Why there will NEVER be a cure for baldness

[Super Metroid]

Nothing has a cure, not even a simple cold. Hair loss is no exception. Cancers, Aids, etc, no cure. Humans give themselves too much credit when it comes to cures. No, they are likely not hiding or preventing a hair loss cure. We literally just don’t know how to cure anything. Humans try, but the human body is very complex. We are just not that advanced yet.

When humans from the future look back centuries to see when the best hair loss treatments started, in the grand scheme of things, Rogaine’s and Propecia’s discovery years, to present year, will be cluttered into one era. Early 90s to 2022 is a mere 30ish years…which is nothing. Even if you fast forward to 2050, 2080, that’s not even a century yet.

It took us 100s of years to stop worshipping the Sun. And even then, what that turned into was just a more sophisticated version of what Natives did. Which is called religion, and we now worship an invisible “higher being” that rules over our lives and punishes us accordingly. Also, when we die, if we are good, we will join this being up in the sky.

Let that last paragraph sink in a bit. We are still quite primitive. You can’t possibly expect for a civilization like ours to cure something as complex as hair loss. I mean ffs man, we are intelligent but not THAT intelligent yet.

Agreed, it is not that simple to clone organs safely and effectively and introduce them to the human body.

Why would the super primitive era end this year btw? Do you think significant progress will be made from this year on?

 

[FilthyFrancis]

Our problem is that we look at the picture in terms of human logic and assumptions. The market and business do not work this way, it has long been clear that when selling any product, the opinion of the buyer is not taken into account, but the animal instincts of a person are taken into account. There are 3 main ones - survival, reproduction and dominance (manifestation of the first two). Dominance is what makes us try to be better than others, it manifests itself in any area (even donating to your favorite blogger, this is his manifestation), it is this instinct that makes you panic because of the lack of hair, in the end you will not find a girl and she will not give birth to a bunch of children for you and you will not be able to give your parents grandchildren, be happy, etc. (actually this is nonsense, because women are arranged differently). The bottom line is that these instincts are being manipulated into sell this or that product. You coul say that a lot of companies failed, right, but that just means they had less talented marketers. If you think that you are very different from animals, then I will disappoint you ..

In fact, those who invest money do not have a share of the same finasteride, these are completely new players in the market who see a future perspective, because. the future is fixated on beauty and fashion(and this is despite the fact that tolerance is being promoted everywhere and everywhere, the propaganda of which makes this problem even more destructive). The old generation can still say "bald? Yes, and God bless him", the new generation is more prone to depression and it is quite natural that the next one will suffer even more. We also do not take into account that baldness is becoming an increasingly common problem every year, including for women. This is a huge potential for those who want to earn.

We also do not see the inner workings between researchers and investors, we do not know who promises what to whom. I assume that those who create the "medicine" promise those who invest big profits and bright prospects. Since they both want to make money, in the end there is a fiasco. Creativity and money are antagonists. Some push others, set deadlines, demand something, others do not agree, do not have time, etc. There is a conflict of interest and often we see a break in relations between companies and the suspension of research.

There was also a question - "why not make a drug that will cure baldness completely, but will cost 50,000 euros?". Because it is not profitable, it greatly narrows the circle of people who can afford it. The market is not based only on people who live in favorable conditions, and even there, most people will not give that kind of money. It is much more promising if 300,000,000 people buy a product for $20 a month than 1,000,000 buy it and forget it. There is also a black market that will reduce the cost of this technology bypassing the patent and that will not bring profit to those who developed this product. In fact, there are too many nuances for those who want to make money.

And lastly, new technologies must be, otherwise we will get stagnation, which will be reflected in mass discontent. Today we already see the dissatisfaction of many who do not understand why 30 years have passed since the creation of finasteride and there is nothing new. In the end, the effect of a stretched bowstring will occur, which suddenly explodes.

I apologize if I'm not writing something correctly, I use a translator because English is not my native language.

Tldr

Sociology fresher by any chance?

 

[froggy7]

What I got from the Stemson presentation is that they are developing a custom product, for someones one hair I presume, and a more generic version. I could see that as, say, 10 versions for Indian hair, 10 versions for Chinese etc.

If that is indeed the idea and whether they are capable of delivering is something else, of course. But I think it would be possible to choose different hair.

do you think that you can order the hair you want? e.g. thick, coarse, stiff hair when the original was soft?

 

[coolio]

Let that last paragraph sink in a bit. We are still quite primitive. You can’t possibly expect for a civilization like ours to cure something as complex as hair loss. I mean ffs man, we are intelligent but not THAT intelligent yet.

Talking about the likelihood of a 'cure' is pretty much a straw man argument. It's raising the bar a lot higher than necessary.

We cannot cure yellow teeth, or pale skin, or fingernails that grow too long, or calluses on your feet, stubborn belly fat, etc. But we have practical treatments for these problems.

In 2022 we still don't have practical hair loss treatments. We have a couple of clumsy indirect ways to slow down the worsening of the problem. Nothing more.

Imagine if you could pay a couple thousand dollars to some clinic and get your thinning hair's density boosted for 4-7 years (one hair cycle). That would not be a 'cure' at all. But it would be life-changing for millions.

 

[Hairful]

It took us 100s of years to stop worshipping the Sun. And even then, what that turned into was just a more sophisticated version of what Natives did. Which is called religion, and we now worship an invisible “higher being” that rules over our lives and punishes us accordingly. Also, when we die, if we are good, we will join this being up in the sky.

Let that last paragraph sink in a bit. We are still quite primitive. You can’t possibly expect for a civilization like ours to cure something as complex as hair loss. I mean ffs man, we are intelligent but not THAT intelligent yet.

That statement is inaccurate, belief in one God has existed since as far back as we can remember. There were object worshippers, atheists and religious people just as there are today. Believing this universe and this complex human body came from nothing is actually more ridiculous

Same way your other statements are inaccurate. We have reached a stage where we can cure many diseases that we couldn’t a century ago.

You just don’t have knowledge and imparting your ignorance upon others lol

There would’ve been cure for many diseases but it’s not beneficial to big pharma so it won’t happen. It’s not a conspiracy it’s just simple $$$ driven world we live in right now

 

[froggy7]

Talking about the likelihood of a 'cure' is pretty much a straw man argument. It's raising the bar a lot higher than necessary.

We cannot cure yellow teeth, or pale skin, or fingernails that grow too long, or calluses on your feet, stubborn belly fat, etc. But we have practical treatments for these problems.

In 2022 we still don't have practical hair loss treatments. We have a couple of clumsy indirect ways to slow down the worsening of the problem. Nothing more.

Imagine if you could pay a couple thousand dollars to some clinic and get your thinning hair's density boosted for 4-7 years (one hair cycle). That would not be a 'cure' at all. But it would be life-changing for millions.

if cloning hair is not a one-time treatment, no one will pay for it> 100k $ normal, and how would stemson know how long their hair will grow? it takes decades of patient follow-up

 

[pegasus2]

Talking about the likelihood of a 'cure' is pretty much a straw man argument. It's raising the bar a lot higher than necessary.

We cannot cure yellow teeth, or pale skin, or fingernails that grow too long, or calluses on your feet, stubborn belly fat, etc. But we have practical treatments for these problems.

In 2022 we still don't have practical hair loss treatments. We have a couple of clumsy indirect ways to slow down the worsening of the problem. Nothing more.

Imagine if you could pay a couple thousand dollars to some clinic and get your thinning hair's density boosted for 4-7 years (one hair cycle). That would not be a 'cure' at all. But it would be life-changing for millions.

If the anagen phase was boosted to 5 years in all hairs wouldn't that be a cure?

 

[pegasus2]

if cloning hair is not a one-time treatment, no one will pay for it> 100k $ normal, and how would stemson know how long their hair will grow? it takes decades of patient follow-up

Mice and pigs have shorter hair cycles. If it works for a year in mice that's a lifetime for us.

Nothing has a cure, not even a simple cold. Hair loss is no exception. Cancers, Aids, etc, no cure. Humans give themselves too much credit when it comes to cures. No, they are likely not hiding or preventing a hair loss cure. We literally just don’t know how to cure anything. Humans try, but the human body is very complex. We are just not that advanced yet.

When humans from the future look back centuries to see when the best hair loss treatments started, in the grand scheme of things, Rogaine’s and Propecia’s discovery years, to present year, will be cluttered into one era. Early 90s to 2022 is a mere 30ish years…which is nothing. Even if you fast forward to 2050, 2080, that’s not even a century yet.

It took us 100s of years to stop worshipping the Sun. And even then, what that turned into was just a more sophisticated version of what Natives did. Which is called religion, and we now worship an invisible “higher being” that rules over our lives and punishes us accordingly. Also, when we die, if we are good, we will join this being up in the sky.

Let that last paragraph sink in a bit. We are still quite primitive. You can’t possibly expect for a civilization like ours to cure something as complex as hair loss. I mean ffs man, we are intelligent but not THAT intelligent yet.

Ironically the average IQ was higher when more people believed in God. As we become more atheistic we are becoming dumber.

 

[froggy7]

Mice and pigs have shorter hair cycles. If it works for a year in mice that's a lifetime for us.

Ironically the average IQ was higher when more people believed in God. As we become more atheistic we are becoming dumber.

if they will charge 100k$> i want permanent cure, not hair for 5 years

 

[Hairful]

if they will charge 100k$> i want permanent cure, not hair for 5 years

If you have money like 100k for hair then you won’t mind paying every 5 years

bruh, I can buy a house for 100k

 

[froggy7]

If you have money like 100k for hair then you won’t mind paying every 5 years

bruh, I can buy a house for 100k

you have to be an idiot to pay 100k $ every five years for new hair, if their hair is not permanent, no one will buy it

 

[pegasus2]

you have to be an idiot to pay 100k $ every five years for new hair, if their hair is not permanent, no one will buy it

Why does this keep coming up over and over. Let it go. The procedure is for a LIFETIME. They already said IF top ups are required it will be included in the original price.

 

[Super Metroid]

you have to be an idiot to pay 100k $ every five years for new hair, if their hair is not permanent, no one will buy it

If the hair generally falls out after, say, 10 years after treatment, there will probably be an option to have the follow-up included in the price.

But lets get to that point first

 

[froggy7]

Why does this keep coming up over and over. Let it go. The procedure is for a LIFETIME. They already said IF top ups are required it will be included in the original price.

I understand the top ups are required only when someone is still going bald from the original non-cloned hair, if the hair that I get from stemson starts falling out and I start to go bald again their solution is just a fake

 

[pegasus2]

I understand the top ups are required only when someone is still going bald from the original non-cloned hair, if the hair that I get from stemson starts falling out and I start to go bald again their solution is just a fake

All they said was if top-ups are required it will be free. I would assume that the only way you would need top-ups is if you continued losing your natural hair. If it works for 3 cycles in mice why would it only work for one cycle in humans? If it works in humans then it will work for the same number of cycles that it works in mice. Tsuji already got it up to 3 cycles at 80%. If they simply give you 125% to begin with then after 3 cycles, or 15 years, you're at 100% of natural density.

 

[froggy7]

All they said was if top-ups are required it will be free. I would assume that the only way you would need top-ups is if you continued losing your natural hair. If it works for 3 cycles in mice why would it only work for one cycle in humans? If it works in humans then it will work for the same number of cycles that it works in mice. Tsuji already got it up to 3 cycles at 80%. If they simply give you 125% to begin with then after 3 cycles, or 15 years, you're at 100% of natural density.

that is, these new hairs will stay for the rest of their lives? let's say 50 years?

 

[Super Metroid]

All they said was if top-ups are required it will be free. I would assume that the only way you would need top-ups is if you continued losing your natural hair. If it works for 3 cycles in mice why would it only work for one cycle in humans? If it works in humans then it will work for the same number of cycles that it works in mice. Tsuji already got it up to 3 cycles at 80%. If they simply give you 125% to begin with then after 3 cycles, or 15 years, you're at 100% of natural density.

Hopefully Stemson delivers before we get rejuvenation therapies that obligates them to service us into eternity!

 

[DominoEffect]

Just watched this informative video by veritasium and it confirmed what we have always suspected but thought it too radical to not be true. At least, I didn’t believe it

Planned obsolescence is a real thing, just wow.

A cure to baldness would simply be not profitable. Hairloss is such a massive profitable industry, can you imagine what a cure would do to all that profit? End it in a heartbeat. People will just stop caring about hairloss and buying all hair products.

Maybe just maybe some small researcher somewhere does come up with a cure but even they might not be able to bring it to market and probably get crushed.

The best we can and will keep getting is a pill like finasteride or minoxidil that you’ve to take for the rest of your life.

So yeah, whoever was hoping for some miracle cure, it’s not happening.

Planned obsolescence is the calculated act of making sure the existing version of a product will become dated or useless within a given time frame. In technology circles, the replacement cycle for smartphones has historically been two to three years, as their underlying components wear down.


that's the definition.

I think Big Pharma/ Industry suppression is a better term really. Unless a more clinical one exists.

 

[DominoEffect]

The big pharma isn't interested and these small companies just aren't equipped to actually make a breakthrough or bring a cure to the market. The fate of just about all these companies is bankruptcy.

Take the example of covid, a vaccine was ready in MONTHS and experimental new technology at that. That's light speed in medical world since bringing new drugs to the market takes years to a decade.

I have no doubt that if those big pharma showed the same interest in baldness cure as they did for beating the covid, we would have a cure already. It's just not profitable to have a cure for baldness,

"06-Apr-2022 — In total, Merck booked an estimated $5.2 billion in sales of Propecia"

That's billions down the drain because nobody would take finasteride if they could just get a one time cure.

So you're saying if baldness did have a cure then you wouldn't need customers all the time. It would be a one and done. And then no money would be made. Crisis = opportunity,

 

[Mr. Slap Head]

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