)

How to do it: magnesium ascorbyl phosphate + MSM (or liposomal magnesium ascorbyl phosphate) or L-threonate
(L-ascorbic acid 2-phosphate represses the dihydrotestosterone-induced dickkopf-1 expression in human balding dermal papilla cells.)
(Preventable effect of L-threonate, an ascorbate metabolite, on androgen-driven balding via repression of dihydrotestosterone-induced dickkopf-1 expression in human hair dermal papilla cells.)


2) Boost Sonic Hedgehog (SHH) signalling:
Here, we identify that activation of the Sonic hedgehog (Shh) pathway reinstalls a regenerative dermal niche, called dermal papilla, which is required and sufficient for HF neogenesis (HFN). ...
...healing of large skin excisions in mice has been shown to recapitulate aspects of true tissue regeneration in the formation of new HFs (HF neogenesis, HFN) thus providing a rare example of mammalian epimorphic regeneration11,12,13. ...
we reveal that Shh signaling plays a major role in converting wound fibroblasts from scar promoting, to those that stimulate HFN. ...
...Shh signaling is essential for wound-induced HF neogenesis...
(source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-07142-9)

How to do it: chitosan
(Hair growth-promoting activities of chitosan and surface-deacetylated chitin nanofibers)

 

[infinitepain]

The itch is a bastard, you know it’s shedding occurring.

Could you possibly help me

 

[infinitepain]

5 sessions is too soon...

for what it’s worth I’ve had a transplant and wish i hadn’t... no matter how many transplants you get it will bite you in the *** if you can’t maintain the hair you have with finasteride.

And sadly for me I couldn’t and my crown is catching up.

That said I had a transplant taking a bet that at some point in the future sciebce will give me another option.

This might be it. Six / seven years on!!!!

So just remember you’re not even needling if you don’t get an even wounding spread and you don’t needle at 1.5mm minimum.

Oh and google balding blog and check out failed FUE procedures. Don’t go anywhere near Turkey!!!

Most dermapens i've seen market their product as effective for hairloss at 0,3mm

Why are people using 1,5mm needles, and what research do we have long term to know that we will not inflict too much inflammation and thus worsen things up?

 

[albert]

Most dermapens i've seen market their product as effective for hairloss at 0,3mm

Why are people using 1,5mm needles, and what research do we have long term to know that we will not inflict too much inflammation and thus worsen things up?

Because we have studies that have used that depth and people who have successfully used those. No long-term research done, this is just experimental.

 

[Bill_Russo]

Yo, welcome back @FrenchMoustache!

I'm leaving a link to the old microneedling thread, for those who may've missed it: https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/new-dermaroller-study-thoughts-comments.69374/

 

[FCKW36]

253 pages and you want to tell me that nobody sticked to this treatment in the past?

 

[Bill_Russo]

253 pages and you want to tell me that nobody sticked to this treatment in the past?

Correctamundo. Wanna know why? Because those dudes were stopping at 12 weeks like the Indian study did, which is what they were following.

 

[hairloss_user]

Thing is most in that thread don't seem to be active anymore, so we won't know.