my god man...get out of your head ...you can't think for yourself unless someone you deem "smarter than you" clears a path for you???
Oh, I can. I'm even paid to do exactly that. But I'm also able to recognize and admit when I just don't have sufficient knowledge in an area and then to rely on reputable sources - in my field of work we call that "standing on the shoulders of giants". That is the way
all scientists work, by the way. When you don't know about something, you turn to sources that do, instead of just blindly assuming things.
Go stick your finger in an electrical outlet and test whether your finger is "physically" being moved...a big enough shock can jolt your whole body off your feet...
Oh, great. You still refuse to read Wikipedia. Physical movements as a consequence of electrical shocks to the body is always a consequence of muscle straightening, and not the electrical energy "moving" you. The human body's magnetism is so low that not even a thunderstrike can physically move you. Read
this for more explanations why people are "moved" by electric shocks.
As written on Wikipedia: When electric energy hits the body, it is converted to thermal energy. Not mechanical energy. There is no mechanical stimulation from electric shocks. It is simply not possible with the laws of physics. And if you still don't believe me, Wikipedia, and the link that I just provided in the last paragraph: Ask a physicist.
odalbak said:
Also since it produces small electric sparks towards the skin it's been used to destroy hardened tissue like warts and help with cautery which in a way isn't far away from the dermarolling concept.
That is the first viable theory as to why this device could potentially work in the whole thread. I've also thought about that. The problem is that the electricity, no matter how strong, does not go deep enough with such a device. The body's electrical resistance, when not doing full-fledged conducting of a current from head to toe, is way too strong. That is also why such a device can be used to treat acne and moles without much danger: It only affects the very top level of skin tissue. Not, as Youcandoit claimed, because "moles are caused by bad circulation" and "violet ray increases circulation", both of which are provably wrong statements.
A potential way to actually destroy the fibrotic tissue would be a related treatment: Radiation therapy (and I mean the one used by hospitals for treating cancer and other forms malignant new tissue) can targetedly destroy tissue in one spot without affecting surrounding tissue. This way, one could
maybe create the condition the BBQ guy had without having to actually go through the pain and just hit the relevant tissue.
odalbak said:
My grandma used this device against acne and she was swearing by it for that purpose. I'm not having any opinion about the whole thing, I just want to say that we need to look at this with intellectual rigour before discarding it, or not.
That is exactly what I am trying to do here. The problem is that homeopathy ("atomidine"), misconceptions ("hairloss is caused by thyroid deficiency" - a statement which holds for some forms of hairloss, but not for ours), completely wrong understanding of highschool-grade physics, esoterics ("electrical vibrations harnessing the positive energy of the universe") and conspiracy theories ("the government hid the violet ray from us because they don't want us to have free energy") is dominating this thread.
It is completely impossible to discuss such a device under these conditions, especially if your conversation partners refuse to read wikipedia and insist on theories such as homeopathy which have been debunked ages ago.
Sparx4444 said:
Their MIGHT be something to this...anything that can agitate MIGHT accomplish the desired effect, short of making your scalp bleed...I mean, BBQ was scorched and he regrew his hair...Maybe the VR is a light scorching?? I dunno, I'm saying MIGHT, but you can't say MIGHT without being s-h-i-t on for being scientifically handicapped
As I'm telling you for the
third time now, I have never refuted that this device might work. I'm only trying to get an understanding why or why not it might work. Up until now, not a single theory brought up in this thread makes sense in any way. As stated above, Youcandoit - who introduced this device in the first place - is simply a science illiterate (and has no education on top of that, as evident from his "Europeans are still ruled by kings and queens" bullsh*t). He uses theories that have been debunked decades ago ("atomidine"), esoterics ("electrical vibrations of the universe") and conspiray theories. On top of that, he lacks the basic understanding to tell apart different forms of hair loss, which is why he promotes substances that are suitable for
other forms of hairloss, but not for
androgenetic hairloss.
He has opened another thread in this subforum - where he promotes theories to cure hairloss gained through "psychic readings". Obviously, complete bullsh*t.
odalbak said:
The electric sparks that occur on the scalp may cause micro fissures not visible to the eye but enough to enable contact of ozone with the capillaries.
Unfortunately, for the same reason this device is suitable for treating moles without any danger to lower layers of the skin, it is unsuitable for treating anything below the epidermis. The electrical energy is converted into thermal energy on the spot by the tissue's resistance. Otherwise, this device would be very dangerous - just imagine what multiple thousands of volts do to nerves which could be hit if the device would go any deeper.
Sparx4444 said:
I was curious about the VR even before this thread was started...considering I've spent hundreds upon hundreds of dollars fighting my hairloss, this is a drop in the bucket and doesn't require much time to do...
I can only encourage you to use it. It's your money after all. But as of now, there is not a single theory which would explain why this device could have any positive effect on hair growth.
And frankly, for pure plausibility: If curing hair loss was that easy with such a device - especially as these claims aren't new! - it would be known by now and universities wouldnt be spending millions of dollars on research which would be useless then. But all these claims from around 1900 cited by Youcandoit have been disproven by scientists in the meantime.
. Please consider this thought when ever symptoms flare up .Disengaging in a conversation or thread does not signify our degree of respect for some one else's expressed belief one way or another nor will it dignify their degree of disrespect or acrimonious disapproval. No es facil. Best wishes gentlemen.
