Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

[mooreu]

Last night I used my Derminator 2 for the fifth time. I've used both the 9 & 12 needles and the 12 is far superior. My first pass was on medium speed and my second was on high. There was a fair amount of blood but the pain was minimal. I covered the temporal areas as well.

 

[mooreu]

As I said, I analyzed some pictures so as not to rely on other people's statements. The responders who posted photos had at least vellus around 2 months and first noticeable terminal hair around 4 months, a few people even noticeable terminal hair growth around 3 months.

That's why I decided that, if I don't get even new vellus by the time the responders whose photos I could assess got new terminal hair, that either I'm doing something wrong or that it's not working for me.

While the vast majority of people will not have noticeable growth you ought to recognize that maintaining is a win.

 

[layabout]

Btw, heads up guys...

You know that if you get regrowth using the Derminator2 that you can e-mail them your before and after pictures and they'll refund you the device. They do this because it costs less than them having to actually make promotional stuff.

Also, if you use it on your face, and your acne/skin clears up you can send them pics as well to get your 200 back

 

[bigjimmy]

"show that, unfortunately, it is also possible with dilligent rolling not to have any effects after 2 months, not even new vellus" < Rolling itself won't help much. Minoxidil is as important as rolling in the two studies.

Take some time to read both studies. It helps a lot to understand how you can replicate the method and what is really happening:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746236/
docdroid.net/Q4cnC2V/101080-at-1476417220171376094.pdf#page=13

You are not doing it like they did in the studies and that's maybe why you can't see early results like many others on here (and outside this website). Wounding alone or Minoxidil alone don't give much results (you will have to wait a lot more with wounding alone or rapidly lose a lot of new hair with minoxidil alone). It's the combination of both treatments that seems to work well (for whatever reason; it remains to be explained). The problem is that you are using Minoxidil only once a day. If you use minoxidil only once a day, then you should expect lower results or/and you will have to wait longer (that's my understanding).

What they did in the studies:
Lenght of the needles: 1.5mm or 2mm (Indian study: once a week at the beginning, then every two week / Chinese study: every two week) / Minoxidil: 1ml, twice a day.
For the Indian study they used a dermaroller and for the Chinese study they used a dermapen.

First little results were seen after 6 weeks (Quote from the Indian study: "Initiation of new hair growth was noticeable by around 6 weeks in Microneedling group and by 10 weeks in Minoxidil group."). You are at week 8. Only 9 sessions in, with minoxidil once a day. Your case sounds very normal.

You have to be more patient if you only use Minoxidil once a day. Also, if you can (some people can't, so it's up to you to decide), use Minoxidil twice a day. Then, maybe, your head will show vellus and hair more rapidly.

With what you are doing, you can't compare your very own case with the others, I think.

Good to see you back French dude.

 

[Drextez]

This thread should be locked right now and re=opened in 6 months when we all have our nw0s back @layabout I agree

 

[Drextez]

I see this is the wound healing process. What wounding frequency would you recommend? Also, does that mean we should take 1-2 years breaks? im confused @2young2retire

 

[sportsguy97]

Hello all, first time posting. I'm a diffuse thinner. Originally tried finasteride years ago, got bad sides that persisted for a couple years. I was also taking minoxidil, still using it till this day. So been using for about 7-8 years now along with an anti inflammatory approach (which i'll explain more in a future post) Probably have maintained what i've had.

Started derma pen a couple weeks ago. about 3-4 sessions in and i am excited. Definitely something going on. Scalp feels tighter, has more color. New vellus and terminal hairs popping up all over. I'll take pics down the line a couple of weeks/months if things continue to progress.

Again this is exciting because 1. People are getting results. 2. There are confirmed studies that have worked for alot of subjects. 3. A world renown company is using wounding as their main approach.

That being said i think this could work for everyone but there are still alot of variables to consider. Wounding depth, frequency, topicals used, other meds used, diet. Who's to say someone who doesn't get early results doesn't get them doing this consistently for a year or two. Maybe using 2.0mm once a month would be more beneficial to certain people. We don't know..... but this is exciting. As many on here have said, 3 months, 6 months, 1-2 years. Who cares just be patient.

 

[Meeee199]

Does dermarolling on its own maintain or is it just used for regrowing hair?

 

[WMQ]

I just did my second whole scalp session at 1.75 mm on fast with derminator, and it hurt like hell. I did my first full scalp session 1.5 on medium speed and the difference this time is huge. On fast speed it feels like a machine gun firing at my scalp. However after running the hand unit on each scalp area in 3 different directions (not strictly horizental/vertical/diagonal but tried to have different directions), my scalp still is not too red and definitely no bleeding at all. This makes me wonder if I should be needling harder, do more passes each time? I have to stress that it did hurt like mad though especially at hairline, but scalp simply did not appear too red at all, only mildly so which is weird.

Anyone else care to share some experience on that?

 

[MinervaCGI]

Stop feeding the troll!

Kagaho told us about prettfly in the Follica thread who did not get result from dermarolling and minoxidil for 1 whole year and only then it started to get better for him.

He was NW6!

We have seen enough results for us to at least try this.

Just make a f*****g commitment for at least 1.5 years and give it a go regardless of what the troll says because you literally have nothing to lose.

The only way you lose is if you don't try.

 

[MinervaCGI]

"show that, unfortunately, it is also possible with dilligent rolling not to have any effects after 2 months, not even new vellus" < Rolling itself won't help much. Minoxidil is as important as rolling in the two studies.

Take some time to read both studies. It helps a lot to understand how you can replicate the method and what is really happening:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746236/
docdroid.net/Q4cnC2V/101080-at-1476417220171376094.pdf#page=13

You are not doing it like they did in the studies and that's maybe why you can't see early results like many others on here (and outside this website). Wounding alone or Minoxidil alone don't give much results (you will have to wait a lot more with wounding alone or rapidly lose a lot of new hair with minoxidil alone). It's the combination of both treatments that seems to work well (for whatever reason; it remains to be explained). The problem is that you are using Minoxidil only once a day. If you use minoxidil only once a day, then you should expect lower results or/and you will have to wait longer (that's my understanding).

What they did in the studies:
Lenght of the needles: 1.5mm or 2mm (Indian study: once a week at the beginning, then every two week / Chinese study: every two week) / Minoxidil: 1ml, twice a day.
For the Indian study they used a dermaroller and for the Chinese study they used a dermapen.

First little results were seen after 6 weeks (Quote from the Indian study: "Initiation of new hair growth was noticeable by around 6 weeks in Microneedling group and by 10 weeks in Minoxidil group."). You are at week 8. Only 9 sessions in, with minoxidil once a day. Your case sounds very normal.

You have to be more patient if you only use Minoxidil once a day. Also, if you can (some people can't, so it's up to you to decide), use Minoxidil twice a day. Then, maybe, your head will show vellus and hair more rapidly.

With what you are doing, you can't compare your very own case with the others, I think.

He should just use a higher dose if he wants to use minoxidil once a day because I've heard people say that they get a shed if they shift back to once a day.

He should never compare himself to another person on the same protocol because every one responds differently.

 

[MinervaCGI]

Use this as your motivation and just keep wounding for a set period of time. I suggest a period of 1-1.5 years

 

[hairDespair]

I still wonder how long these minoxidil hairs will last. Would suck if the wounding just makes them more likely to sprout, but still fall out to baseline in a few years like how I read minoxidil does

 

[kiwi666]

I still wonder how long these minoxidil hairs will last. Would suck if the wounding just makes them more likely to sprout, but still fall out to baseline in a few years like how I read minoxidil does

Yawn...

 

[2young2retire]

hair loss cure will never come from the community, even if somebody did sth that does indeed sth.
Freedom of speech counteracts information collection.
I hope you all understand.

@hairDespair minoxidil on wounded area increases absorption for sure. few years and back to baseline situation is with normal absorption.

 

[thetdog666]

Thought i would put up some baseline pics ( after 2 sessions with derma pen). First pic is left temple, second pic is the right one. WIll try and get similar lighting / angles in maybe 4 months time. Also ordered a microscope yesterday off amazon so will try get some zoomed in pics and put them up as well.

 

[2young2retire]

different markers aid in different ways, we all have different genes. it is a multi-plane and timed response per individual. I would give two scenarios the most credit.
a) wound normally and wait till redness go away and then wound again before inflammation settles. micromanage the inflammation for the beneficial factors associated with its acute phase.
b)wound maybe more and give 30 days, this way you will get all the benefits of angiogenesis, collagen etc.

now there should be a new method out here. isn't it obvious?
wound healing factors are associated with timed windows, therefore cycling of different windows before re-damaging might make even more sense. Why get the benefit of acute inflammation only? why not mix it with other beneficial markers(collagen deposition)?
At this point, you all must separate chronic inflammation(Androgenetic Alopecia) with acute inflammation and its benefits.
there you have it. I can't even answer your question.

I see this is the wound healing process. What wounding frequency would you recommend? Also, does that mean we should take 1-2 years breaks? im confused @2young2retire

 

[Bill_Russo]

I just did my second whole scalp session at 1.75 mm on fast with derminator, and it hurt like hell. I did my first full scalp session 1.5 on medium speed and the difference this time is huge. On fast speed it feels like a machine gun firing at my scalp. However after running the hand unit on each scalp area in 3 different directions (not strictly horizental/vertical/diagonal but tried to have different directions), my scalp still is not too red and definitely no bleeding at all. This makes me wonder if I should be needling harder, do more passes each time? I have to stress that it did hurt like mad though especially at hairline, but scalp simply did not appear too red at all, only mildly so which is weird.

Anyone else care to share some experience on that?

If you were thorough, applied mild pressure, did several passes, etc. and you still didn't see redness, this could be due to the fibrosis. People have seen bits of blood and more extended redness after some sessions because the fibrosis is gradually reduced after each session.
Regardless, we're all different. Some people see redness easily, others get to a pinkish color and that's it. Some people say 2 mm is relaxing. Some say they would never do 2 mm cause 1.5 mm already hurt them like hell.
Keep it up and tell us if you notice anything.
Good luck!

 

[albert]

@hairDespair minoxidil on wounded area increases absorption for sure. few years and back to baseline situation is with normal absorption.

I want to speculate a bit, so this means I’m making this up. We know that in many or almost all cases Minoxidil gains will go away, specially if nothing is done regarding DHT, subsequent fibrosis and other factors. But let’s (again speculate with cherrypicked data) that wounding helps with fibrosis, enhances collagen creation... in general, creates a better environment for hair survival. Then, it *might* happen that Minoxidil gains aren’t lost over time because the overall situation isn’t worse (or not much worse) than when you started, so perhaps it does help to maintain (compared to, let’s say, Minoxidil alone without any companion treatment).

Only one way to know for sure...

 

[2young2retire]

perfect hypothesis, (if any hypothesis could be perfect)

I want to speculate a bit, so this means I’m making this up. We know that in many or almost all cases Minoxidil gains will go away, specially if nothing is done regarding DHT, subsequent fibrosis and other factors. But let’s (again speculate with cherrypicked data) that wounding helps with fibrosis, enhances collagen creation... in general, creates a better environment for hair survival. Then, it *might* happen that Minoxidil gains aren’t lost over time because the overall situation isn’t worse (or not much worse) than when you started, so perhaps it does help to maintain (compared to, let’s say, Minoxidil alone without any companion treatment).

Only one way to know for sure...