Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

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Newbie here. Wife of subject and now drafted to be dermaroller practitioner on said subject ;)

I'm a HUGE over researcher. I found dermarolling for my own use for lines/wrinkles/skin tone, etc, then stumbled on it for hair loss. DH is a non-responder to minoxidil, hair loss is still getting worse, but still uses it daily. I've read a bunch of this thread now and I just really, really question using anything but the dermarolling alone. I know that seems counter-intuitive, but hear me out.

Dermatologists have a LOT of money to lose if dermarolling alone works for fine lines and even deep wrinkles, not to mention acne scarring. They invest like $100k in machines and have to recoup their losses. They also need patients in the door, so they have to create NEED. If everyone can kind of dramatically improve their aging faces at home ... for maybe $20 ... well that's a problem. Less plastic surgeries, less in-office peels, less $, less everything. So now everyone's talking about the vampire facial, which is basically dermarolling with PCP. They are also getting into dermarolling with radiofrequency, and yes, that's yet another machine for them to buy (one version: Profound). There are NO controlled studies that I've found yet that show a drastic difference using PCP, and the docs can charge upwards of $1000 a session for dermarolling plus pcp.

Now take it to the hair loss arena. The one study that showed rolling alone and rolling with minoxidil - and the result was the top two rated results equaled out between the two. Showed no real advantage to minoxidil. I used to be a drug rep and I know how this game works, especially on the cosmetic improvement side of derm and plastic surgeon's offices.

Anyone else have thoughts/ideas on this? Doesn't it make sense that cosmetic doctors of all kinds have to create a NEED, especially if dermarolling works as well by itself as they're seeing? And let's not forget the companies that make minoxidil under different labels.

The only study I know of that compared rolling alone and rolling with minoxidil showed a massive advantage to using minoxidil. Group 2 was the microneedling only group, while group 3 used microneedling with minoxidil.

METHODS:
Randomized subjects received topical 5% minoxidil (group 1, n = 20), local electrodynamic microneedle treatments (group 2, n = 20), or local electrodynamic microneedle treatments plus topical 5% minoxidil (group 3, n = 20).

RESULTS:
The mean improvement in total hair density from baseline to 24 weeks was 18.8/cm2 in group 1, 23.4/cm2 in group 2, and 38.3/cm2 in group 3.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29028377
 

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Well thanks for that! Okay that's one study that showed best results with mcn plus minoxidil. Interestingly, no studies show better result with the expensive, in-office pcp.
 

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At now 7 months of 1.75mm once per week, I am changing to 1mm once per week. Zero results, in fact maybe a little worse off than last November.
1.75mm made me bleed quite a lot, I think that is causing scarring which is worsening the problem not helping it.
I strongly recommend anyone reading to consult with a skin specialist before starting this 'treatment'. The last thing you want to do is create microscopic scar tissue which will be there FOREVER.
 

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At now 7 months of 1.75mm once per week, I am changing to 1mm once per week. Zero results, in fact maybe a little worse off than last November.
1.75mm made me bleed quite a lot, I think that is causing scarring which is worsening the problem not helping it.
I strongly recommend anyone reading to consult with a skin specialist before starting this 'treatment'. The last thing you want to do is create microscopic scar tissue which will be there FOREVER.

Are you using minoxidil?
 

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Guys I roll weekly without the use of minoxidil. I do not see any new hair at all however my scalp has definitely become rougher. It's not smooth like it was before. If I rub my scalp I cam feel how it has changes. Is this a good or bad thing? Obviously its fron the body healing the area I'm just concerned about scar tissue preventing future gains should a new treatment come out...anyone feel the texture of their scalp change to more rough after needling for a while?
 

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Guys I roll weekly without the use of minoxidil. I do not see any new hair at all however my scalp has definitely become rougher. It's not smooth like it was before. If I rub my scalp I cam feel how it has changes. Is this a good or bad thing? Obviously its fron the body healing the area I'm just concerned about scar tissue preventing future gains should a new treatment come out...anyone feel the texture of their scalp change to more rough after needling for a while?
Thats scar tissue bro, quit while you still can srs
 

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Haha. Weak scalp beta. I roll every 3 days with a derminator at atleast 2.00mm. You wish you had a scalp like mine loser.

But seriously what device are you using? I find rollers to be horrible and stamps to be only ok. why apply the pressure yourself when you can have a machine do it? Unless you're poor like I suspect you are.
I'm not poor, just figured rolling would be fine...is ise two different size rollers. Seriously though, rub your scalp in your needling areas and I bet they are much rougher now.
 

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Yeah it helps with beard, Retin A does too. I use my derminator on my face (once every 3-4 weeks) and my hair (twice weekly). I use a stamp on my beard daily. I use retin A on all 3 as well.
Retin on your scalp with minoxidil or without? I would love to be wrong but I dont think retin on your scalp is beneficial without the use of minoxidil....and yes I'm being too lazy to go thru your posts to see if you apply minoxidil as well.
 

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Been on minoxidil for 10 years. Which makes me think most having success with this started minoxidil and/or finasteride at the same time

I used minoxidil for a year or two but then stopped for years because it did nothing.
 

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So is any of you fuckers growing hair yet or what? There's no way to keep up with this fast as f*** thread.

Did anyone compare derminator 2 to dr pen a7 yet? f***
 

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That's possible, I'm getting my DHT tested soon so I'll know where I stand with that.
My Test blood results came back with higher than average test. Maybe similar for this guy
At one stage I was on 1.5mg dutasteride + 5mg finasteride daily and that still didn't halt it
Wait what, your DHT did not go down even on those big *** dosses?


Looks like another case of a mysterious bad responder, I remember a guy here had the same thing and the stopped balding by using an extreme regimen of topicals, I forgot the nickname of this guy.

Oh wait, you mean halt as in stop hairloss, not making the DHT lower.

So youshould get your DHT checked while on dutasteride, post it there and we'll see how it goes. If your t and free t levels are high, and DHT is nuked, then you need to stop the T from going on the scalp. How? you tell me.
 
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