Why are people so against finasteride?

[20YearsOnFin]

(you have copy & pasted this same cope before so I don't know why i'm even bothering at this point)

Also a 10% deterioration in my hair in 3 years is pretty good

If your goal is to do nothing and let nature take its cause, then why are you on a hair loss site pretending to be an expect in hair loss prevention?

many people on Finasteride can only hope to achieve such little deterioration, let alone any improvement or maintenance at all.

You can keep believing this if it makes you feel better, its similar to the nonsense you told me that, finasteride starts to lose effectiveness after 2 years, of course people's results can vary wildly on their chosen regimens but the idea that finasteride is as good as useless is just another one of your delusions to make up for the fact you have chosen to continue balding at natures intended rate.

Nobody gives a monkeys at the end of the day, what you do or do not do, to try and save your own hair, but being on a moronic egotistical power trip and attaining enjoyment from attacking other peoples regimen's all the while continuing to refuse any kind of treatment yourself and smugly patting yourself on the back from your feeble 'a 10% deterioration in your hair every 3 years, is pretty good' excuse is just the kind of retarded behavior I've grown to expect from you, but at lease it gives the readers a laugh.

 

[Moro]

lol . Not dangerous ?! hahahajaja. Ignorant .

Talking to an expert is now 'ignorant'...?
What...?
Clown world...

 

[Moro]

hahaha . Jesus dude , really . Read studies . We are in 2021, not in the 90s .

You don't have the capacity to interpret what you're reading online. You're just purchasing nonsense.

 

[Moro]

hahaha . Nonesebo . Your derm is an idiot . Allopregnolone inhibition is a nonesebo ! lol . You fon’t even know what you are inhibitin by eliminating an enzime that is part of , at least, 8 Natural human reactions besidea T to DHT . Ignorant .

No, I don't have a perfect understanding of how finasteride works, I only have my dermatologists explanation. And I don't have to have a perfect understanding.

The question of "Will it impact my fertility?" returns a "no" from a dermatologist. (Worst case being less fluid from ejaculating, which doesn't effect anything.) That's all that matters. My level of understanding is irrelevant.

I'm not ignorant, I'm informed by an expert.

 

[Micky_007]

You don't have the capacity to interpret what you're reading online. You're just purchasing nonsense.

You seriously have no idea what you are talking about. You should just stop while you are ahead.

 

[Moro]

You seriously have no idea what you are talking about. You should just stop while you are ahead.

Well that's not an argument.
If you're trying to convince me I'm wrong, why post something that isn't an argument?

 

[Micky_007]

No, I don't have a perfect understanding of how finasteride works, I only have my dermatologists explanation. And I don't have to have a perfect understanding.

The question of "Will it impact my fertility?" returns a "no" from a dermatologist. (Worst case being less fluid from ejaculating, which doesn't effect anything.) That's all that matters. My level of understanding is irrelevant.

I'm not ignorant, I'm informed by an expert.

LMFAOOOO this is the most ridiculous comment I've seen. @jamesbooker1975 and @Pigeon are right, you are extremely ignorant. I guarantee you your dermatologist knows a lot less about the side effects of Finasteride than a large amount of people on this forum. You think your dermatologist knows about all of the other studies being done that dont* paint Finasteride in a good light? Your dermatologist probably doesn't even know the manufacturer of Propecia, Merck, has shut down its website and that it is headed for litigation.

Your dermatologist also probably has no idea of the true extent of the side effects of Finasteride if they told you that nonsense, because if they did, they would have atleast told you: "Yes, infertility is an actual possibility."

Your dermatologist and you clearly have no idea of the studies done on the importance of DHT. Blocking 70% of the 2nd most important male hormone and thinking it's not going to be a very risky play is just dumb.

Also, there's a large amount of people who have spent years longer actually studying all of the studies about Finasteride and hairloss, the importance of DHT, it's impact on Hormones and neurosteroids, etc etc etc than your or most dermatologists, making them and us more of an expert on the topic than them.

Even your dermatologist, just because they are a licensed medical professional DOES NOT MAKE THEM AN EXPERT ON FINASTERIDE, or the wholistic effects of DHT.

 

[Moro]

LMFAOOOO this is the most ridiculous comment I've seen. @jamesbooker1975 and @Pigeon are right, you are extremely ignorant. I guarantee you your dermatologist knows a lot less about the side effects of Finasteride than a large amount of people on this forum. You think your dermatologist knows about all of the other studies being done that dont* paint Finasteride in a good light? Your dermatologist probably doesn't even know the manufacturer of Propecia, Merck, has shut down its website and that it is headed for litigation.

Your dermatologist also probably has no idea of the true extent of the side effects of Finasteride if they told you that nonsense, because if they did, they would have atleast told you: "Yes, infertility is an actual possibility."

Your dermatologist and you clearly have no idea of the studies done on the importance of DHT. Blocking 70% of the 2nd most important male hormone and thinking it's not going to be a very risky play is just dumb.

Also, there's a large amount of people who have spent years longer actually studying all of the studies about Finasteride and hairloss, the importance of DHT, it's impact on Hormones and neurosteroids, etc etc etc than your or most dermatologists, making them and us more of an expert on the topic than them.

Even your dermatologist, just because they are a licensed medical professional DOES NOT MAKE THEM AN EXPERT ON FINASTERIDE, or the wholistic effects of DHT.

No. Just because part of the hormone is blocked doesn't mean that it stops it from working and causes infertility problems.

My dermatologist doesn't have a reason to lie about this... I don't think you're lying either. Just horribly misled. It's unfortunate that we have a lot of misinformation to contend with, I might have found my dermatologist sooner.

"Wholistic"? Isn't that the woo woo hippie quackery garbage?

 

[Moro]

What? Read the conclusions, you don't need to be a doctor to understand that. Or hey if you want real experts telling you fina is poison, listen to the countless doctors and endos who say fina is absolutely not safe.

Since you want to hear it from the horse's mouth:

Finasteride has been added to the 'list of drugs to avoid in 2021' by a French Medical Journal

Translation from the Journal 'Drugs to be Avoided for Better Care 2021 Report'

'Finasteride 1mg, a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor, has a very high efficacy in modest androgenic alopecia in men: it increases hair density only slightly on the top of the head (by about 10%), and only for the duration of the treatment. It exposes particular sexual disorders (e.g., sexual dysfunction in erection and ejaculation, decreased libido), depression, suicidal ideation and cancer of the breast. When a drug is the chosen option, local minoxidil used with care is less dangerous.'

(Finasteride is on page 6 of the journal)

The journal is called Prescrire, a medical journal that 'addresses developments in diseases, medications, and in medical techniques and technologies' and 'contains no advertising'.

According to their website their 'editors are healthcare professionals, specially trained in Prescrire's editorial methods and free from conflicts of interest. Exacting quality control procedures are applied to all editorial content.'


But let's be honest here, you're a desperate balding guy and will ignore the facts because you put all your hope in those pills. So go ahead take them, you have to learn the hard way... and you will learn.

I'm beginning to see the problem here...
To view sensationalized news and self reporting as the unvarnished facts is having a very low standard of evidence.

Finasteride doesn't shut off testosterone as that news report says, it only modifies part of it.

I'm not ignoring facts... Quite the opposite. What I've gotten from the dermatologist are the facts. What you're presenting are not facts.

 

[Moro]

What? Read the conclusions, you don't need to be a doctor to understand that. Or hey if you want real experts telling you fina is poison, listen to the countless doctors and endos who say fina is absolutely not safe.

Since you want to hear it from the horse's mouth:

Finasteride has been added to the 'list of drugs to avoid in 2021' by a French Medical Journal

Translation from the Journal 'Drugs to be Avoided for Better Care 2021 Report'

'Finasteride 1mg, a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor, has a very high efficacy in modest androgenic alopecia in men: it increases hair density only slightly on the top of the head (by about 10%), and only for the duration of the treatment. It exposes particular sexual disorders (e.g., sexual dysfunction in erection and ejaculation, decreased libido), depression, suicidal ideation and cancer of the breast. When a drug is the chosen option, local minoxidil used with care is less dangerous.'

(Finasteride is on page 6 of the journal)

The journal is called Prescrire, a medical journal that 'addresses developments in diseases, medications, and in medical techniques and technologies' and 'contains no advertising'.

According to their website their 'editors are healthcare professionals, specially trained in Prescrire's editorial methods and free from conflicts of interest. Exacting quality control procedures are applied to all editorial content.'


But let's be honest here, you're a desperate balding guy and will ignore the facts because you put all your hope in those pills. So go ahead take them, you have to learn the hard way... and you will learn.

"I found this excerpt from a medical journal that seems to support my narrative."
You shouldn't be looking at medical journal. You're only just literate enough to fool yourself.

EDIT: Ok, I just tried to follow their citations from that French website, the 2016 study, and it only goes to a subscription page. Doesn't seem legit to me.

 

[Moro]

Lmfao the coping and cognitive dissonance is extreme with you my friend. No hope for you, tell us is Kevin Mann your dermatolgist?

But serious, take your pills I don't care, like I said you have to learn the hard way.

Having a standard of evidence isn't cognitive dissonance... Do you know what that term means? Did you find that 2016 study?

 

[Moro]

I posted a ton of studies here: https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...steride-side-effects-eventually.130765/page-2

And your "standard of evidence" is: "buh muh dermatologist said it's safe!" And you ignore every other study and doctors like endocrinologists who actually know something about the endocrine system.

But do you actually believe blocking the most potent androgen and inhibiting various neurolgical pathways for the long term will only affect your hair? Are you that naïve? Did you know Merck, the maker of propecia actually admits not knowing what the long term hormonal effects are for young men?

Anyway, like I said your mind is made up, you have to learn the hard way and I repeat you will learn.

That's not what I asked for.
I'm after the 2016 study that French website used to declare finasteride leads to sexual health problems.
The website link goes to a subscription page rather than the study.

 

[jamesbooker1975]

No, I don't have a perfect understanding of how finasteride works, I only have my dermatologists explanation. And I don't have to have a perfect understanding.

The question of "Will it impact my fertility?" returns a "no" from a dermatologist. (Worst case being less fluid from ejaculating, which doesn't effect anything.) That's all that matters. My level of understanding is irrelevant.

I'm not ignorant, I'm informed by an expert.

"And I don't have to have a perfect understanding."
We do know how it works. It is up to you if you want to know it or not . The information is there, full of studies on pubmed , etc .
And your derm is not an expert, you just point it that is simple an ignorant . They don't teach to him in the University how Finasteride works . So simple like that . He might not even know much about pharmacology even .

 

[jamesbooker1975]

That's not what I asked for.
I'm after the 2016 study that French website used to declare finasteride leads to sexual health problems.
The website link goes to a subscription page rather than the study.

Dude, PUBMED.GOV !!!!!!! READ !!!! READ !!!!!!!!!!!!
You really think that you can inhibit an NATURAL not elevated enzyme in the body , that is part of at least the creation of 8 hormones, besides DHT , without consequences !?

 

[20YearsOnFin]

This topic is beginning to sound like a broken record and always ends up with the dream team of cope flexing their expert copy and paste skills.

If you are concerned about potential health issues, do not take any oral medication to treat cosmetic conditions, just accept that aging is a one way downward slope and get on with life.

If however your goal on visiting a hair loss forum is to actually stabilize hair loss for years or decades to come, then you will need to be on some kind of treatment protocol.

You can get an idea of what actually works long term by reading the advice of people who have been there and done it and actually have results that stretch back for decades, or you can listen to the kings of cope guys who by their own admission are perfectly happy to continue to bald all the while slagging off everyone else's regimen at every opportunity.

You can spot these rare special breed by there specialized dick rubbing cope's constantly claiming that everyone on 5-ARIs , has 'chemically castrated' themselves , 5-ARIs users are 'all suffering from 'Ed' and that stabilizing and maintaining your hair for decades is actually just a 'cope', they will also claim that 5-ARIs 'do not work long term' and anyone who says otherwise is just making it up.

All the while postings numerous copes themselves freely admitting they are still balding at natures intended rate.

Also a 10% deterioration in my hair in 3 years is pretty good

If I would only be losing 10% in 3 years I would be happy, especially if the (possible) sides of the treatment are low.

Or the 'super cope' of praising hair systems at every opportunity and giving the advice that its better to wear a system than take 5-ARIs.

Hence you must wear a hair system so you save your dick and health.

Ultimately it comes down to personal choice at the end of day what treatment you take, based of what works best for yourself, but when it comes to actually treating hair loss long term there is only so much you can learn from a couple of 'hypocritical copers' that freely admit they are still balding progressively.

 

[Micky_007]

(you have copy & pasted this same cope before so I don't know why i'm even bothering at this point)

If your goal is to do nothing and let nature take its cause, then why are you on a hair loss site pretending to be an expect in hair loss prevention?

You can keep believing this if it makes you feel better, its similar to the nonsense you told me that, finasteride starts to lose effectiveness after 2 years, of course people's results can vary wildly on their chosen regimens but the idea that finasteride is as good as useless is just another one of your delusions to make up for the fact you have chosen to continue balding at natures intended rate.

Nobody gives a monkeys at the end of the day, what you do or do not do, to try and save your own hair, but being on a moronic egotistical power trip and attaining enjoyment from attacking other peoples regimen's all the while continuing to refuse any kind of treatment yourself and smugly patting yourself on the back from your feeble 'a 10% deterioration in your hair every 3 years, is pretty good' excuse is just the kind of retarded behavior I've grown to expect from you, but at lease it gives the readers a laugh.

You keep asking the same old questions we discussed in this very thread about a week ago and I answered every question but you just keep forgetting.

Im on this forum because I have tried most of the current hairloss options and I know what works and what doesn't and I have experience in using them.

I also mentioned to you that I plan on going back on a hair regimen next year, since my hairloss has been fairly negligible. Your argument is silly because whether I'm currently on treatment makes zero difference to anything when I have experience in using many treatments.

Also, I use this forum for keeping up with latest news and sharing new findings as well as helping those who ask for help.

You seem to again forget that I didn't say Finasteride is useless for everyone, I said that for a large amount of people Finasteride after 2 years usually starts* to lose its effectiveness (in the cases when it works in the first place) which is actually the reason even Finasteride users who have had success with it are regularly on this website because they too have noticed the drug fading in efficacy and are also looking for better solutions.

In regards to your last paragraph, the only retard here is you. I literally explained several times and I'm even repeating myself twice in this message so it sinks into your brainless head which can't recall a conversation from a week ago, that I did mention that I was on a break from the horror of Finasteride, but that I do plan on starting a treatment regimen early next year, so that negates who entire BS assumptions and statements.

The only person who needs to be Laughed at is you for your poor memory as I've addressed everything multiple times but you just keep forgetting and drawing your own false conclusions.

 

[20YearsOnFin]

Oh well the truth gets to you sooner or later.

Yes, 27 years later i'm really suffering thanks for all the useful warnings............. keep coping dude.

 

[Micky_007]

No. Just because part of the hormone is blocked doesn't mean that it stops it from working and causes infertility problems.

My dermatologist doesn't have a reason to lie about this... I don't think you're lying either. Just horribly misled. It's unfortunate that we have a lot of misinformation to contend with, I might have found my dermatologist sooner.

"Wholistic"? Isn't that the woo woo hippie quackery garbage?

And when I said wholistic effects of DHT I meant a detailed profile of the entire list of importance of DHT, not just the basics which your Dermatologist is probably only aware of the basics and not the full extent of what happens when you block DHT. Also, it doesn't need to be blocking 100% of DHT to be problematic.

"woo woo hippie garbage" LOL wtf are you talking about. Looks like the Finasteride sides already getting to you.

 

[20YearsOnFin]

But hey man if you want to continue your long term hormone treatment to save your ratsnest, be my guest. I sometimes forget how many lunatics are on this site who ONLY care about their hair and not their health.

HAHA 'super cope strikes back', people who take treatments to stabilize hair loss are all lunatics, thanks for pointing that out.

 

[20YearsOnFin]

Okay old man, have fun with your tranny pills. I forget you don't use your dick anyway so good for you old man, good for you.

Same old Cope, my libido is perfectly fine thanks, never had any ED in my life.... keep on telling yourself the same lies to help yourself cope.