Did she specifically say a dermaroller over a dermapen?
Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless
This was either written before Follica did more testing or she is strictly talking about a dermaroller. Follica showed that 0.8mm with a dermapen fortnightly is superior, and my own experience corroborates their findings.
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Wounding mobilizes hair follicle stem cells to form tumors - PMC
A wide variety of human cancers are associated with injury. Although stem cells participate in tissue regeneration after wounding, it is unclear whether these cells also contribute to epithelial tumors. Human basal cell carcinomas (BCCs) are ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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wtf?Wounding mobilizes hair follicle stem cells to form tumors - PMC
A wide variety of human cancers are associated with injury. Although stem cells participate in tissue regeneration after wounding, it is unclear whether these cells also contribute to epithelial tumors. Human basal cell carcinomas (BCCs) are ...
It was published this year. The chapter mostly talks about the dermaroller, as it is the most commonly used microneedling device and the Dhurat studies were also done with a dermaroller. She mentions that 200 wounds per cm2 are required, whereas Follica‘s device will produce 1600 needle wounds per cm2. This could perhaps explain the different optimal protocol? They are very different devices.
I myself am microneedling with the D2 every 10-14 days, because I want the wounds to properly heal. So far it’s working fine.
When I use my dermapen, it takes days to heal and it looks like I have chicken pox on my scalp. The nice thing about a dermaroller, for me at least, is that you can adjust the pressure. Some of the best results I've seen are from light rolling to induce only redness, once a week.
I actually think there is reason for concern, not just based on this study but others around wounding and cancer. The more you do it the more concerning it is. The problem is wounding isn't a permanent fix. It's something you have to keep doing for life if you don't want to lose the gains
Yes, It takes months for it to fully heal. If you do it every 14 days for years you're walking around with a wound that never heals, and more research is showing that is carcinogenic. I think the chances of cancer are pretty high longterm.
If that were the case, all the Chinese who have been practicing acupuncture for centuries would have cancer... you're a lousy scientist, stop spreading your broscience on here and get lost!!
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I bought a Dr Pen microneedle off Amazon and have noticed a massive differences to how it feels compared to the derma stamp . I used a derma roller before and a derma stamp at 1.5 length but nothing really changed. I've done the Dr Pen about 4 times now and my scalp is much redder afterwards with maybe one or two spots of blood. It does feel miles better and like it's doing something but this photo looks like sh1te tbh. I can feel more stubby hairs and feel at weak spots whispy hairs, but as you can tell, the photos in the harshest lighting don't really help andni think it makes it look even worse. As per my other posts I basically live in dermmatch and it looks passible. Anyway that's my two cents. I feel it is doing something and I will continue. I'm also on minoxidil and nizoral. I see people posting stuff without photos all the time so decided to share one, even though I look awful without stuff shading my scalp. Cheers
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Same lighting (sunlight) different angle I've used it 4 times. Once a week. I find sunlight is the harshest and least flattering. I have the same length of 1.5mm (12 needles)and I believe it's doing more. It feels deeper, which is odd as it's the same length. I got some surgical spirit to clean it and I just pop it in for twenty mins then brush off the dead skin cells with a toothbrush I don't use on my teeth. Couple days after my head itches like a son of a b**ch but feels great after a brush.
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I dont know what to make of that.1.5months?Some people are very lucky.So.he started regrowing his hair since day one?Some things are hard for me to comprehend.
There's a big difference between accupuncure and microneedling. It's not my broscience, I'm simply telling you what the studies say
Yeah everything increases the risk of cancer according to studies... exposure to the sun, smoking, drinking alcohol, coffee, milk, eating red meat, soy, pollution, not getting enough sleep, sleeping near your phone, ...
Plus there isn't even a study yet on long-term SE of microneedling so despite your 10-year study, yes for now it's only broscience.
I'm wondering if you're serious or not. You really think wounding the same area once a month (minimum) for years won't make this area a good place to initiate tumours ?
Studies are not everything, we can also use our brain. If many studies show that not letting wounds heal is carcinogenic, and that you're exactly doing it, you can at least be careful.
To grow and spread tumors need angiogenesis (creation of new blood vessels) and a source of energy, which is mostly sugar. Cancer thrives on sugar...
If you really want to prevent tumors combine a ketogenic diet (low-carb) with intermittent fasting. Use Google Scholar and Sci-Hub for more information.
The angiogenesis created by microneedling is very mild and localized.
If you really want to prevent tumors combine a ketogenic diet (low-carb) with intermittent fasting. Use Google Scholar and Sci-Hub for more information.
The angiogenesis created by microneedling is very mild and localized.
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I don't mean to hijack the thread but this post is relevant to the thread and I am not ready for a "success story" thread yet.
It has been 7 weeks since I started and I know I said in this thread, a a bunch of pages back, that I would share results at the 6 month mark but I just wanted to share the progress of my crown since using the dermapen with minoxidil and dutasteride. There is visible thickening and/or regrowth happening back there. I am getting comments from people that don't know that I am treating my hair loss, except my wife. I dermapen once a week. It is super exciting because these have been the fastest results I have ever experienced. And that is saying a lot since I started balding at 16, i'm 33 now. So, I have been around lol. I can't wait to see results at 12 month mark.
Please give me your opinion about these results. To me, these are very dramatic results, in very little time. I started Sept 10th 2021. But I would like 2nd opinions. Forgive me in advance about the blurriness of the before pic. You can still the results, they are too visible to not see even with a bit of blurriness. I tried my best to mimic the same light, same location (bathroom), same positioning of the head, and same hair length.
Disclaimer: I had an FUE done in 2015, got lazy, stopped taking the big 3 and went through alopecia areata spots on my head. This basically killed my FUE results. hair transplant's can only do so much, they do not bring back hair, they don't stop male pattern baldness. You need to help the FUE, by taking care of your native hairs. I did not do that and I paid for it. I basically got back to the high norwoods.
Other info:
Minoxidil 15% once a day, 1 ML on crown, 1ML on hairline and temples. I use minoxidilmax DualGen, no PG.
Dermapen M8 Pro - 1.5 mm on crown, 0.75 mm on front. Once a week. I wait 24 hours before using minoxidil.
Dutasteride - 0.5, everyday. I tend to forget this though, and can go for days without taking it. I am trying to be more consistent.
Before (September 10th, 2021) - First day of dermarolling:
After (October 21st 2021). You can see the crown getting darker and kind of closing in around the crown.
This was incredible, it left me speechless when I compared the two.
I will keep you all posted and post before and after pics when I can see a dramatic change myself.
Edit: Btw, frontal baldness areas like hairline and temples, are also thickening. There are also signs of vellus hairs growing on the hairline and below it.
It has been 7 weeks since I started and I know I said in this thread, a a bunch of pages back, that I would share results at the 6 month mark but I just wanted to share the progress of my crown since using the dermapen with minoxidil and dutasteride. There is visible thickening and/or regrowth happening back there. I am getting comments from people that don't know that I am treating my hair loss, except my wife. I dermapen once a week. It is super exciting because these have been the fastest results I have ever experienced. And that is saying a lot since I started balding at 16, i'm 33 now. So, I have been around lol. I can't wait to see results at 12 month mark.
Please give me your opinion about these results. To me, these are very dramatic results, in very little time. I started Sept 10th 2021. But I would like 2nd opinions. Forgive me in advance about the blurriness of the before pic. You can still the results, they are too visible to not see even with a bit of blurriness. I tried my best to mimic the same light, same location (bathroom), same positioning of the head, and same hair length.
Disclaimer: I had an FUE done in 2015, got lazy, stopped taking the big 3 and went through alopecia areata spots on my head. This basically killed my FUE results. hair transplant's can only do so much, they do not bring back hair, they don't stop male pattern baldness. You need to help the FUE, by taking care of your native hairs. I did not do that and I paid for it. I basically got back to the high norwoods.
Other info:
Minoxidil 15% once a day, 1 ML on crown, 1ML on hairline and temples. I use minoxidilmax DualGen, no PG.
Dermapen M8 Pro - 1.5 mm on crown, 0.75 mm on front. Once a week. I wait 24 hours before using minoxidil.
Dutasteride - 0.5, everyday. I tend to forget this though, and can go for days without taking it. I am trying to be more consistent.
Before (September 10th, 2021) - First day of dermarolling:
After (October 21st 2021). You can see the crown getting darker and kind of closing in around the crown.
This was incredible, it left me speechless when I compared the two.
I will keep you all posted and post before and after pics when I can see a dramatic change myself.
Edit: Btw, frontal baldness areas like hairline and temples, are also thickening. There are also signs of vellus hairs growing on the hairline and below it.
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