Why there will NEVER be a cure for baldness

[coolio]

Lately the medical world has stopped pretending that crappy western diets aren't worsening acne. Took them long enough.

I would be shocked if it wasn't also worsening hair loss. Both issues are fueled by androgenic activity & inflammation in the skin. This is staring us in the face.

My suspicion is that eating a bad diet during puberty & teens has a disproportionate effect on the degree of hair loss much later. Like the way Finasteride pays off better if you start using it during the early stages of hair loss.

 

[Hairful]

Number of good Norwood#7 results I have seen from clinics in the last 20 years: A few dozen.

Number of people who have won over $1 million dollars buying a lottery ticket in the last 20 years: Tens of thousands.

Depends on your expectations

If you’re expecting juvenile hairline and density or to fool the obsessed fellow baldies suffering from hairloss…tough luck. You won’t get that even if you’re nw2

If you want to have coverage and not look like a shiny baldie then there are plenty of good results.

This forum is generally full of neurotic people, everyday you can easily find one new person here who to an average person will seem like having a full head of hair but to him finasteride doesn’t work, minoxidil doesn’t work, must try RU, and experimentals to move the hairline down to his nose.

 

[Modill]

Depends on your expectations

If you’re expecting juvenile hairline and density or to fool the obsessed fellow baldies suffering from hairloss…tough luck. You won’t get that even if you’re nw2

If you want to have coverage and not look like a shiny baldie then there are plenty of good results.

This forum is generally full of neurotic people, everyday you can easily find one new person here who to an average person will seem like having a full head of hair but to him finasteride doesn’t work, minoxidil doesn’t work, must try RU, and experimentals to move the hairline down to his nose.

Finasteride is not a solution. Well, it could be a solution if you want to be castrated

 

[mminh]

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[coolio]

Your height is 100% genetic, right?

Except that North & South Korea have basically an identical gene pool but the Northerners are several inches shorter on average. The nutrition difference is that big.


A good diet definitely won't get rid of your genetic baldness problem. But it's reasonable to think a really bad diet might worsen it a little.


(No, I DID NOT claim that improving your diet today will produce any visible hair gains.)

 

[pegasus2]

Your height is 100% genetic, right?

Except that North & South Korea have basically an identical gene pool but the Northerners are several inches shorter on average. The nutrition difference is that big.


A good diet definitely won't get rid of your genetic baldness problem. But it's reasonable to think a really bad diet might worsen it a little.


(No, I DID NOT claim that improving your diet today will produce any visible hair gains.)

Height is considered about 80% genetic, same as hair loss. We all know how much taller Western nations have gotten over time with better nutirition, yet people think it's impossible that people are balding earlier.

 

[Hairful]

Ok I know I need to shut up if I don't get any results to back me up. Good day to you, bro.

Sorry I was just having a bad day and went off the rails on you lmao. Felt bad afterwards, my apologies bro

I really hope you’re taking finasteride if you’re balding. It’s a lot harder to regrow hair than to maintain them. I know you’re going to fail with what you’re trying but whatever makes you happy man

 

[Hairful]

Your height is 100% genetic, right?

Except that North & South Korea have basically an identical gene pool but the Northerners are several inches shorter on average. The nutrition difference is that big.


A good diet definitely won't get rid of your genetic baldness problem. But it's reasonable to think a really bad diet might worsen it a little.


(No, I DID NOT claim that improving your diet today will produce any visible hair gains.)

Two different things though. Apples to oranges comparison

With hairs, “some” of the fully grown healthy hair start miniaturising. With bones, there is lack of nutrients to reach full potential because bones require a lot more nutrients but hairs don’t fall out cause of lack of nutrients.

Also Caucasian men are a lot taller while Asians are on the shorter sides. When those Asians go live in west they don’t start producing taller children if they marry within their communities but when intermixing with white people occurs that’s when taller children are produced. Genetics 101

 

[pegasus2]

Two different things though. Apples to oranges comparison

With hairs, “some” of the fully grown healthy hair start miniaturising. With bones, there is lack of nutrients to reach full potential because bones require a lot more nutrients but hairs don’t fall out cause of lack of nutrients.

Also Caucasian men are a lot taller while Asians are on the shorter sides. When those Asians go live in west they don’t start producing taller children if they marry within their communities but when intermixing with white people occurs that’s when taller children are produced. Genetics 101

Who said anything about caucasians? South Koreans and North Koreans are genetically the same, so why is one taller than the other? It's not genetics. Their kids actually do get taller when they come to the West.

Research has established that the two major etiological factors for Androgenetic Alopecia are genetic predisposition and hormonal status (Hamilton, 1942, 1951). The heritability of Androgenetic Alopecia is high, and has been estimated to be ∼80% in two independent twin studies

Androgenetic Alopecia: Identification of Four Genetic Risk Loci and Evidence for the Contribution of WNT Signaling to Its Etiology

The pathogenesis of androgenetic alopecia (Androgenetic Alopecia, male-pattern baldness) is driven by androgens, and genetic predisposition is the major prerequisite. C…

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[Feramon1]

@mminh Actually I don't think it's 100% genetic. It's estimated around 80% genetic in multiple studies. I think that men are going bald earlier all over the world, but there isn't any great evidence to support that opinion. Anecdotaly this seems to be happening in my country as well.

Unfortunately due to how long it takes hair to respond to changes, how slowly it grows, how hard it is to accurately notice a difference without proper equipment, and the lack of any control, I don't think you will have much luck finding a link, much less a testable hypothesis. Smoking has a small effect in twin studies, but alcohol does not. I would imagine that increased steroid use contributes, though probably not in the third world. High speed and free internet pornography has an effect imo as well. Stress is another factor. Even if you find all environmental factors and eliminate them you won't reverse your hair loss, you'll only slow it down.

I guess we need to look at balding people who have gone into a long-term coma. This could provide some answers about the impact of stress and sex/masturbation.

@Mighty I appreciate that you worry about my health. You are sensible and most likely right. But I won't give up without a fight.

@Feramon1 @pegasus2 : You are correct. It's very difficult, and even more difficult for me due to some personal reason. I've failed for years. This time I have high hope. This is the first time in years I get consistent normal shedding (more than a week now), my scalp is less greasy, less dandruff, and less itchy. Let's see if in 3 months I can regrowth some hair or not.

That's right, surrender is the lot of the weak, but it doesn't hurt to be more careful.

 

[Hairful]

I guess we need to look at balding people who have gone into a long-term coma. This could provide some answers about the impact of stress and sex/masturbation.

I suppose hairloss will progress normally or even at an accelerated rate. Comatose patients are like those with vasectomies, they stop releasing the sperm and eventually the body starts absorbing it with macrophages etc. But the hormone levels remain high.

Early and late long-term effects of vasectomy on serum testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone levels - PubMed

Our results indirectly support the hypothesis that there is an elevated risk of prostate cancer among men who underwent vasectomy 20 or more years previously.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

If comatose patients have wet dreams ie release sperm then it could be they behave like normal people.

Most people going to coma have stress hairloss though.

 

[losingbattle88]

I suppose hairloss will progress normally or even at an accelerated rate. Comatose patients are like those with vasectomies, they stop releasing the sperm and eventually the body starts absorbing it with macrophages etc. But the hormone levels remain high.

Early and late long-term effects of vasectomy on serum testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone levels - PubMed

Our results indirectly support the hypothesis that there is an elevated risk of prostate cancer among men who underwent vasectomy 20 or more years previously.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

If comatose patients have wet dreams ie release sperm then it could be they behave like normal people.

Most people going to coma have stress hairloss though.

But ejaculation increases prolactin. This is the main culprit.

 

[Hairful]

But ejaculation increases prolactin. This is the main culprit.

I don’t think it’s the cause really. The increase is momentarily and then returns to baseline.

 

[losingbattle88]

I don’t think it’s the cause really. The increase is momentarily and then returns to baseline.

Yes but I dont see any other reason to why ppl reverse hairloss from nofap.

 

[pegasus2]

I don’t think it’s the cause really. The increase is momentarily and then returns to baseline.

Depends on the study. One study shows a sustained increase for sexual stimulation without ejaculation, but I think that was a longer study than the one that showed prolactin increased after ejaculation. Maybe it increases after a certain amount of time regardless of ejaculation

Yes but I dont see any other reason to why ppl reverse hairloss from nofap.

DHT, Prl, and Dopamine all promote catagen. Dopamine might actually be the main culprit in fapping.

 

[losingbattle88]

Depends on the study. One study shows a sustained increase for sexual stimulation without ejaculation, but I think that was a longer study than the one that showed prolactin increased after ejaculation. Maybe it increases after a certain amount of time regardless of ejaculation

DHT, Prl, and Dopamine all promote catagen. Dopamine might actually be the main culprit in fapping.

Makes sense. Im watching chaturbate daily to get dopamine rush. I need to stop this addiction.

 

[Feramon1]

I suppose hairloss will progress normally or even at an accelerated rate. Comatose patients are like those with vasectomies, they stop releasing the sperm and eventually the body starts absorbing it with macrophages etc. But the hormone levels remain high.

Early and late long-term effects of vasectomy on serum testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone levels - PubMed

Our results indirectly support the hypothesis that there is an elevated risk of prostate cancer among men who underwent vasectomy 20 or more years previously.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

If comatose patients have wet dreams ie release sperm then it could be they behave like normal people.

Most people going to coma have stress hairloss though.

I could not find where the level of hormones in comatose patients would be determined. In fact, this is strange, since the central nervous system is depressed in this state, disrupting the activity of organs, or rather even reducing it. Depending on the stage, the patient stops responding to external stimuli, including pain. I also did not find anything about wet dream and the work of the adrenal glands. I think the comparison with vasectomy and abstinence may be misleading, although it is the place to be.

 

[Feramon1]

Yes but I dont see any other reason to why ppl reverse hairloss from nofap.

I suppose that in this case the nervous system and adrenal glands play a big role. With a sudden release of dopamine, it then drops sharply, such fluctuations lead to a stressful state, and as far as I can tell, this occurs after the effect of oxytocin has decreased. The adrenal glands produce adrenaline, noradrenaline (vasoconstriction) and cortisol.

People who are addicted to masturbation are not infrequently depressed, suffer from social phobia, irritability, etc. Apparently, the dopamine system suffers greatly with such a "hobby". Perhaps it makes sense to increase serotonin, for example, try antidepressants or add glycine.

 

[Hairful]

I could not find where the level of hormones in comatose patients would be determined. In fact, this is strange, since the central nervous system is depressed in this state, disrupting the activity of organs, or rather even reducing it. Depending on the stage, the patient stops responding to external stimuli, including pain. I also did not find anything about wet dream and the work of the adrenal glands. I think the comparison with vasectomy and abstinence may be misleading, although it is the place to be.

It is just my supposition.

I forgot about the CNS depression yeah in that case the sex hormone levels probably would be too low.

 

[mminh]

Sorry I was just having a bad day and went off the rails on you lmao. Felt bad afterwards, my apologies bro

I really hope you’re taking finasteride if you’re balding. It’s a lot harder to regrow hair than to maintain them. I know you’re going to fail with what you’re trying but whatever makes you happy man

No problem bro, I understand what you are trying to say