Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

[Bill_Russo]

Took the plunge and got the derminator. Any suggestions on the settings to use and how often to change the cartridge. Thank you in advance. I plan to monitor process and take pictures as well. If you have suggestions for documenting process I will take them as well. The plan is just to use the same aggressive bathroom lighting and take with hair at as close to the same length as I can. Thank you again.

Take them with your hair at its worst. Unwashed and stuff. That's how I'm gonna take them; I think it's the best way to see the progress.

 

[kiwi666]

Took the plunge and got the derminator. Any suggestions on the settings to use and how often to change the cartridge. Thank you in advance. I plan to monitor process and take pictures as well. If you have suggestions for documenting process I will take them as well. The plan is just to use the same aggressive bathroom lighting and take with hair at as close to the same length as I can. Thank you again.

I use 1.5mm on fast mode.

I am going to use each cartridge twice. Some people think more. Some people think one cartridge per session.

But some of those people reused their dermroller over and over for years so twice won’t kill you.

After each session I clean the cartridge in alcohol.

 

[stillwaters]

Are people cleaning the balding area before or after? If so, with what, and when?

I can't tell if/when I should take a shower before or after or both. I don't want to dilute the effect.

 

[Trichosan]

Anytime thereis potential to bleed, there is a pathway for infection. So always have a clean/sanitized area. Ideally the area should be wiped with Betadine but it's impractical for our purposes. So wash your hair and rinse thoroughly. Dump some rubbing alcohol on the skin, wipe off with paper towel. Derminate. That's all I do.

Oh, I forgot-after, dump some alcohol on another paper towel and wipe off the area.

 

[Derelict]

How often should the cartridges be replaced, they are cheap but i don't want to litter unnecessarily, was thinking changing every couple of months or so.

 

[lenuam]

I think we really need a FAQ section. Frequency/needle depth/needle count/minoxidil yes or no/reusing cartridges etc. Would someone with the required expertise and time be willing to do it?

 

[Renegade000]

I'm gonna follow the study and do 2 mm every 2 weeks.

Was there not successful studies with 1.5mm every 7 days, though?

Which study is better and which showed the best results?

 

[Bill_Russo]

Was there not successful studies with 1.5mm every 7 days, though?

Which study is better and which showed the best results?

Yes, there is the Indian study, using a 1.5 mm dermaroller weekly and then there's the Chinese study, done twice a month with a device similar to a dermapen using 2 mm needles. Here are the results:
This is the Chinese study from 2017:

The mean improvement in total hair density from baseline to 24 weeks was 18.8/cm2 in group 1, 23.4/cm2 in group 2, and 38.3/cm2 in group 3. The hair growth in the 3 groups was significantly different (P = 0.002), but there were no significant differences in toxicity found between the 3 groups.

And here are the Indian results:

(1) Hair counts – The mean change in hair count at week 12 was significantly greater for the Microneedling group compared to the Minoxidil group (91.4 vs 22.2 respectively). (2) Investigator evaluation – Forty patients in Microneedling group had +2 to +3 response on 7-point visual analogue scale, while none showed the same response in the Minoxidil group. (3) Patient evaluation – In the Microneedling group, 41 (82%) patients reported more than 50% improvement versus only 2 (4.5%) patients in the Minoxidil group. Unsatisfied patients to conventional therapy for Androgenetic Alopecia got good response with Microneedling treatment.

 

[byebyehair]

Yes, there is the Indian study, using a 1.5 mm dermaroller weekly and then there's the Chinese study, done twice a week with a device similar to a dermapen using 2 mm needles. Here are the results:
This is the Chinese study from 2017:

And here are the Indian results:

Was the chinese study the one where the dermastemp also vibrated with a specified frequency

 

[Bill_Russo]

Was the chinese study the one where the dermastemp also vibrated with a specified frequency

I don't think so. Doesn't say anything about that, see here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29028377

 

[byebyehair]

I don't think so. Doesn't say anything about that, see here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29028377

This one is also very interesting. 4 people hwo have not responded to treatments so far added microneedling to their regime.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4458936/
The additional microneedling seems better than the hairtransplants they had

ps. here the study with frequency:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/ced.13551

 

[cratusg]

Is it okey to massage the scalp same day after microneedling or or wait 1 day?

 

[Trichosan]

Is it okey to massage the scalp same day after microneedling or or wait 1 day?

I'd wait 3 days just to be sure it doen't disrupt whatever healing factors the body is pumping into the area.

 

[cratusg]

I'd wait 3 days just to be sure it doen't disrupt whatever healing factors the body is pumping into the area.

Alright thanks! Most people are applying minoxidil 24 hours after microneedling but it's another thing.

 

[bigjimmy]

I noticed I get a sore head when I apply minoxidil the day after needling, it’s bearable though.

 

[spooon]

do you guys glide the dermapen across the scalp maintaining contact or do you lift and press repeatedly as you move across the scalp?

 

[Derelict]

do you guys glide the dermapen across the scalp maintaining contact or do you lift and press repeatedly as you move across the scalp?

I just sorta glide it along, it's easier at the highest speed setting to do this i find. There's a bit of technique to it but you will get the handle of it pretty quickly.

 

[Headdy]

Refering to the 1.5mm needling,
Do you guys use a numbing cream?
Is it painful otherwise?

 

[spooon]

I just sorta glide it along, it's easier at the highest speed setting to do this i find. There's a bit of technique to it but you will get the handle of it pretty quickly.

why use highest speed? not saying wrong but equally just micro needle for a longer time?

 

[Renegade000]

Yes, there is the Indian study, using a 1.5 mm dermaroller weekly and then there's the Chinese study, done twice a week with a device similar to a dermapen using 2 mm needles. Here are the results:
This is the Chinese study from 2017:

And here are the Indian results:

I thought your said there’s a study for every 2 weeks with 2mm. You say this is weekly and twice and week?